enigmayshi Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 >.> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcq16udC_aw The only thing Sidious potentially has is his lightsaber, which I'm willing to bet Raiden can block. The key thing in this is....The Force wouldn't affect raiden really....for actual SW lore reasons. The Force has a reduced effect on beings not touched by the force. Raiden has no connection to the force, so Sidious wouldn't even be able to sense him through it. This lack of a connection to the force significantly reduces Sidious's 'potential' power, which does not swing both ways since Raiden's powers focus natural lightning into a weapon not force energy. Not to mention Raiden has an awesome hat. >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Zone Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Not to mention Raiden has an awesome hat. >.> Indeed he does. Nearly as awesome as Kyle Katarn's shoulder pad... but not quite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmayshi Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Indeed he does. Nearly as awesome as Kyle Katarn's shoulder pad... but not quite. The force is strong with that Shoulder Pad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valin-krai Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 >.> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcq16udC_aw The only thing Sidious potentially has is his lightsaber, which I'm willing to bet Raiden can block. The key thing in this is....The Force wouldn't affect raiden really....for actual SW lore reasons. The Force has a reduced effect on beings not touched by the force. Raiden has no connection to the force, so Sidious wouldn't even be able to sense him through it. This lack of a connection to the force significantly reduces Sidious's 'potential' power, which does not swing both ways since Raiden's powers focus natural lightning into a weapon not force energy. Not to mention Raiden has an awesome hat. >.> Why would Raiden not have the Force and yet still be a God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmayshi Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Why would Raiden not have the Force and yet still be a God? Because the Force doesn't exist in the MK Universe. A god is not necessarily omnipotent with all things and omniscient, they can be but it is not the definition of a god. It is the definition of the Catholic/Christian THE God(I am not turning this into a RL religious talk the reference is only for definition purposes.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valin-krai Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Because the Force doesn't exist in the MK Universe. A god is not necessarily omnipotent with all things and omniscient, they can be but it is not the definition of a god. It is the definition of the Catholic/Christian THE God(I am not turning this into a RL religious talk the reference is only for definition purposes.) The Force exist in the Star Wars universe though, and Raiden's power don't exist there. The Force existed when Vader and Yoda were in Soul Calibur, why not when in a MK vs Star Wars crossover fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 The Force exist in the Star Wars universe though, and Raiden's power don't exist there. The Force existed when Vader and Yoda were in Soul Calibur, why not when in a MK vs Star Wars crossover fight? Raiden needs to actually have midichlorians for Sidious to have his usual effect, he doesn't have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valin-krai Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) Raiden needs to actually have midichlorians for Sidious to have his usual effect, he doesn't have them. Why would he need Midichlorians? Midichlorians allow an individual to harness the Force, not to be hurt by the Force. By your logic the Force shouldn't move/damage inanimate objects like droids, and it does. Edited April 5, 2012 by valin-krai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zekkau Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 im·mor·tal 1. Not subject to death: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/immortal According to MK Wiki though... http://mortalkombat.wikia.com/wiki/Raiden "Raiden, like any other god, will have his powers taken away should he enter a domain not native to him, with Outworld being the most prominent example of this." So is he fighting Darth Sidious in the Star Wars Universe, or the Mortal Kombat one? We can assume he will still be immortal, but loses control over lighting if he enters the SW Universe. Technically, he would/could still win, because although he loses control over lighting, he'd still be immortal. He would win hands down in Earthrealm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Why would he need Midichlorians? Midichlorians allow an individual to harness the Force, not to be hurt by the Force. By your logic the Force shouldn't move/damage inanimate objects like droids, and it does. I'd suggest learning about the Yuuzhan Vong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) im·mor·tal 1. Not subject to death: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/immortal According to MK Wiki though... http://mortalkombat.wikia.com/wiki/Raiden "Raiden, like any other god, will have his powers taken away should he enter a domain not native to him, with Outworld being the most prominent example of this." So is he fighting Darth Sidious in the Star Wars Universe, or the Mortal Kombat one? We can assume he will still be immortal, but loses control over lighting if he enters the SW Universe. Technically, he would/could still win, because although he loses control over lighting, he'd still be immortal. He would win hands down in Earthrealm... Yes but if you read a sentence before it says. "Despite his godly status, he is not indestructible and has limits, though it is unlikely he can ever truly be killed." It does say he has limits and isn't indestructible, so he can most likely die given certain conditions. We just have never seen any of it cause Raiden is a major character in MK. Edited April 5, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datamonger Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) [EDIT] Was going to lay some new ground rules, but I'll let it ride out some more until the immortality issue clears up. Edited April 5, 2012 by Datamonger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valin-krai Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 I'd suggest learning about the Yuuzhan Vong. G-canon shows Vader throwing objects at Luke, Force pushing droids and much more. Vong were specifically cut off from the Force. At any rate, with very few exceptions living things can be sensed in the Force. Why wouldn't Raiden if he is able to fight Palpatine at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmayshi Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 G-canon shows Vader throwing objects at Luke, Force pushing droids and much more. Vong were specifically cut off from the Force. At any rate, with very few exceptions living things can be sensed in the Force. Why wouldn't Raiden if he is able to fight Palpatine at all. Anything not from the SW universe would be just as 'cut off' from the force as the Vong. Within the star wars universe most everything is connected to the force including inanimate objects as stated by Yoda. “Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.” It permeates the Star Wars universe, but there is no force in MK so Raiden has no connection to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarbacca Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Im so sick of these So and so from the So and so universe Vs. Star Wars Character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valin-krai Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Anything not from the SW universe would be just as 'cut off' from the force as the Vong. Within the star wars universe most everything is connected to the force including inanimate objects as stated by Yoda. “Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.” It permeates the Star Wars universe, but there is no force in MK so Raiden has no connection to it. And in the Star Wars universe non-Force-sensatives aren't lightning gods. As I stated there is NO need for midichlorians for the Force to be used on something. It kills droids, non-Force-sensatives just fine. Hell, Meetra could sense T3-M4s aura based on his affect on his surroundings. Midichlorians are only messengers between beings and the Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmayshi Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 And in the Star Wars universe non-Force-sensatives aren't lightning gods. As I stated there is NO need for midichlorians for the Force to be used on something. It kills droids, non-Force-sensatives just fine. Hell, Meetra could sense T3-M4s aura based on his affect on his surroundings. Midichlorians are only messengers between beings and the Force. T3 is connected to the force in a manner. Btw Non Force Sensitive do have the force in them, they just are not sensitive to it. Since as you said the stupid little midichlorians are only the messenger. My argument was never based on their absence. By the way with how you are attempting to twist my logic, vs is rather pointless because throw Sidious and Raiden both into another universe and both have no power by your logic, human brawl! Your logic also fails because their is nothing in star wars lore that would indicate if some being of godly power somehow entered the star wars reality that they would lose their power. It does however with the Vong show that it is possible for beings to not be a part of the force at all(Yes they were cut off from it by their sentient planet but it still led to them being absent from it), and since the force does not exist in the other universe it leads to the logical conclusion that even entering the star wars universe beings not native to it would not be a part of the force at all. My own view though is if you pit Sidious full power with the actually ability for his force powers to have full effect. And Raiden at full power, Raiden would completely demolish Sidious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleMagick Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Raiden being immune to the force just because he isn't from the Star Wars universe is a cop-out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmayshi Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Raiden being immune to the force just because he isn't from the Star Wars universe is a cop-out. Never stated he would be 'immune' Plus I did say even if Sidious's does have full effect I still think Raiden would win. Though honestly there is not really a good system to compare the two by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Eh, Raiden hands down, there wouldn't even be a competition... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartanik Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Sidious created a Force Storm that was so powerful it created a wormhole.. ... raiden is the thunder GOD. no context there. Not that matters though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 ... raiden is the thunder GOD. no context there. Not that matters though. They don't need context, they'll continue to link crazy wookiepedia entries of Sidious until we all disappear from the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 They don't need context, they'll continue to link crazy wookiepedia entries of Sidious until we all disappear from the thread. Doesn't matter, even Raiden without his major powers would have Sidious for lunch, Grand Master Luke may be a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Doesn't matter, even Raiden without his major powers would have Sidious for lunch, Grand Master Luke may be a different matter. Amen to the first.. Second is a discussable matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Hmm. Im going to read up on Raiden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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