Distracted Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Are you kidding ? Steam is basically the platform for PC gaming. There are XBOX, PS and Steam. No, it's a popular platform, but it's not THE platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Unfortunately, before we can even discuss this, we need to go through one roadblock. EA. EA would never sell SW:TOR on Steam. They'd rather sell it on Origin. That's a...uh...sad, but true, realization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanblood Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 (edited) Steam is by far the worst thing that has happened to PC-gaming since Windows 95. It has gone so far that if I see a game requires Steam, I won't buy it. It doesn't matter if it's a random game I've never heard of or Diablo III. If it requires Steam, i won't buy it. And before you ask why, it's easy. Steam is a requirement, so you can't avoid it. No matter how hard you look, and even if you purchase and download games from other, similar services, you are still required to use Steam. It doesn't make any sense at all. I mean if I download a game from GamersGate, why the heck should I be forced to use Steam? And not only that, but Steam requires full access to your games, and if it doesn't work, you can't do squat about it. Then there's the fact it puts all your games in a subfolder for easy deletion. Really. If you try to reinstall Steam without uninstalling it first, say goodbye to your games, mods, patches, screenshots and all that. Same if you uninstall Steam. No other clients like that does it. You can even uninstall most games individually, and they all ask if you want to keep the user-content like saves and keybindings. Even if you agree to delete everything, many still leave things on your harddrive just in case. Steam don't even ask, it just deletes everything permanently. Worse, you never buy games on Steam. You rent them. If you don't believe me, read the EULA. What this means is you pay full price to get access to game - as long as Steam wants you to. If Steam decide it won't support the game, it's bye bye game-access to you. They don't even need a reason. Now add those two together: You buy a game on GamersGate, Impulse, Direct2Drive or whatever, thinking you are done. But no, Steam decide it don't like the game and removes it from it's list, and guess what? You can no longer play it. At all. How does that make sense? And you agreed to the EULA, so you agreed to let Steam have full control of the game. That means you can complain all you want, but you can't do anything about it. You already said you agreed to let them screw you over anyway, so it's too late to complain afterwards. So yeah, if Old Republic requires Steam, they have already lost one customer. Steam is the best thing that happened to PC gaming. Steam made installing and mantaining games pretty easy. I just don´t have to think if an old game will run on W7. If it´s availble on Steam then it will certainly run on W7. Steam with crazy resales made PC gaming available for the major part of the world. Even East Europe can afford the games for 5 bucks. Steam pun the standard platform for running all PC games available, basically becoming in some sort of console: one-click install and one-click play. But no, Steam decide it don't like the game and removes it from it's list, and guess what? You can no longer play it. At all. How does that make sense? Say thanks for that to EA. Only EA is removing its games screwing the users. I know no other publisher who actually removed its games from Steam. Steam never by its own initiative removed a single game. Worse, you never buy games on Steam. You rent them. If you don't believe me, read the EULA. What this means is you pay full price to get access to game - as long as Steam wants you to. If Steam decide it won't support the game, it's bye bye game-access to you. Don´t be a hippy. You never own the game. You just buying the right to play it. It´s valid not only for Steam games but for retail version too. Just read the user agreement. So no big diffrence there. Beside Steam has a trading service where users can trade games one with another owned on Steam. Edited April 10, 2012 by Ivanblood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrittaB Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Well...If SWTOR, after patch 1.2, is realesed on Steam, it would easy make addtional 1 M subs. And if Bioware cuts the price down at half, the number would be even greater. At least it worked for Rift, thanks to low price and Steam, that game is alive. If SWTOR cuts down its price to 19.99 then we would play a 3M subs game. Yeah, I'd say 1,000 extra subs would be about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 You think it is the same playing an Atari game on your computer as it is for me hooking up my Atari 2600 to my TV and playing those games as they were originally intended? With that Red and black joystick with 2 buttons on it? That is why I prefer the old fashioned way. 30 years after I bought a system and games, it still works. Can you say the same for Steam? Not to be a total nerd, but Atari controllers had ONE red button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roccobb Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Not to be a total nerd, but Atari controllers had ONE red button. The controllers I bought with my 2600 that I still have and use, has 2. One on the red joystick, one on the base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanblood Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 (edited) You think it is the same playing an Atari game on your computer as it is for me hooking up my Atari 2600 to my TV and playing those games as they were originally intended? With that Red and black joystick with 2 buttons on it? That is why I prefer the old fashioned way. 30 years after I bought a system and games, it still works. Can you say the same for Steam? Nobody wants to play Atari games, it´s the most nerdish thing I heard. I can understand Sega or Nintendo classics, but Attari ? Seriously ? Edited April 10, 2012 by Ivanblood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanblood Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 (edited) You think it is the same playing an Atari game on your computer as it is for me hooking up my Atari 2600 to my TV and playing those games as they were originally intended? With that Red and black joystick with 2 buttons on it? That is why I prefer the old fashioned way. 30 years after I bought a system and games, it still works. Can you say the same for Steam? I assure you Steam will live for much longer because Steam is software and doesn´t depend on hardware. Edited April 10, 2012 by Ivanblood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanblood Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 (edited) No, it's a popular platform, but it's not THE platform. It´s the biggest platform right now. And Valve is the most honest and PC-gaming supportive company. Valve is like Blizzard but they never sold their soul to the devil (Diablo, in spanish). So yes, if I have to choose the universal platform for PC gaming I would certainly choose Steam. Edited April 10, 2012 by Ivanblood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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