6 months and the cracks are starting to show for me

[Moroder]

Well it been a little under 6 months and the wrinkles are starting to show in my beloved game. I really (REALLY) miss the feel of an open world. I do understand that planets like tatooine etc are open but it still feels linear. The environments are too static (or maybe I have been playing too much skyrim lol). I also do not like the system performance of the game. Now I realise that my rig would be considered old (3 years ish) but I do think it could be better optimised. Loading take foreeever! Also my server feels ...dead i guess. I know its not as it is one the few pvp rp servers out there. It’s just that people don’t seem to talk to one another.

 

I really don’t want to go back to “a certain MMO”. I do miss certain aspects of it though. Is there anyone on the same fence as me?

[rawfox]

well bro ... sadface

i was in the hope of settling here for the next years.

glad the subscription button works like a switch, i can come back whenever i feel for it.

 

im in Kingsmouth tommoz ..

[mjackman]

Well it been a little under 6 months and the wrinkles are starting to show in my beloved game. I really (REALLY) miss the feel of an open world. I do understand that planets like tatooine etc are open but it still feels linear. The environments are too static (or maybe I have been playing too much skyrim lol). I also do not like the system performance of the game. Now I realise that my rig would be considered old (3 years ish) but I do think it could be better optimised. Loading take foreeever! Also my server feels ...dead i guess. I know its not as it is one the few pvp rp servers out there. It’s just that people don’t seem to talk to one another.

 

I really don’t want to go back to “a certain MMO”. I do miss certain aspects of it though. Is there anyone on the same fence as me?

 

Yep, exactly the same - as im sure many users do also. I went back to a 'certain mmo' myself this week and its been great tbh....theres a vibrant community, things to purchase on the auction, people actually buy the stuff you sell (because there are...people) and theres healthy conversation. Easy to get a PVE group, easy to get a PVP group.... SWTOR to me is a great game, but im not willing to continue paying money for something which feels like a single player game, for me there just isnt enough people to make it a fun and enjoyable experience. Ill stop playing when my gametime runs out and maybe will check back in a few months to see if BW have implemented any decent changes. Leveling to 50 has been a very solitary experience and whilst i appreciate this is a new game, If im paying for it i expect to be able to get into a pve group without a rediculous wait time. People like to blame WoW fans for all of SWTOR's shortcomings ....i dont get that.

[Hajizan]

well bro ... sadface

i was in the hope of settling here for the next years.

glad the subscription button works like a switch, i can come back whenever i feel for it.

 

im in Kingsmouth tommoz ..

 

Just make sure you also change your cc information or you will still be billed.

[Moroder]

Thing is I love the game I really do. Just important aspects are missing for me. Chat bubbles are also a big thing for me I need them to RP. I don't want to go but I know that the community aspect on this game is driving a wedge here for me.

[Slipfeed]

I got Tera today. I feel really bad. I left this game a while ago, but I still check the forums hoping someone pulled a miracle out of their behind.

 

This game actually almost had me convinced my rig was outdated. Until I got to the island newb zone in Tera....

 

Holy great raptor bejeezus. Loads of people doing loads of things on screen, vision to china and back, and never a hitch with a load time you barely notice.

 

I feel bad because this is what I wanted SWTOR to be. I don't know who made the engine decision for this game, but that should be the first head that rolls. The head of the person that decided to alienate a huge portion of there player base at a critical moment (patch 1.2) by adding over reactive nerfs, non retroactive features, and over priced under budgeted legacy rewards should be close behind it.

 

I looked at my account page when I logged in today and I saw something very surprising. I wont say what, because I don't want to be ungrateful, but seriously bioware, I uninstalled a month ago.

 

I also got an email saying that Qyzen Fess missed the adventure!! I have to say it almost guilted me into re-installing for a while.

 

Till I remembered that I had deleted my 50 sage on the way out.

 

That's how pissed I was about what I see as the "total incompetence package" this game ended up being.

 

I wanted to love it. So bad. The first KOTR made me freaking cry, it was so great. I was so hyped that this, the greatest iteration of the star wars universe was going to get some screen time.

 

I wish I knew what happened to this game. Was it Ego's? Was it corporate? Was the dev team just not up to the task?

 

I know the current management team isn't up to the task.

 

"Hey, 1/3 of our player base is dedicated to sorc / sage" " I KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO!!!!! LETS NERF THE EVER LOVING CRAP OUT OF THEM ALL IN ONE PATCH!!!"

 

Ya, that was a brilliant idea. In a long list of brilliant idea's.

 

I thought this game was going to be the second coming. The last game I'd ever have to buy. I was that stoked even three months after launch. It's easy to believe when you want to believe.

 

But eventually (especially after a kick in the nuts) you wake up and realize the game just isn't a competitive product.

Edited May 17, 2012 by Slipfeed

[TRDK]

I'm on a very small server, avg of 55 people on at a time, but the people in it still like to talk and group up. I account all bad things in this game to server population / the people in it.

[spellegren]

Just make sure you also change your cc information or you will still be billed.

 

Thanks for the tip, canceled a few days ago but just went and deleted all billing info as a backup.

[Klisch]

So youve returned to WOW and it doesnt seem like a much inferior MMO now? I cant imagine going back to a grind game, when I have enjoyed engaging story, dialogue options and companion characters. I figured returning to wow would open the eyes of doubters....but no such joy...

 

Just curious, would the open world thing apply if SWTOR didnt have to load all the time?

[Moroder]

Also as a foot note in regards to the optimization. I logged back into AoC to see if my machine was outdated enough not to run it. Not a hitch in firing it back up.

[Moroder]

 

Just curious, would the open world thing apply if SWTOR didnt have to load all the time?

 

 

Yes completely yes. The load times have been one of the main deal breakers. I have not returned yet to wow. But i am on the fence

[dazednconfuzed]

Just curious, would the open world thing apply if SWTOR didnt have to load all the time?

 

Yeah, probably. I find the loading screens a minor irritant, but the planets themselves do not feel open in any way, shape or form.

[WarSiren]

I'm pretty much in the same boat OP.

 

I love the concept of this game and I fought tooth and nails with my friends about this game. But.. I'm having a hard time justifying this game anymore, between an anti-social community, long PvE wait times, long PvP wait times (my server is about dead now.) Extremely easy end game PvE, and for some reason I just can not put my finger on it, the end game grind feels more grindy and more unfun than WoW... which I don't get because it's basically the same, but it feels like more of a burden to do here.

 

So my Sub is up in August if BW doesn't turn this game around make it feel more open and alive, I will have to regrettably cancel my sub as well, which like I said saddens me because I love Star Wars. But the game as is, and the Community as is.. just is not worth it anymore for me.

 

So Friday I will also be in Kingsmouth.

[Moroder]

The one thing I will miss if I do decide to depart is the great storyline. That was a stroke of genius

[Klisch]

Im not on the fence, and I will play till the bitter end (im just hoping thats years off yet!).

 

I at first agreed with those that said the worlds feel lifeless, but now my opinion has changed. The worlds are detailed and life like in the amount going on, people talking, air traffic, soldier types patrolling etc but each world is empty player wise...

 

How about larger servers with more phases, allowing planets like Taatooine and Hoth to fill up a little....

OK so it might be annoying trying to switch phases to join friends or guildies, but the pay off would be higher population in other areas other than fleet (one of the smallest locations in the game, yet with highest player density).

[gwath_rommelo]

The one thing I will miss if I do decide to depart is the great storyline. That was a stroke of genius

 

Nice feature in the game, but I found myself in the end just space barring to get to the end. But this game does seem to have some kinda of anti social stigma with it. I don't know why but the community at least on my server seems to be going more towards a solo route than building a community. Oh well I am done in June and then it is off to greener pastures!

[syntxerr]

I can certainly understand it. I feel pretty much the same and I have been missing the classic MMO feel, a living, open world, which you can explore and travel for a long time now.

 

All of the story, all the progression over so many planets, all nice and fine. But something needs to happen if they want things to change anytime soon. I have more fun exploring Northrend than I had all of the SWTOR planets together and that's quite sad. And I also had much more fun on that continent during endgame than standing on the fleet waiting for something.

 

Some form of cataclysm needs to happen. The fleets need to go. A new planet has to come, which is visually appealing and huge. Which is worthwhile to discover. Which offers two 'cities' or outposts at least, not counting smaller quest outposts. For both factions. There need to be daily quests on that planet, there needs to be reason to travel and explore and incentive to freely PVP there against each other. The outposts need to be attackable by the enemy faction, they need to have all the convenience the fleet has, the planet itself needs also nice, beautiful quiet RP spots.

 

I think if they'd give us that, people would start having a bit more fun and MMO feel again.

 

So basically what am I asking? Change the whole game? Hell, no. But go back to the drawing board, evaluate what people liked about certain other games and implement it. Don't change the leveling experience anymore. That's impossible. Leave things as they are. Create a new planet emulating a successful WoW continent. Freely explorable, with different zones, with cities, with PVP, with quests. Give us a place to hang out at endgame and be able to socialise with others. Be this through RP, just roaming around the city while waiting for a dungeon queue to pop up or to go out and roam for solo PVP. But please make it an immersive world, make it actually feel like an MMO. I have so enough of logging onto the fleet and just remaining there for 6 hours in between doing my grind.

 

Even if I had incentive to go to some other planet, which I don't, it would be terribly annoying because of two loading screens and 5 blackouts due to elevators on the way there. So yes, I am asking to mount up all your resources and design one huge, non linear and pretty world which contains most of the non-instanced endgame content and incentives spontaneous PVP and RP, while offering what the fleet offers now. Just transfer us to that planet at endgame. Oh, and forget redoing Ilum, make the Empire blast that planet into oblivion and introduce some kind of Winterspring inspired PVP on the planet I just described above. Everything in one huge place. Make people populate it, let them have fun doing something else than spamming AOE heals and damage abilities in front of a PVP terminal.

 

Something like the above would really make me so much more happy with this game.

 

Do I have hope? No. I really don't. Especially because the Devs seem both deaf and mute. There are so many pressing issues currently and the Dev Tracker seems like a graveyard. We don't even get some outlook on how they intend to tackle those issues and how they want to improve things in the future. But we'll certainly get another phase of legacy, alright. And then there are interviews, where we hear Devs voicing how everything is rosy and goes as intended and that doesn't give me the impression as if they know what is wrong with this game.

 

Another issue is certainly, that even if they'd want to do something like the above, they'd probably run into technical limitations (i.e. the engine is garbage). Look at what happened in Ilum, and by the above description what I am suggesting would not only be many times larger than Ilum, it would also host many more players at once than those 100 and something Ilum ever did. Another good example is the fleet during peak times. 30 people on the screen and things go super south. Despite the fact that it is merely a closed room with a few textures there. Unbelievable.

 

As far as TERA goes. I don't know. I've seen a couple of videos and there are things that really want me to try that game. Especially the large, open world. I'm not sure yet, don't really like the Korean style that much.

Edited May 17, 2012 by syntxerr

[BlueFromMoon]

Well, most of us are waiting Elder Scroll Online, you can expect Skyrim basically.

[Blackardin]

Well it been a little under 6 months and the wrinkles are starting to show in my beloved game. I really (REALLY) miss the feel of an open world. I do understand that planets like tatooine etc are open but it still feels linear.

 

YOu are at once stating that the world is open, but that you don't feel that to be correct? I'm thinking that you are reading these boards too much. Go play the game and stop worrying about a planet that has no bearing on end game play at all.

The environments are too static (or maybe I have been playing too much skyrim lol). I also do not like the system performance of the game. Now I realise that my rig would be considered old (3 years ish) but I do think it could be better optimised. Loading take foreeever! Also my server feels ...dead i guess. I know its not as it is one the few pvp rp servers out there.

 

Would you not agree that all environments on all MMORPGs are static. If you go back to wow you will see that. Right? Go into Silvermoon. Those guys are still shooting that same target, and there are no players there. Nothing has changed in goldshire for the last 7 years. The two guys on the corner are still talking to each other, and the chicken still runs two feet back and forth.

 

It’s just that people don’t seem to talk to one another.

 

Once again I believe that you are being drawn in by the many fallacies promulgated on this board. Think for a second here. How often did you talk to people in Wow? Are we talking, Chuck Norris jokes in general?

 

I was there 7 years and barely ever had a conversation with anyone except to form a group. In fact, even that was gone once the cross server LFG came into play. There is no reason to talk to anyone in Wow. I don't think that I spoke to someone outside of my guild in the last three years. if anything, I've spoke to more people here then there.

 

 

I really don’t want to go back to “a certain MMO”. I do miss certain aspects of it though. Is there anyone on the same fence as me?

 

Honestly, I do believe that you have let this place cloud your vision. You know that fence? Yeah, the grass is always greener on the other side. Go back to wow, play it for a while. Look at it through the same glasses that you are here.....and when you come back, don't ever come to these boards again. They are not a healthy place to hang around. ;p

[Klisch]

Well, most of us are waiting Elder Scroll Online, you can expect Skyrim basically.

 

Expect more of the same, players rushing to the end of the game only to complain its the end of the game. Player base drops people pick a new title to geek about. Rinse and repeat?

[Klisch]

Blackardin, youve saved me from a day of getting annoyed at the forums, and back into the game I love. Thank you.

[Blackardin]

I can certainly understand it. I feel pretty much the same and I have been missing the classic MMO feel, a living, open world, which you can explore and travel for a long time now.

 

All of the story, all the progression over so many planets, all nice and fine. But something needs to happen if they want things to change anytime soon. I have more fun exploring Northrend than I had all of the SWTOR planets together and that's quite sad. And I also had much more fun on that continent during endgame than standing on the fleet waiting for something.

 

I don't understand. What game has an "Open world with endless exploration?" I'm not even sure I know what you are talking about here. Where is this "classic living world", with endless exploration that I'm hearing about.....and what would you do on your second day after exploring the "open world" in its entirety? ;p

 

I'm thinking that its not the game folks, but the player base. Northrend was more fun because the genre was new, it was the first time. No MMORPG, no matter what they put in it will every compare to that.

 

Its a game folks, not some mystical environment aimed at filling a void in one's life. You log on, get a group, play, log off. There is really nothing philosophical or mysterious going on here. No game will ever fill that and if you go in expecting such, you will be right back on their boards talking about everything that is not rather then enjoying everything there is.

[Darth_Alki]

I got Tera today. I feel really bad. I left this game a while ago, but I still check the forums hoping someone pulled a miracle out of their behind.

 

This game actually almost had me convinced my rig was outdated. Until I got to the island newb zone in Tera....

 

Holy great raptor bejeezus. Loads of people doing loads of things on screen, vision to china and back, and never a hitch with a load time you barely notice.

 

I feel bad because this is what I wanted SWTOR to be. I don't know who made the engine decision for this game, but that should be the first head that rolls. The head of the person that decided to alienate a huge portion of there player base at a critical moment (patch 1.2) by adding over reactive nerfs, non retroactive features, and over priced under budgeted legacy rewards should be close behind it.

 

I looked at my account page when I logged in today and I saw something very surprising. I wont say what, because I don't want to be ungrateful, but seriously bioware, I uninstalled a month ago.

 

I also got an email saying that Qyzen Fess missed the adventure!! I have to say it almost guilted me into re-installing for a while.

 

Till I remembered that I had deleted my 50 sage on the way out.

 

That's how pissed I was about what I see as the "total incompetence package" this game ended up being.

 

I wanted to love it. So bad. The first KOTR made me freaking cry, it was so great. I was so hyped that this, the greatest iteration of the star wars universe was going to get some screen time.

 

I wish I knew what happened to this game. Was it Ego's? Was it corporate? Was the dev team just not up to the task?

 

I know the current management team isn't up to the task.

 

"Hey, 1/3 of our player base is dedicated to sorc / sage" " I KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO!!!!! LETS NERF THE EVER LOVING CRAP OUT OF THEM ALL IN ONE PATCH!!!"

 

Ya, that was a brilliant idea. In a long list of brilliant idea's.

 

I thought this game was going to be the second coming. The last game I'd ever have to buy. I was that stoked even three months after launch. It's easy to believe when you want to believe.

 

But eventually (especially after a kick in the nuts) you wake up and realize the game just isn't a competitive product.

 

I too went to Tera and noticed the same things you did. I play this game on a beast of a machine and even I got odd frames on the Fleet or in Warfronts. I'm sorry, but an OC'd i7 2700k with SLI GTX 580's should never ... NEVER ... get below 30 FPS in any game in today's MMO market. With SWTOR, it did just that. I go to Tera and holy mother of God, what a difference. We even took 50 members of our 100 man guild and put them all on the same screen for a screenshot and no slow down or nothing. We attempted this same thing in SWTOR and many were below 10 FPS.

 

It's sad but true. I'll miss SWTOR, but I'm not paying a monthly subscription for it. If it goes F2P, I'll play ... but there is no way in hell they will get another dime of my money unless it goes F2P.

[Blackardin]

Blackardin, youve saved me from a day of getting annoyed at the forums, and back into the game I love. Thank you.

 

Save yourself. I'll hold them off until you get out! LOL

Edited May 17, 2012 by Blackardin

[Zyriak]

Well when you play in a high pop server, SWTOR IS a great game. What pisses me off is the lack of communication. We don't know what dev are doing right now to solve our problems. We need updates, it feels as if they are doing nothing right now. We need dates, deadlines something to wait for. Right now the game is broken except some high pop servers.

 

I think that BW realised that they made a mistake by announcing dates such as the release of RWZ but say something. We need information. When do cross servers, migrations, multiple spec and RWZ which were supposed to be ready for a while?

People are becoming impatient and many started to leave, i don't know what you and the devs are waiting for ... I suppose that you were working on these tools for a while. APAC works why does it take so long for transfers to arrive? I do understand that you have to make tests and solve the bugs but come on people won't wait for years.