1.2 Came Too Soon

[Pawnbroker]

BioWare,

 

You guys have been tossing around all these fancy ideas for things that will be in the game “in the future.” You seemingly gave the impression that many features would actually be included in patch 1.2 and built up the hype to a make or break level for subscribers. You inadvertently encouraged the remaining player base to make a decision with the release of 1.2 to either continue to play or cancel their subscription until the game is worth investing real time with a community of players.

 

Here is a list of things that a large population of people thought was coming with 1.2 and it wasn’t there:

 

1. Ranked warzones

2. 8-man warzone group queues

3. Choosing which warzone you wanted to queue for

4. Medium and Heavy social gear

5. Pulling set bonuses attached to armoring mods

6. “Useful” legacy equipment for alt characters (the non-moddable token items are near worthless)

7. Useful crafting schematics (i.e. I craft something that someone actually wants to buy from me at level 50 that is an upgrade)

8. A reason for being in a guild. (The bank is great but there is no need for it without the need for crafting at end game)

9. A ton of legacy unlocks that you told us we could do that aren’t coming until 1.3. In fact, 90% of the legacy unlocks I was looking forward too are still not useable until 1.3. I really wanted the use of speeders at level 10 and the choice of increased XP through space missions/pvp/or pve by my choosing. All I feel like having right now is some race/class combinations and a mailbox on my ship. The rest is kind of useless based on everything else I wish I was doing at end game.

 

Because these things did not come with 1.2 many of my best friends and guild mates are done with SW:TOR. These are the people that actually had the highest level of dedication and held strong until 1.2. We have been following this game since the first day that this website launched in 2008 and waited patiently for each Friday update lifting our spirits to bring back the fun MMO community we missed from SWG.

 

I’m not saying you should abandon all you’ve done and go 100% sandbox. I’m not saying that story isn’t fun for a while. But what I really need to get off my chest is that you guys ****ed up. BioWare is phenomenal at making single player games. You guys made 8 single player games in one box. You continue to build great single player content but you forget that your game is an MMO. MMOs are about community. That doesn’t mean you tell us it takes 4 or 8 people to do single player content. That means that crafting, open world pvp, player ships and the planets themselves should have functional and supportive content to get people playing together. You recently mentioned having speeder racing, 3D space combat, guild capitol ships and better open pvp. I find it sad that you are only exploring this avenue because we hounded you for it. These are BASIC FOUNDATIONS for any long running MMO. You have successfully catered to a niche in your market that loves your single player games. You have immersed Star Wars fans in a believable universe. However, at the end of the day I don’t remember Darth Vader running in circles on a spacedock with nothing to do in between huttball matches against Han Solo. I don’t remember the part in the movies where Princess Leia told me to kill 10 droids instead of fight the Empire in open space/ground combat. I don’t see the point of level 50 in this game for pvp fans. There are people who only PvE, people who only PvP and people who do both. For the people who only pvp and the people who do both this game seems empty.

 

1.2 built our hopes and fed them to the Sarlacc to be digested until you guys realize how to build a well rounded MMO. Warzones should not be the soul focus of pvp. I have personally taken over Republic star ports on various planets with my guild hoping to get the Republic to respond in like-minded force to try and secure it because that’s the only open pvp we have. Nobody wants to fight over an empty piece of sand owned by tuskan raiders on Tatooine. There is no reason for being there. If we want to pvp we’ll do it in someone’s base or around the Sarlacc pit or somewhere that its actually fun where we can develop make-believe objectives such as escorting an enemy prisoner to some ship in the game or king of the hill or “capturing” an enemy starport and keeping them from using it until they get an army to drive us out.

 

Every other MMO that claimed to care about open pvp actually puts objectives out in the open world like castles and gives players a reason to take them over and try and hold them and then fight over them. This game should have structures that I can attack/defend with space ships and AT-AT type vehicles and ion cannons/turrets and all the things that made the Wars in Star Wars cool in the movies. The movies were a story built around pvp in concept. Only they were not playing, they were risking their lives for control over the galaxy. I don’t feel like this game lives up to the label of “MMO” or puts the War in Star Wars. So far its Star Story with Huttball and I’m deeply saddened.

 

I will be keeping my eye on this game and waiting as patiently as I have to for BioWare to understand how to make an MMO and when they finally get ready for “launch” I’ll be there. Nothing will replace a Star Wars MMO for me. Anything else I play while I wait are fillers because they aren’t Star Wars. You guys have access to the most important IP on the planet, make us proud.

Edited April 14, 2012 by Pawnbroker

[spne]

TOO SOON.

 

Sorry, had to do it.

 

And i don't agree. I love 1.2.

 

Bye.

[DieAlteHexe]

TOO SOON.

 

Sorry, had to do it.

 

And i don't agree. I love 1.2.

 

Bye.

 

Gotta agree with this. I'm pretty happy with 1.2.

 

Even though it finally forced me to get a grip on my alt-itis. Probably not a bad thing.

[unseenmaji]

What do you expect EA is involved lol, the worst company in the world the company which gamers hate, some people wont even buy a game with EA on it even if the game was ok from another company. The fact is this the game is dieing they offering 30 days free because they know people quiting and hoping people think oh free time ill hang around. But honestly alot us cant even be bothered trying the 1.2 with all the complaints about it why waste the bandwidth downloading it. I personally im done with the game and hope others boycotte as a testement that releasing rushed games for quick money is not acceptable to the gaming community. Let hope GW2 is as good it looks and diablo 3 holds us for abit too.

[ZORG]

....... Edited April 14, 2012 by ZORG

[Pawnbroker]

Gotta agree with this. I'm pretty happy with 1.2.

 

Even though it finally forced me to get a grip on my alt-itis. Probably not a bad thing.

 

You guys sound like the PvE fans I mentioned that like single player. Of course there is plenty for you guys. This post is about the lack of support for content that requires community interaction and pvp. I’d play any crappy content if my friends were willing to stick through it with me. However all of my friends got bored and quit because the pvp and community options didn’t really exist outside of warzones. Its about having friends to play with and all of mine got bored and left.

[WoodChipper]

Yeah 3 months after the last patch is too soon... NOT.

They shouldn't of promised more than they can handle in one patch.

I am sure they realize tthis and won't promise too much in the future patches.

[Wolfninjajedi]

Notice the keywords, seemingly, and thought. They never said all of those things were going to be in the 1.2 patch. Edited April 14, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi

[SNCommand]

What do you expect EA is involved lol, the worst company in the world the company which gamers hate, some people wont even buy a game with EA on it even if the game was ok from another company. The fact is this the game is dieing they offering 30 days free because they know people quiting and hoping people think oh free time ill hang around. But honestly alot us cant even be bothered trying the 1.2 with all the complaints about it why waste the bandwidth downloading it. I personally im done with the game and hope others boycotte as a testement that releasing rushed games for quick money is not acceptable to the gaming community. Let hope GW2 is as good it looks and diablo 3 holds us for abit too.

 

EA has noted your opinion and sent in the hunter killer droids

[Pawnbroker]

Well I dont nessesarily dispute your gripes but when you claim many players are upset or MOST players wanted this or that feature. Wheres you PEW Research Data? Did you use Gallup to pole people about these issues?

 

Just be honest and say you and you friends or go even as far as saying your guild are unhappy but dont claim you represent a large portion of the playerbase without data to back it up...

 

I have watched 30 guilds that account for a huge population of the Jung-Ma server give up and quit one by one. No, I don’t have data, but thousands of people are large enough. This is in general discussion because I have an opinion and I’m going to give my feedback to BioWare. If you are happy with what you have then I’m happy for you but I don’t share the satisfaction with the state of the game.

[Rogobono]

What do you expect EA is involved lol, the worst company in the world the company which gamers hate, some people wont even buy a game with EA on it even if the game was ok from another company. The fact is this the game is dieing they offering 30 days free because they know people quiting and hoping people think oh free time ill hang around. But honestly alot us cant even be bothered trying the 1.2 with all the complaints about it why waste the bandwidth downloading it. I personally im done with the game and hope others boycotte as a testement that releasing rushed games for quick money is not acceptable to the gaming community. Let hope GW2 is as good it looks and diablo 3 holds us for abit too.

 

Totally agreed. I had seen Bioware and was blind to the EA. Will not be making that mistake again, EVER.

[MysticTrunks]

Well, since I didn't assume what they had planned to include and actually READ what was coming, it's exactly what i had thought minus only the Ranked PvP. Which if it wasn't ready I'm glad they pulled instead of putting it unfinished and able to be exploited or not work properly.

 

Had they put something in half assed, people would be complaining now that "OH, Biofail should have waited!" "Why'd Biofail rush this?!" and "RAGE QUIT BLAH BLAH BLAH"

 

If you and your friends expected more because you thought it should seem that you wanted more, that's your problem, not theirs.

 

If your friends are leaving and you aren't having fun. Stop giving them your money and go away.

[farfulnugen]

I don't think you can say everyone in the game was looking for these things. Many people are happy with what they got...many aren't.

 

I think what they did wrong, especially with pvp changes, is they put too much in 1 patch. I think it would have been better to add/change some stuff, put it in game...see what it's like...add/adjust some more....wait a bit...etc.

 

But instead, they put it all in at once (except many of the features u described although I'm not sure they said all of it was goign in as you say).....and it's tough to see why things are unbalanced etc.

 

It was poorly implemented.

[Sinfony]

TOO SOON.

 

Sorry, had to do it.

 

And i don't agree. I love 1.2.

 

Bye.

 

You may like 1.2, but a lot of others do not.

[unseenmaji]

I have watched 30 guilds that account for a huge population of the Jung-Ma server give up and quit one by one. No, I don’t have data, but thousands of people are large enough. This is in general discussion because I have an opinion and I’m going to give my feedback to BioWare. If you are happy with what you have then I’m happy for you but I don’t share the satisfaction with the state of the game.

 

some people could be happy with a turd painted gold, you have the people whom are yesmen and fanbois which enter into denial until they realise something i wrong, more and more whom were first defending the game now are speaking out against it. They dont understand about standards and treatment of people, EA sees us as numbers.

Edited April 14, 2012 by unseenmaji

[DieAlteHexe]

You guys sound like the PvE fans I mentioned that like single player. Of course there is plenty for you guys. This post is about the lack of support for content that requires community interaction and pvp. I’d play any crappy content if my friends were willing to stick through it with me. However all of my friends got bored and quit because the pvp and community options didn’t really exist outside of warzones. Its about having friends to play with and all of mine got bored and left.

 

I'm an MMO player. Have been since MUD days, so no. I am a PvE gamer though and this game is very good for that. It's different in that there's a whole lot more fun along the leveling than the whole "get to level cap" thing.

 

As for PvP, well, I'm sorry it didn't work out for you and I hope you do find something that does. Why not go where your friends went if that's the criterion for you?

[Pawnbroker]

If your friends are leaving and you aren't having fun. Stop giving them your money and go away.

 

I already did. But I'm hoping BioWare learns what MMO means and that one day I can come back and play a game that actually encourages people to play it together in large groups.

 

I would not claim to speak on behalf of a large number of people if I had not been keeping track. I have watched 30 guilds each with a member base over 100+ active members quit player by player until its now just 7 people from my guild that was active at launch with 150.

[Misthalin]

I agree with the OP.

 

Simple as that.

[Pawnbroker]

I'm an MMO player. Have been since MUD days, so no. I am a PvE gamer though and this game is very good for that. It's different in that there's a whole lot more fun along the leveling than the whole "get to level cap" thing.

 

As for PvP, well, I'm sorry it didn't work out for you and I hope you do find something that does. Why not go where your friends went if that's the criterion for you?

 

Because my friends play EVE and that is totally boring.

[WoodChipper]

You may like 1.2, but a lot of others do not.

 

Would you rather have 1.2 or 1.1.5?

[unseenmaji]

I already did. But I'm hoping BioWare learns what MMO means and that one day I can come back and play a game that actually encourages people to play it together in large groups.

 

I would not claim to speak on behalf of a large number of people if I had not been keeping track. I have watched 30 guilds each with a member base over 100+ active members quit player by player until its now just 7 people from my guild that was active at launch with 150.

 

The yesmen and fanbois would accept a pile of crap it the complainers whom are getting things done and even got them free time. They dont understand why complaints are benefitual to a game because it highlights the problems for devs to try fix but sadly the ship has taken to much water it going to sink.

[DieAlteHexe]

some people could be happy with a turd pained gold, you have the people whom are yesmen and fanbois which enter into denial until they realise something i wrong, more and more whom were first defending the game now are speaking out against it. They dont understand about standards and treatment of people, EA sees us as numbers.

 

Y'know, I'm getting a bit tired of this. Look, here's the thing...different strokes and all. I have lost track of how many games I've tried (MMOs and otherwise) and been disappointed in. It happens. But when I buy a game that ends up not being to my liking, I don't yowl about it being a "turd" and how the people that play it are "idiots" or whatever. I understand that not everyone has the same goals/tastes/likes.

 

And just because someone likes a game and gets tired of people hanging around to bash on it when they could just do the mature thing and move on, doesn't make them "fanbois" nor do those who rationally criticise a game instantly become "haters.

 

Sheesh.

[Pawnbroker]

Would you rather have 1.2 or 1.1.5?

 

I would rather have a clear message sent about what I should be hoping to see in an upcoming patch. At least 5 of the things in the list in the original post did not come with 1.2 and were supposed to. Everyone I know was going to quit before being promised the features of patch 1.2. Now that those features did not come with the patch they left.

[Lightmaguz]

The pvp system the medals the money and a lot more are ****ed up.

[unseenmaji]

Y'know, I'm getting a bit tired of this. Look, here's the thing...different strokes and all. I have lost track of how many games I've tried (MMOs and otherwise) and been disappointed in. It happens. But when I buy a game that ends up not being to my liking, I don't yowl about it being a "turd" and how the people that play it are "idiots" or whatever. I understand that not everyone has the same goals/tastes/likes.

 

And just because someone likes a game and gets tired of people hanging around to bash on it when they could just do the mature thing and move on, doesn't make them "fanbois" nor do those who rationally criticise a game instantly become "haters.

 

Sheesh.

 

Go play it then why you on forum defending it shouldnt you be playing it since it so good. Honestly it boring and crap it too instance based it terriably designed it had good storys abit but the side quests suck. There nothing keep people playing it needs a total redesign face it the Deathstar has it sights targeted on this game.

Edited April 14, 2012 by unseenmaji