Aurbere Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 This didn't need to be brought back, Vader still slaughters Revan. As I am about to prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Oh, this thread. Great. Well, since I'm here... Vader wins. He is simply a better fighter. For those who don't know, allow me to prove it. As a lightsaber duelist, Vader's Form was without any real weakness. He was an undisputed master of Form V, and incorporated the strengths of all seven Forms into his fighting style. The only real weakness in his fighting style was his lack of mobility. However, he has shown that being faster and more agile does not mean much in several of his engagements. Even before his internment in the suit, Vader had bested legendary figures such as Count Dooku in lightsaber combat. In comparison, Revan's greatest dueling feat is against Darth Malak. Vader is also a physical beast. He has been shot, torched by a flamethrower, had limbs removed, survived immediate proximity to high-grade explosives (even the explosion of a fully loaded Y-Wing bomber), buried alive for days, and he has even walked off a stab through the chest. Vader's also the smarter fighter. He has learned from the lessons of victory and defeat, taking after the tactical viewpoints of both his masters. Like Obi-Wan Kenobi said, "A fight is never a goal in itself. Sometimes it is simply a distraction-from the true goal- and best countered with a larger distraction." Vader was an expert in misdirection and taking advantage of the weaknesses of an opponent. He is also a dueling tactician. He has been likened to a droid programmed to know every Jedi fighting style and to predict and anticipate every action an opponent will take. In comparison, Revan's only noted tactical strategies in combat have been recognizing an opponent's weaknesses and exploiting them. But how do you exploit the weaknesses of a man whose entire fighting style is designed to defend against such attacks? As far as Force users go, there's no contest. Vader is a monster with telekinesis, and has used it in a variety of ways. He has quite easily used telekinesis to hurl starfighters and various other large objects, even destroying buildings with absolute ease. He has had little difficulty ripping through the Force Barriers of opposing Force users to telekinetically thrash them. He was a master of Force Choke, and has even used Force Crush on several occasions. He has even used telekinesis in the middle of lightsaber combat to thrash his opponents with anything not bolted down. Vader was also a master of defensive applications of the Force, including Tutaminis and powerful Force Barriers. Regarding Force-based telepathy, Vader has used telepathy to tear the minds of his foes asunder and rip information from them, sometimes without them even knowing it. In comparison, Revan has "moved" some asteroids (circumstantial game-mechanics), reflected Force lightning, and shown some impressive Force Healing. "But Revan has Force lightning! Vader is super-weak to Force lightning!" OK, let's assume he is. Through pure rage and the power of the Dark Side, Vader has survived for days with a severely damaged suit. Damaging the suit is a good way to get Vader angry, and when Vader gets angry, he destroys a building with the power of his voice and massacres everything he sees. Vader dominates Revan in every field that we can measure. He is a far better duelist. He has far greater physical capabilities. He is smarter. He is the more powerful Force user. Vader is simply the superior being. In short: Vader still slaughters Revan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Oh, and having variety in Force abilities is great and all, but that didn't help much against Vitiate, did it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) Another thing, this whole Force Lightning argument is really silly....because honestly alot of biological beings haven't had much success in withstanding it either(aside from Maul, but that was just against a Nightsister not a fully trained master of The Force) so why is this suddenly some great weakness for Vader? It isn't really, especially when you consider that he lived long enough after getting hit with Palp's lighting to talk with Luke before dying. But aside from that, it's not really a trump card seeing as he can use his lightsaber to block it. Anyway just wanted to say that, Vader still stomps Revan. Edited March 12, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) Another thing, this whole Force Lightning argument is really silly....because honestly alot of biological beings haven't had much success in withstanding it either(aside from Maul, but that was just against a Nightsister not a fully trained master of The Force) so why is this suddenly some great weakness for Vader? It isn't really, especially when you consider that he lived long enough after getting hit with Palp's lighting to talk with Luke before dying. But aside from that, it's not really a trump card seeing as he can use his lightsaber to block it. Anyway just wanted to say that, Vader still stomps Revan. The suit itself does have vulnerability to Force lightning, but we've seen him survive despite a severely damaged suit. And that's even if Revan manages to last long enough to do anything to damage it, successful or not. Revan puts up a 'good' fight, I think, but he is clearly outclassed. Edited March 12, 2014 by Aurbere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) The suit itself does have vulnerability to Force lightning, but we've seen him survive despite a severely damaged suit. And that's even if Revan manages to last long enough to do anything to damage it, successful or not. Revan puts up a 'good' fight, I think, but he is clearly outclassed. The suit sure, but even the suit has withstood lighting and the only time the suit was servely damaged was from Palps Lighting making it irrepairable. But yeah, Revan is done. Edited March 12, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharkmoon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 And vader has been invented 37 years ago, so its not hard to find out what he can really do. Revan has been invented 11 years ago so we don't really know his true potential now do we? facts are useful in an argument but they cant be made to change other people's opinions. That is why this thread might last for 30 years. Revan. Vader. Revan. Vader. Never stopping. You have good proof but Revan has only been in video games where he is CONTROLLED by the player or fought by the player. while Vader has Comics, novels, movies, etc. Give it 30 years and we will have more valid info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 And vader has been invented 37 years ago, so its not hard to find out what he can really do. Revan has been invented 11 years ago so we don't really know his true potential now do we? facts are useful in an argument but they cant be made to change other people's opinions. That is why this thread might last for 30 years. Revan. Vader. Revan. Vader. Never stopping. You have good proof but Revan has only been in video games where he is CONTROLLED by the player or fought by the player. while Vader has Comics, novels, movies, etc. Give it 30 years and we will have more valid info. I've seen this argument so many times. At this point, I take it as an official and unconditional surrender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) And vader has been invented 37 years ago, so its not hard to find out what he can really do. Revan has been invented 11 years ago so we don't really know his true potential now do we? facts are useful in an argument but they cant be made to change other people's opinions. That is why this thread might last for 30 years. Revan. Vader. Revan. Vader. Never stopping. You have good proof but Revan has only been in video games where he is CONTROLLED by the player or fought by the player. while Vader has Comics, novels, movies, etc. Give it 30 years and we will have more valid info. ...Yeah I don't think Revan is gonna be lasting 30 years. In fact he's pretty much done at this point. Edited March 12, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 The suit sure, but even the suit has withstood lighting and the only time the suit was servely damaged was from Palps Lighting making it irrepairable. But yeah, Revan is done. Done like dinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 ...Yeah I don't think Revan is gonna be lasting 30 years. In fact he's pretty much done at this point. Revan will be forgotten with time. Vader will live forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharkmoon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Revan will be forgotten with time. Vader will live forever. With SWTOR and KOTOR I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 With SWTOR and KOTOR I doubt it. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 With SWTOR and KOTOR I doubt it. .....Let me know when Revan becomes one of the biggest icons in pop culture then we can talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharkmoon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) .....Let me know when Revan becomes one of the biggest icons in pop culture then we can talk. Being remembered and being an icon of pop culture are two different things..... Edited March 12, 2014 by Dharkmoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSquirrel Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Being remembered and being an icon of pop culture are two different things..... Not when it comes to science fiction/space fantasy franchises... Sorry dude, but Revan has been thoroughly thrashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I love Revan (no h*mo), but still...it would end like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) LOL, Exar Kun is 20 years old and we are totally going to forget about him in the next decade, right? In regards to the thread, I can't be bothered to wade through the trolling and biased to bother with an opinion. Edited March 12, 2014 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trixdope Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Vader would be asking sidious for a new jaw if Revan and him ever fought lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) LOL, Exar Kun is 20 years old and we are totally going to forget about him in the next decade, right? In regards to the thread, I can't be bothered to wade through the trolling and biased to bother with an opinion. Perhaps I should have been more clear on that, Revan isn't gonna have anything more on him any time soon unless he comes back. Because out of his 11 years, he hasn't been anything impressive compared to Vader. How long a character is around, doesn't exactly matter of how good they would be in combat that is just a poor argument really. It's not like there is some waiting period that every character has to go through. Edited March 12, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) Perhaps I should have been more clear on that, Revan isn't gonna have anything more on him any time soon unless he comes back. Because out of his 11 years, he hasn't been anything impressive compared to Vader. How long a character is around, doesn't exactly matter of how good they would be in combat that is just a poor argument really. It's not like there is some waiting period that every character has to go through.Yeah I totally understand and agree with that, I was more referring to the sentiment put forward by others that Revan will for some reason be 'forgotten' cause he's lame or something. Which is rather LOLworthy. Though its possible Revan may return in the near future. Edited March 12, 2014 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 LOL, Exar Kun is 20 years old and we are totally going to forget about him in the next decade, right? Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) Who? Revan, the fanbois, and you the haters that's who. Edited March 12, 2014 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Revan, the fanbois, and you the haters that's who. Hater? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Hater? Really?Sadly, yes. And it grows awfully tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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