Darth_Acherus Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 This thread is getting quite boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathelia Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 LOL. Best Shadow on the server and loses to an Arsenal BH? Hey Robin and Vosh, do you think we're going to dominate the entire game when cross-server PvP comes out? Just seems like 99% of the people in this game are TERRIBLE and have no idea what they're doing. yeah including you.. get out from your cave sometime. only way you can feel superior in life is probably infront of that computer logged into swtor=) the problem lies with the baddies you confront on your server. it's easy to feel superior then. am i right? rookie.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMKSED Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 yeah including you.. get out from your cave sometime. only way you can feel superior in life is probably infront of that computer logged into swtor=) the problem lies with the baddies you confront on your server. it's easy to feel superior then. am i right? rookie.. Oh! You caught me sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathelia Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Oh! You caught me sir! yeah it's pretty easy to analyse you.. wouldn't disagree there. and comparing how many guys that are on you side on this topic i wouldnt expect a nerf any time soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMKSED Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) yeah it's pretty easy to analyse you.. wouldn't disagree there. and comparing how many guys that are on you side on this topic i wouldnt expect a nerf any time soon The same people posting over and over again defending =/= that it's not OP. And the way people talk and state things on their servers just makes it seem like 99% of these players are bad. I pray to the SWTOR Gods to help us when people playing the hybrid build of Assassins and Shadows learn how to do it 100% correctly. Edited March 27, 2012 by AMKSED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazysithslayer Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) The same people posting over and over again defending =/= that it's not OP. LOL. Same person posting over and over again claiming that it is OP. Actually the fact that the same few people have written around 40 pages of this crap is sad and depressing. Edited March 27, 2012 by Crazysithslayer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackMinn Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 any class can be beaten. it's all about how to counter. I got owned first time by a jedi shadow kinetic in ilum ,came back and countered his moves ,wrecked him 6 times in a row until he left ilum. he is the most achievefull jedi shadow on my server with full bm, i got champ and centurion gear. it's all about countering and being smart. jedi shadow are not op , people that think it is are just plain stupid that can't manage tactics and should not play pvp. ohmagawd rli? are you that awesome? Thanks for that wonderful story. I am sure it contributed spectacularly to the discussion of game balance..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMKSED Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 LOL. Same person posting over and over again claiming that it is OP. Wait, earlier I wasn't posting enough to defend it so now that I'm actually posting things it's too much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMKSED Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 LOL. Same person posting over and over again claiming that it is OP. Actually the fact that the same few people have written around 40 pages of this crap is sad and depressing. What's funny about your comments is that the people who claim it to not be OP just say "It's not OP!!!!!" while the people who've actually played every single specs of Shadow/Assassin and also played many different classes post a more detailed analysis of everything of how it is going to be overpowered. I've already asked Bioware via PM to chime in on this discussion and to give us statistics as to what specs with what gear people are playing on each server on their Assassin/Shadows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Sithis- Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 LOL. Best Shadow on the server and loses to an Arsenal BH? Hey Robin and Vosh, do you think we're going to dominate the entire game when cross-server PvP comes out? Just seems like 99% of the people in this game are TERRIBLE and have no idea what they're doing. Based on the events of this thread, the likelihood of this possibility coming into fruition seems quite high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxipad Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) While I don't agree with your suggestions OP, I do /support that Madness and Deception need a overhaul. From a sin forced to play Hybrid just to be competitive with all the other lame hybrids and Turtle setups. Lets hope: 1. Tanks get there damage nurfed, hard! 2. Guard gets toned down a tad, 30/35% should do? 3. Healing get a decent nurf, but damage is brought in line to match this. 4. DR added to CC as resolve fails, until we get this healing will be alpha. 5. More viable and less simplistic rotation for deception because 2 builders then a big hit is very easy to defend against. I highly doubt to see any deception Assassins in top level rated play (. Edited March 27, 2012 by Maxipad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xNonphixionx Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I swear there's a new "This class is OP" thread every day and it's always a different class lmao. Honestly if every class is OP then Bioware did an excellent job of balancing the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyperThomas Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Honestly OP just end this stupid thread and stop trying to defend your argument. Number one... you call for nerfs of the spec, yet have no reason for these nerf calls. There has been no evidence provided by anyone to give a reason for calling it OP, yet there has been evidence to prove it is perfectly balanced, and therefore not OP. I know this spec is perfectly balanced in PvP, I play it along with 2 other level 50 classes. Number two... tank assasins are not the only class that wears gear that doesn't match their spec to get an "unfair advantage" as you see it. I can think of several classes, Commando, Scoundrel heals, Vanguard, and less commonly Guardian. Give us a reason or proof that the spec is OP or stop trolling the forums pointlessly. If the problem was game breaking as people are claiming it to be, then would it not have had some re balancing in 1.2? Good thing is Bioware knows their classes well, and know that this spec is balanced and creative, I use a slight variation to the 31/0/10 and love it, I have sustained DPS (not bursty at all) with some survivability. The real reason why so many are playing this spec: The other trees are gimped and useless in group pvp, sure they may seem awesome with the 5k crits and the massive burst potential, but really they are weak sauce and useless in group combat. Learn your class better, and stop being so arrogant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyperThomas Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) What's funny about your comments is that the people who claim it to not be OP just say "It's not OP!!!!!" while the people who've actually played every single specs of Shadow/Assassin and also played many different classes post a more detailed analysis of everything of how it is going to be overpowered. I've already asked Bioware via PM to chime in on this discussion and to give us statistics as to what specs with what gear people are playing on each server on their Assassin/Shadows. 1) You have provided no evidence that the spec is OP, nothing at all. I and the rest of us defending the spec (the majority), on the other hand have proved how it is perfectly balanced for group combat. Comparing it to other "hybrid" specs, as you like to call them, proves my point perfectly. Also, why would you know anything when you cannot even use correct definitions? (rhetorical) 2) The reason so many people are playing this spec isn't because it is OP, it is because so many believe that it is the only viable spec for group combat, this is true, the other trees are gimped for any sort of group combat. Infiltration may be good 1v1 but certainly not in group combat. Get off your high horse and do some research to help support your argument before posting a thread on the forums. That is all. Edited April 2, 2012 by LexiCazam Insult/already warned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMKSED Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) 1) You have provided no evidence that the spec is OP, nothing at all. I and the rest of us defending the spec (the majority), on the other hand have proved how it is perfectly balanced for group combat. Comparing it to other "hybrid" specs, as you like to call them, proves my point perfectly. Also, why would you know anything when you cannot even use correct definitions? (rhetorical) 2) The reason so many people are playing this spec isn't because it is OP, it is because so many believe that it is the only viable spec for group combat, this is true, the other trees are gimped for any sort of group combat. Infiltration may be good 1v1 but certainly not in group combat. Get off your high horse and do some research to help support your argument before posting a thread on the forums. That is all. I've post plenty of things to back it up along with other players yet people like you just /shrug it off and say "Nope, that's not right no no no no no!" But it's okay, you were a bad in SWG and I see it just carried over to SWTOR. And I think you need to go read what hybrid means, buddy o' pal. Edited April 2, 2012 by LexiCazam Insult/quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyperThomas Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I read your posts and can't take them seriously because I remember your skill level and understandings of an MMO from SWG and just can't see you doing any better over here. And Shadow/Assassin literally received nothing in 1.2 because I'm assuming Bioware is trying to brush the hybrid build under the rug and hope that at least people don't play it or play it to it's max potential. And to all the classes you mentioned that can change their PvP gear, none of them come even close to how much it affects Shadows and Assassins. 1) Your knowledge and understanding of how to define "hybrid" is totally stupid. Any proof I was an idiot back in the days of SWG? or was that just a childish insult because you are mad? I don't even remember you. 2) You have yet to explain why the spec is OP, compared to other "hybrids"...I have mentioned this before. 3) Again you are throwing out random comments out there about how an assassin "hybrid" is far superior when compared to another "hybrid". Yet you have no proof, or evidence to back up your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathelia Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) I've post plenty of things to back it up along with other players yet people like you just /shrug it off and say "Nope, that's not right no no no no no!" But it's okay, you were a bad in SWG and I see it just carried over to SWTOR. And I think you need to go read what hybrid means, buddy o' pal. think you need to go read upon the definiton of "hybrid"... you think 31/0/10 is a hybrid . all people know (not you ofc) a hybrid by definition is based on comboing 2 trees. not go full darkness or whatever then put on some damage gear... and btw how would go take down a equally geared bodyguard ,tracer missiled hybrid bounty hunter if could ask? Edited March 27, 2012 by Wekeltes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackMinn Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 You are a fool, 1) You have provided no evidence that the spec is OP, nothing at all. http://i.imgur.com/kmpzS.jpg And ofc the screenshot doesnt highlight all the crutch plays he managed to pull off through the use of stealth which forced this game to end in a 0-0 despite us having wiped the assassins entire team except him due to combat stealth. A class that can do everything. Seems balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMKSED Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 1) Your knowledge and understanding of how to define "hybrid" is totally stupid. Any proof I was an idiot back in the days of SWG? or was that just a childish insult because you are mad? I don't even remember you. 2) You have yet to explain why the spec is OP, compared to other "hybrids"...I have mentioned this before. 3) Again you are throwing out random comments out there about how an assassin "hybrid" is far superior when compared to another "hybrid". Yet you have no proof, or evidence to back up your argument. Post a screenshot of a Vanguard/Guardian in the tank tree wearing DPS gear pulling out 500k+ damage with 150k+ protection and 75K+ healing. We'll go with that for starters. They also need to be able to get 2-4k crits, their regular DPS rotation attacks need to hit for 1.5-2k, and their ending rotation ability needs to hit for at least 5K. They need to be able to heal themselves for about 1/2 of their health in a 25 second fight. They also need to have an AoE knockback, 5 second immunity to Force/Tech attacks, the ability to pull players, the ability to sprint and get away from bad situations fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMKSED Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) think you need to go read upon the definiton of "hybrid"... you think 31/0/10 is a hybrid . all people know (not you ofc) a hybrid by definition is based on comboing 2 trees. not go full darkness or whatever then put on some damage gear... and btw how would go take down a equally geared bodyguard ,tracer missiled hybrid bounty hunter if could ask? my last feed to the troll op. let this retarded nerf thread die indeed 1. Don't agree with OP. 2. Call him a troll. 3. ??? 4. Profit. For you, my special little buddy. hy·brid/ˈhīˌbrid/ Noun: A thing made by combining two different elements; a mixture. Adjective: Of mixed character; composed of mixed parts. I've had multiple people say that a Shadow/Assassin spec'd into the tank tree while wearing DPS gear isn't a Tank nor a DPS class. So what does that classify it as? I'm in a tank tree that gives me better defense, but I'm wearing DPS gear that maximizes my attack power for me. Hmmmmm...? Edited March 27, 2012 by AMKSED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyperThomas Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 http://i.imgur.com/kmpzS.jpg And ofc the screenshot doesnt highlight all the crutch plays he managed to pull off through the use of stealth which forced this game to end in a 0-0 despite us having wiped the assassins entire team except him due to combat stealth. A class that can do everything. Seems balanced. Umm ok, you clearly have no idea, I have seen Guardians with 50k+ protection yet still have 700k damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackMinn Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) think you need to go read upon the definiton of "hybrid"... you think 31/0/10 is a hybrid . all people know (not you ofc) a hybrid by definition is based on comboing 2 trees. not go full darkness or whatever then put on some damage gear... and btw how would go take down a equally geared bodyguard ,tracer missiled hybrid bounty hunter if could ask? A hybrid is anything that has the capacity to deal threatening damage while having strong survivability. The means to damage/survivability isnt what defines a hybrid, its the fact that in practice during a match a class is capable of doing both. If going full tank spec still somehow allows you to deal substantial damage then the full 31 spec is in itself a hybrid tree simply by what it allows one to do. Just cause some label given by Bioware claims to be a tank tree doesnt validate that opinion. Edited April 2, 2012 by LexiCazam Rude/IC - quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMKSED Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) Umm ok, you clearly have no idea, I have seen Guardians with 50k+ protection yet still have 700k damage. That's easy to do with just taunts. Now actually put a Guard on someone and take another players 50% damage. I pull 25-50K protection usually in every warzone I'm in on my DPS Guardian just by throwing out taunts. Edited March 27, 2012 by AMKSED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathelia Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 just to comment that. i've seen powertechs in damage gear do higher than that on youtube. so your arguement is invalid.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyperThomas Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) Post a screenshot of a Vanguard/Guardian in the tank tree wearing DPS gear pulling out 500k+ damage with 150k+ protection and 75K+ healing. We'll go with that for starters. They also need to be able to get 2-4k crits, their regular DPS rotation attacks need to hit for 1.5-2k, and their ending rotation ability needs to hit for at least 5K. They need to be able to heal themselves for about 1/2 of their health in a 25 second fight. They also need to have an AoE knockback, 5 second immunity to Force/Tech attacks, the ability to pull players, the ability to sprint and get away from bad situations fast. http://i.imgur.com/PfrWV.jpg 1 mil damage. 17k protection Closest Shadow was at 370k damage with 76k protection. Edited March 27, 2012 by HyperThomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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