Talorra Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 i just wish guardians GOT searing saber Or at least a +30% crit talent. EVERY dps class has +30% crit dmg to SOMETHING in their trees. Vigiliance guardians? ...nope, screw us XD Force Rush 2/2? http://www.torhead.com/ability/dSFTpkY/force-rush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamzaBehoulve Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Please correct me if I'm wrong, but 30% extra base is not better than 30% extra to crit damage, especially when Zen is up (which is often). My dots crit more of then than they don't, so I'm hardly seeing that 30% base anyway. +30% dot base damage is better, it will apply to all damage including critical hits instead of only crits, hence why they will buff up plasma blade a little. Edited January 21, 2012 by RamzaBehoulve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse- Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Please correct me if I'm wrong, but 30% extra base is not better than 30% extra to crit damage, especially when Zen is up (which is often). My dots crit more of then than they don't, so I'm hardly seeing that 30% base anyway. You're going to max out at ~60% dot crit chance if you do everything in your power to do max it. That's at least 40% of your dots that don't crit, possibly pushing it down to 30% if you use zen on availability. However, 30% base damage >>>> 30% crit damage. If you do 100 damage per dot, with a 75% crit multiplier you do 175 on crits. Adding 30% for a 105 crit multiplier at 100 damage you do 205 on crits. If you start at 130 damage per dot, with the 75% crit multipler you do 227.5 damage per dot. Edited January 21, 2012 by Apocalypse- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talorra Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Got it, thank you both. So with plasma blades bringing the baseline up, and searing saber bringing the crit damage up, we should still see that overall increase that was mentioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse- Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Got it, thank you both. So with plasma blades bringing the baseline up, and searing saber bringing the crit damage up, we should still see that overall increase that was mentioned? My guess is that Plasma Blades will be put back to 30%, up from 6%. This will actually net us 6% raw damage loss from Dots (We currently get 36% from Searing/Plasma combined). However, the 30% crit multiplier should even that out, and so long as you're above a 30% base crit chance before buffs, you should actually average about 15% increase from the crit multipler being active every-other-dot, so you would logically be ~5-10% ahead in damage so long as you keep your crit chance high. However, that's ONLY increasing our Dot damage, which should make up 30-50% of our damage. Hard to say without a combat log just how much it does. Edited January 21, 2012 by Apocalypse- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReFlexionn Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) +30% dot base damage is better, it will apply to all damage including critical hits instead of only crits, hence why they will buff up plasma blade a little. edit: nvm, i found it Edited January 21, 2012 by ReFlexionn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugara Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 This is exactly what is going on. In an upcoming patch, this will correctly add to crit damage of bleed/burn effects instead of base damage. To compensate, Plamsa Blades / Hemorrhage will contribute more base damage to bleed/burn effects. This will result in a slight overall increase in damage output. As always, thank you for your feedback! -Cameron This is probably the reason we don't have a combat log because everything in this game is broken. Amazes me how your company would put this much time/money into a game and simply not care to make sure things are right. I understand bugs here in there but this is ridiculous. Honestly could you tell us what does work in this game as intended? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremalu Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Guys calm down.. there is no reason to be upset, yes it was bugged, yes it is kind of bad they didn't notice it earlier... but they are working to give us a great game to play with... let them work no need to be rude or stuff like that grow up... every single MMO has bug on release... every single one! BTW i don't know if you realize how big their code must be... i bet it's very easy to miss a little stuff like that... It must be like 2 line over 1 billion:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicolatron Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 BTW i don't know if you realize how big their code must be... i bet it's very easy to miss a little stuff like that... It must be like 2 line over 1 billion:eek:I hope it's not 1 line with over 80 billion characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlawe Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 so, let me get this straight, right now, if I am specced in Searing Sabre and Plasma Blades, I should have 36% increase to base damage burn effects? Or is one overwriting the other, such that we are (currently) only getting 30% or 6%? I want to spec optimally! I already respecced it out and missed the base damage 30% increase update post, because there are like a million whine threads all saying the same thing ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlawe Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) I need a reply to see whether I should respecc or not, and then Queue up for WZs time is precious (I don't neccessarily mean from Devs) Edited January 25, 2012 by Outlawe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunwindIon Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 can anyone confirm whether this change made it into todays patch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagimpster Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 can anyone confirm whether this change made it into todays patch? http://www.swtor.com/patchnotes It doesn't look like anything was changed to setinal officially Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunwindIon Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 http://www.swtor.com/patchnotes It doesn't look like anything was changed to setinal officially well yes. I mean undocumented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagimpster Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 well yes. I mean undocumented. it will take a bit longer for some one to actually get on and test it.... even more so most people are working, or at school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumri Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 By base damage does he mean the amount of damage the DoT does without any gear at level 50? If so then this bug is a DPS loss for more geared Sentinels/Marauders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infouser Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 And ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superawesomerman Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Its a posted fix in 1.1.2 Holy **** we're gonna get nerfed in 1.1.3 Inc 2k dot crits. edit : so reading it, we're getting 9% damage on dots and 30% extra crit damage Ohhhhhhh emmmmm geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Edited February 2, 2012 by Superawesomerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvbdragon Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 maybe i can do 400k dmg in warzones then under lvl 50 highest so far was 320k as watchman <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse- Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Its a posted fix in 1.1.2 Holy **** we're gonna get nerfed in 1.1.3 Inc 2k dot crits. edit : so reading it, we're getting 9% damage on dots and 30% extra crit damage Ohhhhhhh emmmmm geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee We're actually LOSING a raw 21% damage (36% total becomes 15% total), but gaining 30% crit multiplier. It's not really going to be much of a buff unless you've got almost <20% surge. Edited February 2, 2012 by Apocalypse- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunwindIon Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 hooray fixed in the next patch! shame pacify is getting nerfed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superawesomerman Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 We're actually LOSING a raw 19% damage (36% total becomes 15% total), but gaining 30% crit multiplier. It's not really going to be much of a buff unless you've got almost <20% surge. How are we losing raw damage? I must have missed something, knew it was too good to be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse- Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 How are we losing raw damage? I must have missed something, knew it was too good to be true Searing Saber currently gives you 30% dot damage, rather than dot crit damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaRockStar Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I would rather have 30% increase to all DoT damage. Now instead it will be only a +30% damage to crits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexysolo Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 We are getting a decent buff. Searing Saber: 30% base damage -> 30% crit damage Without combat logs it's hard to tell how much this lowers our DPS. Zen is up way too often for this to have a huge affect in my opinion. Plasma Blades: 6% base damage -> 15% base damage We can't forget about this. Changes to Searing Saber and Plasma Blades result in an overall increase in Damage Per Second. I was already super happy with sentinel DPS in operations. I'm shocked they actually increased our DPS. I'm pretty st0ked :] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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