Sweeet Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) It seems to be the only thing Bioware will listen to (teams of Operatives anyone... ), so even if you still want to play, just cancel your sub to send a message if you feel the PvP is appalling in 1.2 It's a joke now, just a complete joke. Even without a healer in 1.1, you had enough time to react and play tactically, but now without a dedicated healer you'll get ripped apart in seconds and it's just not fun any more, especially when losing now gives little to NO reward. That's right, NO reward. PvP has turned into a gib-fest Bioware, and if that wasn't bad enough I hardly get a thing for my troubles. But who cares...this will just get lost in the mountain of posts like it, and nothing will change for weeks... Time to stop PvP'ing for the foreseeable future. Edited April 14, 2012 by Sweeet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rizBRAH Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 games never felt better imo, fps have improved hugely and im enjoying pvp alot more with my sage since I have to react now instead of standing still nuking people with raidboss dps rotations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeet Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 That's not the issue, the issue is that PvP seems to be taking a step backwards. Healers have never been more important in PvP now that the time-to-kill has drastically been reduced, yet noone wants to play them because they've been nerfed to hell. I'm not saying the nerfs weren't justified, but I've most definitely seen a drop in healers playing WZ's since 1.2 But either way PvP has turned into a gib-fest with little to no reward. Yes I get into the odd few WZ's that even if we lose, it was a good close game. But when 90% are either us gibbing the other team because they didn't have a healer, or getting gibbed ourselves because we didn't have a healer, it's just not fun any more. There is no more tactical game-play, it's just who can gib the other team the quickest. PvP has become boring, and the issue is further exuberated by either the poor, or no reward you get now. It always amazes me when company's make game-breaking changes like these, does no-one seriously think these things through? And it's not a simple case of "you can't please everyone", it's pure lack of foresight on Bioware's part. No-one enjoys getting killed without having time to react, no-one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lashknife Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 My only problem with PvP is that the minute I poke my head out as my Commando, I get insta-gibbed for being a healer. But that's not anyone's fault; it's just a fact of playing a healer that I'm going to get focus fired and go down faster than a blonde on prom night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFDUVEZ Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Personally, I am giving it 1 week then it is cancelling time. Oh well, I liked this game. The one true cool thing about this patch: UI customization was well made. Rest, meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyHalo Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 games never felt better imo, fps have improved hugely and im enjoying pvp alot more with my sage since I have to react now instead of standing still nuking people with raidboss dps rotations Yeah game is better than ever. People just refuse to adapt, and even learn. If they don't have a specific guide to go by, they just whine. It's pretty sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlonwheels Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Yeah game is better than ever. People just refuse to adapt, and even learn. If they don't have a specific guide to go by, they just whine. It's pretty sad. agree 110% but hey whiners will be whiners news flash ppl adapt and evolve or get left behind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adzzy Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 games never felt better imo, fps have improved hugely and im enjoying pvp alot more with my sage since I have to react now instead of standing still nuking people with raidboss dps rotations I;m wondering if i'm playing the same game as you, people don't seem to last long enough to even use a rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawaiianlion Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 agree 110% but hey whiners will be whiners news flash ppl adapt and evolve or get left behind... Adapt to what? Charge choke smash hey im dead because i was also hit by some random aoe. Pvp is a gib fest and anyone that doesnt think so is playing against terrible players. 2 top pvp guilds on the server fought over mid at the start of the novare coast tonight, 6v6 and the fight lasted about 30 secs with 2 of us on my team left standing, me the merc healer and our mara. Tanks dropping in seconds, sage/sorc healers dying through guard like they werent even there. Yes im sure all is fine and dandy in pug wz land where no one focus fires, but in organized games its pretty retarded and a far cry from the tactical battles happening in high rated WSGs over in wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiriensoul Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) Healers ain't even needed lol, 2 full groups with DPS will eat everything, doesn't matter if the other faction has 1-3 healers, they will still eat it and die quick. Rather have 8 DPS than 6 DPS and 2 healers, anyday of the week. That's why i'm making a DPS instead of healing, i swear to GOD 2 groups with DPS... Lol, it's insain, and switch 1-2 dps with 1-2 tanks and you are golden. It's not the silly nerf's i'm talking about, i still heal very good with my sage. But something has changed with 1.2 that i'm no longer needed in wz's at all, infact some people don't like healers joining, they would rather have the extra DPS, and that's why i'm making one So yes, i am adapting. Edited April 14, 2012 by Tiriensoul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirorx Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) IMO less credits and experience for warzones win or lose, means PVE players have an easier time buying PVP gear. If i have to level another toon without the aid of warzones then I am done leveling toons. With no real in game and no desire to do every side quest again, I just dont have fun anymore. It not winning or losing, its low anyway. Thought we were getting some debuff for quitting not a quitters incentive. Edited April 14, 2012 by kirorx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyHalo Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 H It's not the silly nerf's i'm talking about, i still heal very good with my sage. But something has changed with 1.2 that i'm no longer needed in wz's at all, infact some people don't like healers joining, they would rather have the extra DPS, and that's why i'm making one So yes, i am adapting. Good for you. Most developers have come to realize healing in games like this takes away a significant amount of the fun, especially if they are nearly unkillable like they were prior to 1.2 The game was really fun at launch because there really weren't a lot of healers around, but then they nerfed surge and healers became OP, and immediate FOTM, and that alone chased away a lot of players. Really good teams, and makeups could exploit the power of healers prior to 1.2, but now they don't have such a big advantage and that is GOOD for the game. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeet Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 It's always nice when people come to the forums telling people "everything is fine and dandy all you need to do is adapt" yet give absolutely no constructive feedback whatsoever... Tell me, how do you adapt to dieing in literally 4 seconds flat if focused by 3 competent DPS? And I'm talking about fully BM geared players going up against other fully BM geared players. There is no time for tactical game-play if up against competent teams, for them either. It's literally a case of who can burst down the other team the quickest. This isn't a FPS, gib-fests have have no place in an MMO. I don't have to hot-key 40+ ability's in a FPS...yet I feel like I'm playing a FPS because I don't get a chance to use them. Trust me Bioware are fully aware of the situation, coming here acting like everything is OK isn't going to change that. However the more people who come here and voice their concerns the quicker something will be done about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coramac Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. That's a pretty ironic statement considering the population decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidpop Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 IMO less credits and experience for warzones win or lose, means PVE players have an easier time buying PVP gear. If i have to level another toon without the aid of warzones then I am done leveling toons. With no real in game and no desire to do every side quest again, I just dont have fun anymore. It not winning or losing, its low anyway. Thought we were getting some debuff for quitting not a quitters incentive. Yea, i just tried to do the math on how many commendations i need for a WH set, and the numbers just made me dizzy, so i thouht **** it, life is to short and went and hit the cancel account button insted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDinSOXicated Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 1.2 made the Sith Marauder even more of a joke. I can't last more then a few seconds in WZ's and I've tried all 3 skill tree builds. I canceled last night. I used to have a lot of fun PvPing, now it seems like a chore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeet Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) Healers ain't even needed lol, 2 full groups with DPS will eat everything, doesn't matter if the other faction has 1-3 healers, they will still eat it and die quick. Rather have 8 DPS than 6 DPS and 2 healers, anyday of the week. That's why i'm making a DPS instead of healing, i swear to GOD 2 groups with DPS... Lol, it's insain, and switch 1-2 dps with 1-2 tanks and you are golden. It's not the silly nerf's i'm talking about, i still heal very good with my sage. But something has changed with 1.2 that i'm no longer needed in wz's at all, infact some people don't like healers joining, they would rather have the extra DPS, and that's why i'm making one So yes, i am adapting. Yes because I'm sure that was Biowares intention... To make healers un-needed in PvP. Give me a break, that's not adapting, that's catering yourself to a broken system. And healers are important if you don't want to die in 4 seconds, that's if they haven't been killed already. So really, how do you feel about this gib-fest PvP has turned into? Or are you trying to say it doesn't exist? Edited April 14, 2012 by Sweeet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sathid Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 This is soo rich,every class claims they are killed to fast now,i know whats going on,all you guys lived too long and want to be the UBER GENERAL the king of the mountain,get over yourselves already this is a team PvP sillys lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metaphysiker Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 I agree. The game is completely retarded since 1.2 (pvp wise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeet Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 This is soo rich,every class claims they are killed to fast now,i know whats going on,all you guys lived too long and want to be the UBER GENERAL the king of the mountain,get over yourselves already this is a team PvP sillys lol. Oh damn you got us, it's all just a big conspiracy! Time to log back in fellas, we've been sussed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpsmash Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) I've lost the will to PvP - cancelling my sub until this is fixed Bioware casts "Restore Will" … It's not very effective. They can't "fix" your will. It all comes down to you. Edited April 14, 2012 by lpsmash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyHalo Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Tell me, how do you adapt to dieing in literally 4 seconds flat if focused by 3 competent DPS? And I'm talking about fully BM geared players going up against other fully BM geared players. If 3 DPS are on you in any game what do you expect to happen? You should last 5 more seconds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vermura Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Healers ain't even needed lol, 2 full groups with DPS will eat everything, doesn't matter if the other faction has 1-3 healers, they will still eat it and die quick. Rather have 8 DPS than 6 DPS and 2 healers, anyday of the week. That's why i'm making a DPS instead of healing, i swear to GOD 2 groups with DPS... Lol, it's insain, and switch 1-2 dps with 1-2 tanks and you are golden. It's not the silly nerf's i'm talking about, i still heal very good with my sage. But something has changed with 1.2 that i'm no longer needed in wz's at all, infact some people don't like healers joining, they would rather have the extra DPS, and that's why i'm making one So yes, i am adapting. Yup, noticed same thing on my powertech. I am simply less useful as tank spec then simply going pyrotech and blowing everyone up. It's quite literally, kill or be killed. Healers aren't really a problem, I just burn them down - except they don't hit back so they are actually easier to deal with then dps. Tanks are just the same as dps, except they dps for less. Their mitigation is virtually irrelevant since my damage bypasses virtually all of it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeet Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 If 3 DPS are on you in any game what do you expect to happen? You should last 5 more seconds? No you should last long enough to "react", or at least give the healer a chance to try and save you. It was never this bad before 1.2, even with 3 DPS on me I could react after the 4 second stun and save myself. Now I'm dead before the 4 second stun is even over - hence the term being gibbed. I hardly think it was Biowares intention to have PvP turn into a gib-fest, do you? Do you think it's right people should be dropping like fly's in a 4 second stun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeet Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 Bioware casts "Restore Will" … It's not very effective. They can't "fix" your will. It all comes down to you. They can fix my will by fixing PvP, until then my sub stays cancelled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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