HelinCarnate Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 and... lol this game is never going to be f2p. sorry :/ f2p means pay to win You can play LotRO without spending a dime and still unlock all the content. How is that pay to win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quip Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 You can play LotRO without spending a dime and still unlock all the content. How is that pay to win? He read it somewhere on a forum. It has to be true. Just like the TORtanic nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phinion Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 A bajillion people come to play this game and Bioware makes reee-donkulous amounts of money. The internet hounds will bark and whine "fail, fail, fail" but the truth is that freemium flat out makes more money than P2P unless you're WoW. It's still much too early to make such a drastic move though, freemium conversions need to be very carefully considered and planned. You need merely look at some of the games that have made that switch to see how it can be done (Turbine) and how it most definitely shouldn't be done (Sony). Of course Sony as a whole is a fine example of how a great many things shouldn't be done. I like the Sony part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunsoar Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 You can play LotRO without spending a dime and still unlock all the content. How is that pay to win? LOL What a load of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfeisberg Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 LOL What a load of crap. Why do you say it is a load of crap? Cause he is telling the 100% truth, you can buy everything that the store has without ever spending a dime. You gain Turbine points for playing the game, which in turn are used to buy things from the store. yes it would take grinding to do that, but it can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorun Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 This game is never going to go F2P. I even know this and i hunt fanbois and make fun of them...... a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Exile Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Rift lost 200k subs after the first month, pretty sure its not F2P yet, and it only started with 1.5 mil sooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elyx Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 LOL What a load of crap. Your ignorant. Please don't open your mouth unless you really know something. I've done it myself. I initially paid the montly fee to be premium, then decided to try out this claim that you can play the entire game for free. And you can. there are some caveats though. It's an amazing system, but it still boils down to time vs. money. grinding out all the quests (even low level ones), unlocking all your virtues (more grinding), etc. you get turbine points every time you finish a quest, unlock a virtue, complete a deed (tons of deed in the game...7-10 per zone), you get points. you use points to do various things, from unlocking new zones to buying crafting materials when you don't want to farm for them. Thing is...if you simply go out and do everything in the game...you get points !! or you can buy points in the store. or you can pay 15$ a month and get open access to the game, and 500 points a month to spend on whatever. there is absolutely nothing in LotRO that you can't get by just playing the entire game. There are even websites that map it out for you. It's not hard to find that information. and on the note of F2P...its an old old superstition that only dying games go f2p (actually transaction based really, but like i said...you can stil get it all for free if you work hard enough.) LotRO actually went transaction based when they saw how profitiable it was with DDO...they had seen no drop in their customer base prior to that, it wasn't an emergency reaction (though it was for DDO). but even with DDO, it completely revitalized the game. the secret behind PtP/MicTrans/whatever you want to call it isn't that it robs it's playerbase and makes them pay more...it's that it attracts more people...some who will play free, and some who will pay to play. So the average per player goes down, but the available player base increases exponentially, giving them a greater profit overall. I was against PtP up until i saw LotRO's model. Now, I really don't like some of the "marketing changes" they made to the game...like adding bigger then necessary buttons to access the store. or having huge "hey, if you pay points you can unlock this quest!"icon above NPC's heads. But the system is hard to beat. I could care less if It goes PtP as long as I can still do the 15 a month option for full access (like LotRO did). It really is the best of both worlds. But...if they stick with the monthly fee option I wouldn't argue either. Im paying 15 a month for this game because I enjoy it, and thats good enough for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaftyMcShaft Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 LOL What a load of crap. http://lotro.mmorsel.com/2011/01/realizing-free-to-play-dream.html Here's a dude who's unlocked all the LOTRO content and almost all the features and only spent $10. That's pretty hardcore, and I wouldn't recommend doing that, but watching sales and spending wisely you can get everything out of LOTRO for $60 or so without having to grind. And no it's not "pay to win" as you can't buy top-end items or anything, it's mostly content or things like character slots. It's still way more content for way less money. If you're subbed to SWTOR from release through March you've basically given BW/EA $100 to beta test their game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunsoar Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Why do you say it is a load of crap? Cause he is telling the 100% truth, you can buy everything that the store has without ever spending a dime. You gain Turbine points for playing the game, which in turn are used to buy things from the store. yes it would take grinding to do that, but it can be done. You're going to essentially do the longest and worst grind of your life to get 800 TP for one expansion? Then turn around and get 1400 TP or w.e Isengard costs nowadays again? I played a Warden to 44 on the free content, but not really since I was a VIP for a month or two and I bought Mines of Moria Expansion. From 1-44ish I earned maybe 200-300 TP from grinding Deeds and what not. While it is feasible to do it MAYBE and get all the content ( I won't presume to know the amount of TP earned through free content) It is not possible to get all of LOTROs content for FREE unless you're a jobless, basement dwelling, life sucking mammas boy. (IF it is even possible) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthBloodloss Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 If it goes F2P you wont have to worry as there will be 2 or 3 new MMOs out by that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elyx Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 http://lotro.mmorsel.com/2011/01/realizing-free-to-play-dream.html Here's a dude who's unlocked all the LOTRO content and almost all the features and only spent $10. That's pretty hardcore, and I wouldn't recommend doing that, but watching sales and spending wisely you can get everything out of LOTRO for $60 or so without having to grind. And no it's not "pay to win" as you can't buy top-end items or anything, it's mostly content or things like character slots. It's still way more content for way less money. If you're subbed to SWTOR from release through March you've basically given BW/EA $100 to beta test their game. Thats a nice little article. Although it's even easier now, since some of the upper expansions (such as mirkwood) they have opened for f2p. But I did pretty much what he did...filled up my slots with characters, leveled every one up to 20 or so, used those points to unlock the next area, etc. if one of you characters outlevels the others, and runs out of zones to play, you camp them in an inn (too collect rested exp of course!) and level a few of the others until your points grow. Team up with guildees to grind out the higher level deeds and gain the points from them. things like that.If SwTOR put together a similar model, I think that many people would be pleasantly suprised, and many people who quit the game would come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaManoNera Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I would play it. I don't see how $15 a month for a single player game is justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaftyMcShaft Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I would play it. I don't see how $15 a month for a single player game is justified. Yeah, I think SWTOR would have been better as f2p anyway, releasing new chapters to the class stories or new planets as mini-expansions. More like xbox Live DLC. As is it's just not a game worth paying a subscription for, since it's not really an mmo. It's a single-player game with multiplayer support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfcsoulja Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I would play it. I don't see how $15 a month for a single player game is justified. That's interesting. . .I could of sworn I ran through EV with guildmates and 2 randoms last night. . .Maybe they were NPCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaManoNera Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 That's interesting. . .I could of sworn I ran through EV with guildmates and 2 randoms last night. . .Maybe they were NPCs. So, you stood around in a main lobby waiting for other people to group up for one specific instance to run through? How is that any different than Diablo, or Phantasy Star Online, or Mass Effect 3's multiplayer? Aside from costing $15 a month (which the online RPGs I mentioned don't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfeisberg Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) So, you stood around in a main lobby waiting for other people to group up for one specific instance to run through? How is that any different than Diablo, or Phantasy Star Online, or Mass Effect 3's multiplayer? Aside from costing $15 a month (which the online RPGs I mentioned don't). How is that any different then Rift or WoW? Those MMOs are single player with multi-player aspects as well I suppose. Edited February 22, 2012 by Wolfeisberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norumaniac Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Yeah, I think SWTOR would have been better as f2p anyway, releasing new chapters to the class stories or new planets as mini-expansions. More like xbox Live DLC. As is it's just not a game worth paying a subscription for, since it's not really an mmo. It's a single-player game with multiplayer support. Thats a cool idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illgot Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 if they go Free To Play my spending goes from 15 a month to about 100 a month buying small things for my characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oofpez Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 How is that any different then Rift or WoW? Those MMOs are single player with multi-player aspects as well I suppose. It's different because they have a tool which they click, and the system matches them into a group, while they wait. Oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzle_flash Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 If it goes F2P? Everyone involved in the project will struggle to find work making sprites for iphone games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnduane Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Also, most of the microtransactions that Blizzard does are almost as expensive as a one month sub to the game, and the fact that you have to pay for server transfers and such are a good chunk of the money they're making from the game. The guild I was in when I was playing WoW had 127 characters transfer to a different server. That was a cost (collectively) of $3175.00 and it is just 1 example. It happens all the time. Name change costs money, you can pay to change faction (which is accomplished in less than 1/2 hour with all mounts and armor changing - it's amazing technology). Their mount and pet store makes Fannie and Freddie drool. That game is and has been a cash cow that never ever ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartnyc Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 The same thing that would happen if WoW merged with SWTOR. Who knows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volksworgen Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Bioware should have never picked on this MMO because I am pretty sure it's going to fail HARD once GW2, D3 and MoP comes out. GW2 alone delivers more than this game can ever dream of delivering. Bioware's name will turn into **** because of this game's failure. They should have stayed with SP games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartnyc Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Bioware should have never picked on this MMO because I am pretty sure it's going to fail HARD once GW2, D3 and MoP comes out. GW2 alone delivers more than this game can ever dream of delivering. Bioware's name will turn into **** because of this game's failure. They should have stayed with SP games. I am pretty sure you aren't sure about what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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