trklol Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 i'm going to ask this question in hopes of getting a reasonable response: how do you justify operative/scoundrel having more burst than assassin/shadow, while also having more group utility, armour, and the ability to self heal? No it not true. Scoundrel/Operative may have a better burst on OPEN . Then their DPS is much lower than the assassin one . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Scattered_ Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Scoundrel/Operative may have a better burst on OPEN . Then their DPS is much lower than the assassin one . We don't have any burst on open. What we do have is equivalent burst 5 seconds after the opener on a 1 minute and 15 second cd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmerroth Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Sorc Player here: As much as they Piss me off i dont really think they are OP yes they got crazy burst when they begin the fight but thats it. I personally think all Classes are Balanced pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halofax Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 The issue with Operatives is that they do everything a stealth assassin does but better. that isnt balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halofax Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 No it not true. Scoundrel/Operative may have a better burst on OPEN . Then their DPS is much lower than the assassin one . This wouldnt be a problem if anyone ever survived the opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addzffs Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Ok scoundrels... I am a bounty hunter merc healer, got champion gear just missing boots.. Ok I got killed by a scoundrel before eving being able to hit him, yes he killed me within 5 seconds and thats OP? No other class i face can do that much damage in so short time, its not even healable. it felt like being a lvl 20 that gets ganked by a 50 Edited January 21, 2012 by addzffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Rinzler- Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I got knocked into fire by a bounty hunter, inquisitor and warrior, died instantly without any chance to fight back. Same thing happend to me on a bridge in the doors match. 1 button to insta kill me? OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addzffs Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 So you got killed by the fire and being knocked down from the bridge.. I got stabbed by a scoundrel and killed by his spells within 5 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blarse Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 i'm going to ask this question in hopes of getting a reasonable response: how do you justify operative/scoundrel having more burst than assassin/shadow, while also having more group utility, armour, and the ability to self heal? Did you really just say that Operatives/Scoundrels have more group utility than assassin/shadow? o_O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kallio Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 i'm going to ask this question in hopes of getting a reasonable response: how do you justify operative/scoundrel having more burst than assassin/shadow, while also having more group utility, armour, and the ability to self heal? Are you on drugs ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staysa Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 i'm going to ask this question in hopes of getting a reasonable response: how do you justify operative/scoundrel having more burst than assassin/shadow, while also having more group utility, armour, and the ability to self heal? not sure if serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abanoth Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 As if pvp gear doesn't totally negate any balance effort anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KorwinOfAmber Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) not sure if serious? I think he means the Concealment spec vs Deception assassin. If both classes spec purely for damage - Operative have a clear advantage. Plus the medium armor and basic healing abilities. Assassin becomes really strong if utilizing his tanking capacities - but on a loss of damage. Assassin is tank, OP is a healer. Hybrid sin is good, so is hybrid OP. DPS Sin is squishy light armor glass cannon with useless guard. DPS Operative is better squishy medium armor glass cannon with useless heals. Edited January 21, 2012 by KorwinOfAmber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blarse Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I think he means the Concealment spec vs Deception assassin. If both classes spec purely for damage - Operative have a clear advantage. Plus the medium armor and basic healing abilities. Assassin becomes really strong if utilizing his tanking capacities - but on a loss of damage. Assassin is tank, OP is a healer. Hybrid sin is good, so is hybrid OP. DPS Sin is squishy light armor glass cannon with useless guard. DPS Operative is better squishy medium armor glass cannon with useless heals. Even in Deception spec an Assassin can use his taunts to lower damage to his allies, that right there is much more group utility than an Operative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KorwinOfAmber Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Even in Deception spec an Assassin can use his taunts to lower damage to his allies, that right there is much more group utility than an Operative. Operative get basic heals which makes him as effective as "healer" as DPS sorc. (actually more effective, since his heals are instant/shorter cast time unlike sorc so he can actually use them in combat.) Edited January 21, 2012 by KorwinOfAmber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staysa Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) I think he means the Concealment spec vs Deception assassin. If both classes spec purely for damage - Operative have a clear advantage. Plus the medium armor and basic healing abilities. Assassin becomes really strong if utilizing his tanking capacities - but on a loss of damage. Assassin is tank, OP is a healer. Hybrid sin is good, so is hybrid OP. DPS Sin is squishy light armor glass cannon with useless guard. DPS Operative is better squishy medium armor glass cannon with useless heals. The assassin still has a gap closer over the operative :/ and the AE knockdown > flashbang in almost every circumstance And aren't assassin buffs on PTR? Edited January 21, 2012 by staysa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lardito Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Operative get basic heals which makes him as effective as "healer" as DPS sorc. (actually more effective, since his heals are instant/shorter cast time unlike sorc so he can actually use them in combat.) Concealment op has 3 second heal. No instant. We also get a 1.5 sec small heal that uses our tactical advantage. If I stop to heal, I die. Or the other guy just uses those 3 secs to get to safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raice Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I think he means the Concealment spec vs Deception assassin. If both classes spec purely for damage - Operative have a clear advantage. Plus the medium armor and basic healing abilities. Assassin becomes really strong if utilizing his tanking capacities - but on a loss of damage. Assassin is tank, OP is a healer. Hybrid sin is good, so is hybrid OP. DPS Sin is squishy light armor glass cannon with useless guard. DPS Operative is better squishy medium armor glass cannon with useless heals. Oh... right... sure.... So the obvious solution to this problem is to drag the one working correctly, down in with the ones that aren't. Let's forget all about the other solution..... FIXING THE OTHER CLASS! Even if this assessment of Assassin is true, it has nothing to do with justifying this nerf. Our class worked really well so long as there weren't ridiculous buffs going on. It wasn't the class - it was the Buffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raice Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Concealment op has 3 second heal. No instant. We also get a 1.5 sec small heal that uses our tactical advantage. If I stop to heal, I die. Or the other guy just uses those 3 secs to get to safety. This happens every single time. I've had every kind of healing adjustment in my Scrapper build you can think of, and it is just simply pointless. If you're at the point during the middle of the fight that you feel you suddenly need to do an emergency 3 sec stationary heal that is at best only going to net you 1.8k and is guaranteed to end up taking no less than 5 seconds, if it manages to cast at all because of the ridiculous knockback on damage or they actually do something smart like Interrupt, you're going to die. You're better off using that time to lose LoS - you might die, but your odds of survival at least exist. You will never get the heal off unless you Groin Kick or Flashbang first, in which case you have probably already used both of those in order to get behind the target to use Back Blast or... I mean there is never the case where you have either of these available. In any event, assuming the other guy doesn't run away - healing in the middle of the fight... they will always out-damage you and you will always die. It's an observable fact. If you manage to get away, and someone on your team comes to your rescue... sure... it's somewhat handy then, but not really because you have the heal anyway, and any sort of adjustment you can do on it with a Scrapper build is applying minimum increase. You're better off just using Recovery. Either way, you're pretty much in some dark corner somewhere realizing you just got the crap kicked out of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts