Agooz Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 If you play like I suggested you don't need to worry about it. I'm saying the system is fine the way it is, except 'when the stars align' its overpowered. Maybe you'll have to change your build up a little bit, maybe you wouln't be getting 400k damage every game. That's balanced. Yay you're right, we really need to accept this and just move on. The "thank you sir, may I have another" mentality goes very far in life. Why are all the pyros complaining? We dont need to always be in the top3 damage in WZs. After all we all know that damage doesnt really win WZs. Listen to this guy, and lets use our utilities and adapt....lets use our speed, our CCs, our immunities, our jumps, friendly jumps, heals, rescues, extrications, defensive cooldowns to win for a change............wait a minute, I forgot, we dont have any of this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalmeseReb Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 They nerfed all the burst DPS in 1.2. If they unnerf PT then they need to unnerf my Focus Guardian too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theology Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) They nerfed all the burst DPS in 1.2. If they unnerf PT then they need to unnerf my Focus Guardian too. We're not asking to be un-nerfed. We're asking for a fair nerf. Edited March 23, 2012 by Theology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu_Bei Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Yay you're right, we really need to accept this and just move on. The "thank you sir, may I have another" mentality goes very far in life. Why are all the pyros complaining? We dont need to always be in the top3 damage in WZs. After all we all know that damage doesnt really win WZs. Listen to this guy, and lets use our utilities and adapt....lets use our speed, our CCs, our immunities, our jumps, friendly jumps, heals, rescues, extrications, defensive cooldowns to win for a change............wait a minute, I forgot, we dont have any of this stuff. My 330k damage got nerfed to 297k damage. I call foul! Sorcerer: "Well, I did 180k damage that game, so..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theology Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Yay you're right, we really need to accept this and just move on. The "thank you sir, may I have another" mentality goes very far in life. Why are all the pyros complaining? We dont need to always be in the top3 damage in WZs. After all we all know that damage doesnt really win WZs. Listen to this guy, and lets use our utilities and adapt....lets use our speed, our CCs, our immunities, our jumps, friendly jumps, heals, rescues, extrications, defensive cooldowns to win for a change............wait a minute, I forgot, we dont have any of this stuff. No bro, hes not telling us to use our utilities, hes telling us to just auto attack 40% of the time and our heat will be fine. It's a legitimate solution, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu_Bei Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I'm not embellishing anything No bro, hes not telling us to use our utilities, hes telling us to just auto attack 40% of the time and our heat will be fine. It's a legitimate solution, obviously. Are you campaigning for senator or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theology Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 My 330k damage got nerfed to 297k damage. I call foul! Sorcerer: "Well, I did 180k damage that game, so..." Touche? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu_Bei Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Touche? You really think your class of choice should be significantly better than every other class, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theology Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 You really think your class of choice should be significantly better than every other class, don't you? BUT WAIT, THERES MOAR! Wow. Way to embellish my stance. I'm done with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu_Bei Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) BUT WAIT, THERES MOAR! I'm done with you. Don't quit me, bro. You implied that its okay that a PT does, on average, 100k more damage than another DPS specced class. I didn't embellish, its right there in your post. "Theology" is a very accurate name for you. Edited March 23, 2012 by Lu_Bei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theology Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) Don't quit me, bro. You implied that its okay that a PT does, on average, 100k more damage than another DPS specced class. I didn't embellish, its right there in your post. We do? Proof? Facts? Evidence? Oh, you have none? Ok. And I never implied that we did 100k more on average than any other DPS class. You're putting words into my mouth. Edited March 23, 2012 by Theology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu_Bei Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 My 330k damage got nerfed to 297k damage. I call foul! Sorcerer: "Well, I did 180k damage that game, so..." Touche? La evidencia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theology Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Numbers you randomly made up are proof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu_Bei Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) Numbers you randomly made up are proof? Proof of what? You don't seem to be able to follow the conversation coherently. And I never implied that we did 100k more on average than any other DPS class. You're putting words into my mouth. Hypocrite much? No bro, hes not telling us to use our utilities, hes telling us to just auto attack 40% of the time and our heat will be fine. It's a legitimate solution, obviously. ^ Really, I'm curious.. You're really a theologian, aren't you? Edited March 23, 2012 by Lu_Bei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyasaxa Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) My 330k damage got nerfed to 297k damage. I call foul! Sorcerer: "Well, I did 180k damage that game, so..." In that same game, the Sorc did healing, bubbling, knockbacks, and used his sprint to be an effective team member. The PT did... not. Pyro is a pure dps spec, and it has limited to no utility in objective-based pvp apart from melting faces quickly. The best class for melting faces quickly will now also be a class (sent/mara) with more utility skills than the PT ever had. Also, I didn't read in the OP anything about the chance of your target to deflect your wonderful proc. Even with accuracy reasonably stacked, you can't guarantee that RS/HIB won't simply be ignored by your target. Edited March 23, 2012 by hoyasaxa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GianBaal Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Don't quit me, bro. You implied that its okay that a PT does, on average, 100k more damage than another DPS specced class. I didn't embellish, its right there in your post. "Theology" is a very accurate name for you. That is simply not the case. Both warrior classes and sorcerers top my dmg in a wz easily. My prefered Jugg generally does 10% more dmg than i do (I'm talking in the 500k+ bracket). Granted, he is rage-specced and having an aoe as your main move helps alot there. But there are quite a few marauders (arguably single-target-dps) who top me quite regulary. And then there is the sorcerer. Just a few days ago I saw one sorc doing 770k in a voidstar. And that is something i can only dream off... I have to admit the dmgspikes my PT can do are a bit over the top, but nerfing my ability to do uber dmg and vent heat, yet leaving my chance to do no dmg and vent no heat untouched is simply wrong. An easy solution would be to to change the talent into a normal cd-reduction, aka 3/6/9sec or 2/4/6 secs ( which would be the most likely). That would even out the dmgspikes aswell as the venting holes. It is as easy as that, but no... we have to gimp PT to the point it might be close to unusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agooz Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) Don't quit me, bro. You implied that its okay that a PT does, on average, 100k more damage than another DPS specced class. I didn't embellish, its right there in your post. "Theology" is a very accurate name for you. Yes it is PERFECTLY ok that a PT would have 100k more damage than another dps specced class. Because only an idiot would balance classes that dont have similar abilities based on damage alone. I'll give up my 100k extra damage advantage when you give me the utilities that Sorc, Juggs, Marauders get. In case you havent played a single huttball, Pyros dont win the games no matter how much damage they do. It's the juggs, sorc, stealthers, healers that get the wins. Edited March 23, 2012 by Agooz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theology Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) Meh, you're just being immature now. You made up random numbers, then when i said how absurd that was, you turn it around to say that I said it's okay that we do 330k to sorc's 180k? Here, Arsenal merc in my guild: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/832/dps31512.jpg/ And a DPS sorc: http://www.shut-out.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=downloadattachmentpage&board=topthis&thread=2&post=84 And a Concealment Operative: http://www.shut-out.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=downloadattachmentpage&board=topthis&thread=2&post=95 And me (Parallel): http://www.shut-out.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=downloadattachmentpage&board=topthis&thread=2&post=3 Please leave this thread now. Edited March 23, 2012 by Theology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu_Bei Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 In that same game, the Sorc did healing, bubbling, knockbacks, and used his sprint to be an effective team member. The PT did... not. Pyro is a pure dps spec, and it has limited to no utility in objective-based pvp apart from melting faces quickly. The best class for melting faces quickly will now also be a class (sent/mara) with more utility skills than the PT ever had. Also, I didn't read in the OP anything about the chance of your target to deflect your wonderful proc. Even with accuracy reasonably stacked, you can't guarantee that RS/HIB won't simply be ignored by your target. If every game were Huttball, that'd be a sound argument. Knockback(s??), pull, and force speed doesn't get you that far in an Alderaan or Voidstar game. Besides, Pyrotech gets a KB and the pull ability. Other 'full DPS' classes like Sniper don't come very close to the DPS threshold of Pyrotechs, who have even less utility skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyasaxa Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 If every game were Huttball, that'd be a sound argument. Knockback(s??), pull, and force speed doesn't get you that far in an Alderaan or Voidstar game. Besides, Pyrotech gets a KB and the pull ability. Other 'full DPS' classes like Sniper don't come very close to the DPS threshold of Pyrotechs, who have even less utility skills. Pyros do not get a KB. You are mistaken. We get a hostile target pull. Force speed and bubbles don't get you very far? Knockbacks are exceptionally useful in all games, and a "run the hell away" button works wonders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GianBaal Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Yes it is PERFECTLY ok that a PT would have 100k more damage than another dps specced class. Because only an idiot would balance classes that dont have similar abilities based on damage alone. I'll give up my 100k extra damage advantage when you give me the utilities that Sorc, Juggs, Marauders get. In case you havent played a single huttball, Pyros dont win the games no matter how much damage they do. It's the juggs, sorc, stealthers, healers that get the wins. I still don't get why you do 100k more than any other class. What crappy server are you on? I have trouble hitting 500k mostly, let alone 600k. Yet there are some 8especially marauders and sorcs) who seem to hit it quite regulary. There is no reason to argue it is ok for a PT to do 100k more dmg than everybody else on a regular basis, simply because it is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agooz Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 If every game were Huttball, that'd be a sound argument. Knockback(s??), pull, and force speed doesn't get you that far in an Alderaan or Voidstar game. Besides, Pyrotech gets a KB and the pull ability. Other 'full DPS' classes like Sniper don't come very close to the DPS threshold of Pyrotechs, who have even less utility skills. What Pyro has KB now?? lol you know alot about the AC! While snipers in their current state imo are not OP. They still have a huge advantage over Pyros. Pyros are always in your face, they cant be hiding in anyway and deal their damage. 35-40m range is a HUGE advantage over 4m-10m Pyros fight in. And by the way, it's snipers that have the KB not Pyros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agooz Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I still don't get why you do 100k more than any other class. What crappy server are you on? I have trouble hitting 500k mostly, let alone 600k. Yet there are some 8especially marauders and sorcs) who seem to hit it quite regulary. There is no reason to argue it is ok for a PT to do 100k more dmg than everybody else on a regular basis, simply because it is wrong. I am going along with his exaggeration to prove a point. The point is "even" if Pyros are constantly ahead in damage over other dps specced ACs, it is STILL justifiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyasaxa Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 What Pyro has KB now?? lol you know alot about the AC! While snipers in their current state imo are not OP. They still have a huge advantage over Pyros. Pyros are always in your face, they cant be hiding in anyway and deal their damage. 35-40m range is a HUGE advantage over 4m-10m Pyros fight in. And by the way, it's snipers that have the KB not Pyros. This is correct. Also, to argue that snipers as a pure dps class are broken (which may be true) should not mean that PTs should be broken too. This game is already dominated by force-using characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu_Bei Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 This is correct. Also, to argue that snipers as a pure dps class are broken (which may be true) should not mean that PTs should be broken too. This game is already dominated by force-using characters. I mean that it should be balanced within some respect. My point is that the changes will have a marginal effect overall, and the three people beating their war drums know it. Pyrotechs are overpowered right now, and reducing their effect a little bit isn't even going to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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