Jenrais Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Because if anyone is QQING that the dps they can pull is low than the world is over. The burst.... is insane.. I'm ok with most of them sure.. Three or four interrupts. Ok. a Bunch of stuns.. alright.. constant 5-7k hits? no thanks Note Im talking about battlemaster geared marauders/sentinels who are skilled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brool Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 they are adjusting the two under performing skill trees, giving us the option to do something other than watchmen/mirror sith tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atreyuz Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 (edited) I liked the "bunch of stuns" part Edited April 6, 2012 by atreyuz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLonelyTusken Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Good thing Bm marauders/sentinels who are skilled is a rare term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee-Jay Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 The Watchman/Annihilation spec isn't changing all that much as far as I understand. That's the spec everyone plays currently in both PvP and PvE. The other specs are being made more attractive so we might see some more variation when it comes to Sentinel/Marauder specs. Whether or not they will actually be stronger than current Watchman/Annihilation specs is yet to be determined. There's also an unresolved issue regarding their Ataru from which was supposed to be dealing more damage, but effectively deals less because of a change to damage type. This may or may not be intentional. While I think the "buff" to Sentinels/Marauders is being blown a bit out of proportion (because they really aren't becoming much better compared to live) they will certainly become even more dangerous simply because many other specs are getting a nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveandDieinLA Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 (edited) actually its 1 stun, which is channeled. And 5k-7k hits? come on now! Sents maras have 2 abilities (*per tree) that can break 5k, and thats only with relics, adrenals, the 5 min CD buff inspiration, and some luck. * Dispatch (execution move) can reach that high on a lucky crit for all 3 trees Watchman/Annihilation - Merc slash/ annihilate Combat /carnage - blade storm/ scream with the armor penetration buff up focus / rage - sweep / smash No one is hitting crits that high, except maybe focus/ rage with out relics adrenals. Every class can put out big crits in that situation. Edited April 6, 2012 by LiveandDieinLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenrais Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 actually its 1 stun, which is channeled. And 5k-7k hits? come on now! Sents maras have 2 abilities (*per tree) that can break 5k, and thats only with relics, adrenals, the 5 min CD buff inspiration, and some luck. * Dispatch (execution move) can reach that high on a lucky crit for all 3 trees Watchman/Annihilation - Merc slash/ annihilate Combat /carnage - blade storm/ scream with the armor penetration buff up focus / rage - sweep / smash No one is hitting crits that high, except maybe focus/ rage with out relics adrenals. Every class can put out big crits in that situation. We have a few skilled marauders/sentinels on our server who can kill a battlemaster in seconds.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atreyuz Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 (edited) We have a few skilled marauders/sentinels on our server who can kill a battlemaster in seconds.. Probably yes. A skilled anni mara can melt anyone/anything. Are they doing that with "5-7k" crits and a "bunch of stuns" No, get a clue. You do not even know how the class works, how can I take you seriously. Edited April 6, 2012 by atreyuz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveandDieinLA Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 skill doesn't give you bigger crits, those are determined by math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warkat Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 OP has confused Sentinel/Marauder with Operative dps...5-7k hits....most i have ever hit for is 3999 on a fresh green geared 50 sorc with no like 20 expertise...normal is 3400 ish with my 40 point talent in watchmen...5-7k lawllllls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse- Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 (edited) Watchman/Annihilation is getting a bit of a utility nerf while getting a bit better focus management. Overall, it's just slightly a nerf to this tree in the grand scope of a warzone: More individual power at the cost of team power. Most notable Sent/Mara are Watchman/Anni. Focus/Rage is getting buffed with more damage and better centering generation but at the cost of higher focus costs. It's also getting a major nerf in that the permanent Transcendence/Predation talent(bugged? well never know) is being removed. Overall a utility nerf to gain consistency. Buff to the tree, but not an major one overall. Will cause QQ due to the big damage numbers going up though. Combat/Carnage is being made viable. Major utility buffs to the tree with a small damage boost. It was absolutely needed. Edited April 6, 2012 by Apocalypse- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atreyuz Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 (edited) most i have ever hit for is 3999 on a fresh green geared 50 sorc with no like 20 expertise...normal is 3400 ish with my 40 point talent in watchmen...5-7k lawllllls. Depends what skill are you talking about. Almost everyone plays Annihilation/watchman. The hardest hitter is Annihilate. A BM/PVE (min maxed) geared mara crits easily for 3k/3500 on soft targets with that. 5k crits are very, very, very rare(you see it one per match, if you are lucky). And ONLY obtainable trough stacking of ADRENALS/STIM/PvPbuff on a squishy target with not very high Expertise. Rage marauders can hit 5k easier with Smash. But Juggs's Smash hits way harder. If that's the problem. Edited April 6, 2012 by atreyuz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerain Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 actually its 1 stun, which is channeled. And 5k-7k hits? come on now! Sents maras have 2 abilities (*per tree) that can break 5k, and thats only with relics, adrenals, the 5 min CD buff inspiration, and some luck. * Dispatch (execution move) can reach that high on a lucky crit for all 3 trees Watchman/Annihilation - Merc slash/ annihilate Combat /carnage - blade storm/ scream with the armor penetration buff up focus / rage - sweep / smash No one is hitting crits that high, except maybe focus/ rage with out relics adrenals. Every class can put out big crits in that situation. Too bad when dispatch reaches that high not all of the damage counts and for annihilate yeah about the only thing that registers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveandDieinLA Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Too bad when dispatch reaches that high not all of the damage counts and for annihilate yeah about the only thing that registers. That's a very good point.' Still the OP may have seen the damage number form one of those pop up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauerkraut Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 If Mara or any warrior class was OP we would not have hords of troopers and sages in WZ. I've never seen a say 5 mara 3 ops premade, but i meet the 5 trooper 3 sage premades every day /5-10 times/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse- Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 If Mara or any warrior class was OP we would not have hords of troopers and sages in WZ. I've never seen a say 5 mara 3 ops premade, but i meet the 5 trooper 3 sage premades every day /5-10 times/ Anecdotal evidence should be used to balance classes? What a revalation! Just because most sent/maras are terribad doesn't mean that the class isn't overpowered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibmachine Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 (edited) constant 5-7k hits? no thanks Constant eh? You might want to replace that Voss gear buddy. Edited April 6, 2012 by gibmachine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayjin Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 If Mara or any warrior class was OP we would not have hords of troopers and sages in WZ. I've never seen a say 5 mara 3 ops premade, but i meet the 5 trooper 3 sage premades every day /5-10 times/ Haha good point..have you ever gone up agents a team of troopers/sages now thats OP!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordredz Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 We have a few skilled marauders/sentinels on our server who can kill a battlemaster in seconds.. in a few seconds? rofl ya um no... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpsmash Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Because if anyone is QQING that the dps they can pull is low than the world is over. The burst.... is insane.. I'm ok with most of them sure.. Three or four interrupts. Ok. a Bunch of stuns.. alright.. constant 5-7k hits? no thanks Note Im talking about battlemaster geared marauders/sentinels who are skilled I'm going to assume you're trolling. Nobody can be that clueless... 5-7k hits? First, try crits. Second, we're not talking about player vs robot, we're talking PvP. Try to wear some equipment if you;re getting crit constantly for 5-7k, it might help (you know, expertise, armor, etc.). Don't run around naked. Three to four interrupts? err i don't think so. Bunch of stuns? They only have stasis/choke. BM gear --> Yeah cause that's different from anything else wearing BM gear. Gear is such an important part of this game that even a healer in BM gear can beat a centurion/champion player. I don't play a sentinel/marauder, I find the playstyle boring. But you're not crying about the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vimm Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 skill doesn't give you bigger crits, those are determined by math. Math skills?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPANDORAx Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 A sent/mara hitting 5/7k hits is attainable. and just like previously stated, it's fairly rare My 22 mara can crit smash for 2500 already, and force scream for 2100. who ever questions rage spec needs to look again. And if it is getting a boost with 1.2 then even better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fungihoujo Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 BW is in the process of making every AC have 3 viable specs- starting with marauder. One of these days, they'll give the other classes 1 viable spec. One of these days, I can feel it in my joints Ani! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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