Daecollo Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Its not the class, its the adrenal stacking. Relic + Expertise Pot + Adrenal = You Lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caultonpos Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 http://www.twitch.tv/cyferlawyn Scoundrel in action, nuff said indeed. I saw some pretty poor sustained damage. Yes some good opening bursts - 2k, 3k but he just had to run away one-on-one with some lightsabre dude. I think the whiners just need to gear up (which makes a huge difference) and then learn to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I am a BH with almost all but 1 champion piece and just did 2 back to back warzones against one melee OP and from full health he was able to get me down to 10% health before I could stand back up and then he would stun me again soon as I stood up and finish me off. This isn't the first time OP's be able to do this to me while I am fully geared. You cannot prepare for them as they are pretty much undetectable while in cloak and they kill you without being able to defend yourself in the least, to say they are not over power right now means you are a melee OP yourself and you just don't want the gravy train to end. These kinda professions kill the fun in PvP, SWG had spy that was pretty much the same and everyone abused it to the point where no one PvPed anymore and quit the game to the point where populations got so low they finally shut down the game. I am not one to say all profs are over powered because I think every other profession is nicely balanced, even sniper. It's just the melee OP who can kill anyone but tanks before they have any chance to fight back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtiMos Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 SWG had spy that was pretty much the same and everyone abused it to the point where no one PvPed anymore and quit the game to the point where populations got so low they finally shut down the game. SWG's spy after the update was not that OP as these guys over here.In SWG i was hunting spies with great success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyfex Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 indeed. I saw some pretty poor sustained damage. Yes some good opening bursts - 2k, 3k but he just had to run away one-on-one with some lightsabre dude. I think the whiners just need to gear up (which makes a huge difference) and then learn to play. That's the point, I can absolutely maul low geared characters and I am positive that the opener needs recalibration. But after that, the damage is fine, i really struggle to kill anyone with champ- or higher gear, most of the time i have to play double opener cheese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyHeaton Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Operatives are definitely too strong right now. =/ There's one on my server that can single handedly wreck our entire team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckern Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) Operatives are definitely too strong right now. =/ There's one on my server that can single handedly wreck our entire team. What if your team also has one? or even some guy who can actually play and then CCs the operative? This thread is hillarious. I miss the OP he disappeared for some reason Edited January 14, 2012 by Truckern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shizzaster Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 trinket w/e its called the opener and win when they have nothing else other then that dont be a lvl 10 in a warzone going against a lvl 50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jooji Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Anyone getting slaughtered by an operative is either: A) terrible or B) under 50 or 50 with no pvp gear You trinket the Hidden strike, then slow/snare them and GG. I'd much rather have an operative on me 1v1 than any other class... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joric Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Do any of you whiners even know the class or ever played it? Really? You're too lazy to figure out a strat against them so you come here crying and whining in your soup hoping BW takes notice and gimps the class. Players like you are what ruins MMOs. Learn to play your class then study operatives/scoundrels for weaknesses. Fracking lazy people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Karsk Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I have no problem with Operatives/Scoundrels. I must be a god or something from all those posts I see. Or maybe I just learned to play instead of whining, who knows. Or maybe the few Operatives you have played against just sucked ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosseking Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) trinket w/e its called the opener and win when they have nothing else other then that dont be a lvl 10 in a warzone going against a lvl 50 Dream on. At that point I might maybe escape, but most likely die anyway. Not even thinking about winning in my wildest dreams. Though I'm a gunslinger, so their burst is a pretty big problem. Anyone defending operatives / scoundrels saying how squishy they are, imagine your burst on just as weak targets as you are (no cover when stunned you see). It might not be as bad for more endurant classes, but it's just hilarious when an operative attacks me. Next time there's a good geared operative in the bg I will fraps it when he basically three shots me. I have some expertise (177) but it doesn't help. Edited January 14, 2012 by Bosseking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Karsk Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Do any of you whiners even know the class or ever played it? Really? You're too lazy to figure out a strat against them so you come here crying and whining in your soup hoping BW takes notice and gimps the class. Players like you are what ruins MMOs. Learn to play your class then study operatives/scoundrels for weaknesses. Fracking lazy people It is pretty clear you know nothing about the class or have been killed by one. What other class in TOR can do this ?and post video as proof ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos_Distortion Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I have no problem with Operatives/Scoundrels. I must be a god or something from all those posts I see. Or maybe I just learned to play instead of whining, who knows. It's a learn to play issue, people always try to get rogue classes nerfed in MMOs because the people that play rogue classes are usually better players over all. It's funny because even if rogues still get nerfed, those bad players will still be bad and will still get strafed/out maneuvered and ***** by a skilled rogue class player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarii Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 It is pretty clear you know nothing about the class or have been killed by one. What other class in TOR can do this ?and post video as proof ! So... an Op starting from stealth and critting twice can kill a squishy who takes no actions against them? SAY IT ISN'T SO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos_Distortion Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 So... an Op starting from stealth and critting twice can kill a squishy who takes no actions against them? SAY IT ISN'T SO! Lol +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosseking Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) So... an Op starting from stealth and critting twice can kill a squishy who takes no actions against them? SAY IT ISN'T SO! Which obviously justifies a class being indeed able to kill a pvp geared character in matter of seconds. I love the logic that's in play here. There are a lot of incredibly stupid stuff written on this forum every day. Most memorable topic for me was the guy wondering why people are whining about some classes being op even though you can ress immediately in bgs, so it doesn't matter if you die. I think we just need to accept that all the skilled players rolled operative / scoundrel. Rest just need to learn to play. Simple as that. BW better not touch the class because noobs don't know how to three shot players with their characters. Edited January 14, 2012 by Bosseking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarii Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I think we just need to accept that all the skilled players rolled operative / scoundrel. Rest just need to learn to play. I've highlighted all that's really worth reading from your post. But on a serious note, in the video posted you have an Op in literally perfect conditions for a kill. Someone standing still who doesn't use one of the 5-6 tools his class has available to him for dealing with exactly that situation. It's no wonder it looks OP. It's shot in such way that there's no other conclusion you could draw from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedhippo Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 i think u guys are missing the fact that the match-ups in WZs are ridiculous. the game sees putting lvl 20s on one team and putting all fully-geared 50s on the other team a fair fight. the problem isn't with imperial agent, the problem is that the matchmaking is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyfex Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 You should not overvalue a 5 second staged video, here: http://www.twitch.tv/cyferlawyn you will find hours of real world scoundrel performance, level 50, pvp rank 55 and all the problems you still have with the gear and biochem. Being kitet and CCed to death, near complete uselessness in huttball besides zerging etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedricshots Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 just roll biochem, its what the terribad pvpers do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paralassa Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Hi there! There is an active discussion thread for this topic: Scoundrels/Operatives ridculously OP. In the interest of consolidating discussion, we have closed this thread and ask that you use the one linked above for any further discussion. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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