Rizzit Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) All of you... remember this Tread, for all you know about this class is... s.h.i.t.All of you... remember this Tread, for all you know about this game is... s.h.i.t.All of you... remember this Tread, for the day you will see what none of you is seeing.All of you... remember this Tread, and prepare to redefine OPness. Rizzit will show you... soon Edited January 17, 2012 by Rizzit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NessusFett Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 All of you... remember this Tread, for all you know about this class is... s.h.i.t. All of you... remember this Tread, for all you know about this game is... s.h.i.t. All of you... remember this Tread, for the day you will see what none of you is seeing. All of you... remember this Tread, and prepare to redefine OPness. Rizzit will show you... soon pretty sure i've seen that on a bathroom stall once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrifedRevan Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 I'm going to be blunt about you guys that are claiming 400k damage done in warfronts. If you are doing that much damage in say Huttball then you are either on a premade and are farming people, or you are completely ignoring all objectives and are focusing only on killing people. If you are actually assisting in running the ball (getting into position, assisting with CCs, passing, etc..) then you simply don't have enough time to be pulling that much damage as an assassin. If you are actually playing for the objectives then I think it's much more common to be in the low to mid 200ks as an assassin. I'm usually the leader in warzones and I always direct people to their objects (stick with the ball at all times / all go mid, ill take left ) I admit I go for damage overall but I follow the ball and kill enemies trailing the ball carriers and bounty hunters spamming tracer missiles. If I catch the ball I make an effort to get to the goal with force sprint/shroud but if I don't have either of those I pass it back cause I'm not fit to hold the ball for long period of time. You can aim for damage overall/medals while still playing the objectives if you didn't know, I have enough burst now that I can effectively take out any threats to our teams success efficiently enough for my teamates to know I was the mvp that game (but if were getting blown out, ya I just ignore all objectives and go for new damage record) And no, I que in premades 5% of the time, I always go solo, premade q's take too long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astarica Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Doing 400K basically implies you were never able to kill their healer. Even camping the enemy at their spawn in Huttball won't get you past 300K reliably because there's only so much HP to be shared between 8 guys when the enemy pops out and dies instantly. The only exception to this is if you're on defend in Voidstar for first round, and the enemy never stopped running to their doom since attackers pretty much instantly respawn. This won't work if you attack first because you'd have won in like 3-4 minutes leaving you with not enough time to hit 400K on the defender round. Unfortunately failing to kill the healer usually implies your team is losing, so you really don't want to see high DPS numbers if at all possible. In most of my close games, the highest total DPS guy is someone on the losing team (usually a ranged DPS), not the winning team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominickz Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 meh, we do need a damage buff in some form or another that is true But right now its not "Horrible" enough to re-roll Sure I hate a mercenary spamming 4-6 tracer missiles just as much as the next guy considered I struggle to hit 5k with everything popped but hey, im pretty sure assassins will get there much needed love in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrifedRevan Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 sorry but youre wrong, with my new build I can take out healers pretty easily, the only problem I have killing a class are Powertechs, and I'm not sure why people think going for high dps individually always results in losses. If you can top 300-400k damage in a warzone you are efficiently taking out threats to the objectives, to show you high damage isn't about camping on a healer or a target being healed here are my warzone charts I've taken to test out different deception builds http://imageshack.us/f/696/62697980.png/ http://imageshack.us/f/217/42941480.png/ http://imageshack.us/f/856/45641885.png/ http://imageshack.us/f/525/56837809.png/ http://imageshack.us/f/443/highl.png/ http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7632/freb.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nocorras Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 sorry but youre wrong, with my new build I can take out healers pretty easily, the only problem I have killing a class are Powertechs, and I'm not sure why people think going for high dps individually always results in losses. If you can top 300-400k damage in a warzone you are efficiently taking out threats to the objectives, to show you high damage isn't about camping on a healer or a target being healed here are my warzone charts I've taken to test out different deception builds http://imageshack.us/f/696/62697980.png/ http://imageshack.us/f/217/42941480.png/ http://imageshack.us/f/856/45641885.png/ http://imageshack.us/f/525/56837809.png/ http://imageshack.us/f/443/highl.png/ http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7632/freb.png Pretty much this. I'm at the top 80%+ of the time and go for objectives. If deception gets a buff hahahah. People need to adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upzie Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) I just find it funny ppl its the ammount of dmg thats importent, and not the dps.... since ppl are sharing SS's I'll post a few to show you what I mean. http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7995/screenshot2012011723304.jpg http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7845/screenshot2012011620374.jpg http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6382/screenshot2012011601085.jpg http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2071/screenshot2012011501175.jpg http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1272/screenshot2012011419233.jpg Basicly you can have 50k dmg done, but if the actual dps is high, that means that you are alot more usefull than a person with more dmg done. Hope that makes abit of sense. Every one can drag out a game to gain more dmg done. Edited January 18, 2012 by upzie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epicopter Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I just find it funny ppl its the ammount of dmg thats importent, and not the dps.... since ppl are sharing SS's I'll post a few to show you what I mean. http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7995/screenshot2012011723304.jpg http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7845/screenshot2012011620374.jpg http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6382/screenshot2012011601085.jpg http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2071/screenshot2012011501175.jpg http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1272/screenshot2012011419233.jpg Basicly you can have 50k dmg done, but if the actual dps is high, that means that you are alot more usefull than a person with more dmg done. Hope that makes abit of sense. Every one can drag out a game to gain more dmg done. Yes, we do good dps, yes we can top damage charts but compared to other classes we just can't compete. If there is a Sorc at the same skill level as myself they are just going to blow damage far beyond anything I can possibly reach, same with commandos and juggernauts who crit for 5k+ with smash... On top of that we don't have nearly the survivability of other dps classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demolk Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I have a question , guys do you actually keep the champ's gear as it is or do you go crit/surge instead of power/accuracy ???? I mean for the modification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upzie Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) Yes, we do good dps, yes we can top damage charts but compared to other classes we just can't compete. If there is a Sorc at the same skill level as myself they are just going to blow damage far beyond anything I can possibly reach, same with commandos and juggernauts who crit for 5k+ with smash... On top of that we don't have nearly the survivability of other dps classes. If you really feel that your that weak with this class, reroll a class you feel are more to your likeing, I've never felt that I was not competetive on my assassin, be it in premade vs premade, pug vs pug or pug vs premade. I get the feeling that you are one of those that are the current point in time dont quite understand your role as assassin in this game. Edited January 18, 2012 by upzie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epicopter Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 If you really feel that your that weak with this class, reroll a class you feel are more to your likeing, I've never felt that I was not competetive on my assassin, be it in premade vs premade, pug vs pug or pug vs premade. I get the feeling that you are one of those that are the current point in time dont quite understand your role as assassin in this game. I know my role as an assassin, I love the playstyle and I don't want to reroll, I do very well in Warzones and people on my server aren't under the impression that there is an issue with my class at all. I burst down healers, I score goals in huttball, I guard players when they need it, I support my team by taunting. I just feel weaker compared to other classes, I don't have the burst DPS of an Operative, I don't have the sustained DPS or any where near the survivability of a Marauder. Even DPS Juggs on my server run around using their smash ability for upwards of 6k+ which is impossible for me to hit and they are extremely difficult to kill and they have all the utility I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nocorras Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) I have a question , guys do you actually keep the champ's gear as it is or do you go crit/surge instead of power/accuracy ???? I mean for the modification Yeah I kept champ gear. If you get multiple head tokens you can take the enhancement out and get mad surge/crit, the down side is you lose accuracy. Edited January 18, 2012 by Nocorras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punnyjunior Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 i only read the a few page if you wanna show your SS you should show when you are not in premade group with healer and fighting some nubs you surely can get a dam 500k dmg and 10+ medal and what ? every dam class can do the same or better if they have pocket heals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punnyjunior Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 k now my opinion im 50 sin with 57 valor full champs i agree with everything Op said but class is still playable ...... but other op classes would make your life easier a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stimike Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Honestly, I don't understand why people QQ on these threads. I'm a valor rank 53 Sin, I've 1v1ed every class in the game, and while I havent won every 1v1 due to stupid mistakes, I've never been like "Wow, theres no way I could have beat him" I've beaten fully champ geared ops, marauders, juggs, healers, you name it. My numbers in huttball damage wise arent all that great, but thats because thats not what I go for. I run in dark charge, with dps spec (deception) and dps gear (with shield gen) I taunt, I protect, and I kill. I slow ball runners, I knock them off ledges, I kill them. I'm not saying I'm better than you, I'm just saying you're doing it wrong, and its taken you 59 ranks to realize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackrJakz Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 The name might not be totally accurate but are some of you saying that you got lvl 50 and 50+ valor rank before you realized how the class played? ^^ lawl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowflab Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) i only read the a few page if you wanna show your SS you should show when you are not in premade group with healer and fighting some nubs you surely can get a dam 500k dmg and 10+ medal and what ? every dam class can do the same or better if they have pocket heals Watch some of Upzie's streams. He solo queues 90% of the time and puts up those kinds of numbers. Although he does buff hunt in WZs, and sometimes will run away and screw one of his teammates(very seldom but does happen), he is still a very capable foe and sometimes outlasts 2 opponents who are of equal level and gear. I have taken quite a bit of what I've learned watching a few different streams and meshed it with my own play style and all I can say is that its been a looooooong time since I've felt underpowered or weak. Edited January 18, 2012 by Cowflab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windkull Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I run around with full darkness, tank gear (because I don't have a dps set yet), crit/surge relic and definitely get the map buffs for crit/surge. With judicious use of all cooldowns, I've even taken out 1v3s against 2 50s and a 40s guy, but it did require getting the map heal... Even as a full tank spec, the other day I had a reckless, adrenal, map buff, relic, energize crit shock go for 4.5k first hit 2.3k second hit (took a guy down almost to half in one hit... force lightning then assassinate = 4 second kill... Hard to say that I feel under powered, just not as over powered as those Ops who popping everything can kill me in 1 stun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizzit Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 All of you... remember this Tread, for all you know about this class is... s.h.i.t. All of you... remember this Tread, for all you know about this game is... s.h.i.t. All of you... remember this Tread, for the day you will see what none of you is seeing. All of you... remember this Tread, and prepare to redefine OPness. Rizzit will show you... soon and the wait is over... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ICETeGAdkic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jatne Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 You guys couldn't be more wrong, Assassin/Shadow has every possible tool you need to succeed. If you guys simply don't like the class, reroll Operative. The class is NOT meant to be Rogue from ANOTHER GAME. Get used to it. There is only one major point where Assassin could be accused of falling short, lack of a charge for the endless Hutballs. To fix that all is needed is the return of the shadowstep from Beta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrifedRevan Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 and the wait is over... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ICETeGAdkic great video dude, but that wasn't the point to the thread, assassins are fun and can do damage, but like I said, their title doesn't resemble the class, I know that video you posted is pre patch 1.1, now that they nerfed the buffs you will find out we won't have as much burst anymore. Classes like Ops / Mercs can top the damage Assassins do when we hustle by lifting a pinky. Btw, all the assassins that know how to play the class can burst like you in the video, not trying to burst your bubble but its nothing special with biochem + stims pre patch 1.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthTerath Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Perhaps I am QQing, but I've tried to like the class, what I'm saying is this class doesn't really live up to its name. When you've got classes with much more utility than ours, they have advantages in almost every aspect of PVP. As assassin you have to be skilled to be a decent PVPer, but even when youre skilled, you results show for just as much as those who play as BH and just spam tracer missiles and Ops who crit for 6k and can bury lvl 50's at lvl 40. I think that may say more about the bounty hunter than assassin... You also said you go 50-1, how can you complain about not doing enough if you regularly go 50-1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesperr Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) and the wait is over... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ICETeGAdkic Biochem whoring. Killing non-50s. Solo huttball score against a noob team. Screen shaking during assassinate! More yellow press at eleven! If anyone wants to send us more of uber pvp videos here's a guide for you: -Fight against noob team. -Abuse abusables. -Record everything you can. -Pick the moments where you get lucky. -Make an uber pvp video from them. -... -PROFIT! Edited January 19, 2012 by Vesperr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epicopter Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 and the wait is over... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ICETeGAdkic A Juggernaut on my server can crit for over 8000 fully buffed, with Smash, a move that he can make sure gets a critical strike and hits multiple targets. Oh and Operatives can hit way harder on the same targets with those kinds of buffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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