TheJediCouncil Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I dont think this is a good idea. What happens when someone new comes along a year from now and wants to watch the FP cutscenes and the regular server pop has already seen it 100 times? That person will never find a group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leiloni Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) sorry, but this is story driven mmo. If you can't handle that, go play another game. QFT. /5char Edited January 11, 2012 by Leiloni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DammitCat Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Because it would end up being used by one majority or the other to put down the minority. Essentially it would cause the same problems that gearscore did in WoW: Do you get to experience content or do you not, because of X reason. If I'm on a server where there is a strong SPACEBAR majority, but I like to watch the cutscenes, my expereince is going to be negative because I would be discriminated against and unable to do FPs or OPs. Likewise, if I'm on a server with a strong STORY majority, but I have little time for cutscenes, my experience is going to be negative yada yada yada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelist Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 We like our name though! <Arrow To The Knee> Well then you should be forced to watch all cutscenes, because with an arrow to the knee you're certainly not moving fast enough to skip them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxhack Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) That is fine and I APPRECIATE the fact that you would not join when I put in the "no cutscene" disclaimer. I am glad a player like you who likes the story is a part of the community, I just prefer not to play together. No hate, no animosity, just don't want to group with you - that's all. An addon like this would improve player experiences by bringing like-minded players closer together. My first reaction on your OP was similar to most here, what a &!!@$#%** And I'm still not sure why you play this game with such (apparently) limited interest in the story- However, if you are explicitly stating "no cutscenes" when you are posting LFG, then the people who respond do so under those conditions, and so having a way to identify/ kick them may not be a bad suggestion/ request- Looking at the posts pointing out how such a tool could keep newer players from participating (which I agree could become a problem), maybe a better approach would be to incorporate the "no cutscenes" as a check-box option in any future LFG tool to give people LFG better control both ways Edited January 11, 2012 by Laxhack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minden Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Personally, I do not think an add-on would be the answer. I think it should be a group leader function similar to the different loot models. If the group leader turns on the "No cutscenes" flag, all cutscenes are automatically skipped by the game. This would allow players to drop the group as soon as they see the "No cutscene" flag turned on. Otherwise, if the flag is not enabled, players are free to watch the cutscenes without any issues. So, recommend it to BioWare. Not something I would use very often, but I can see the potential of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrkLore Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 It is an MMO, therefore you have to deal with different playing styles than just yourself. If you want to skip everything, play solo. This. I DO NOT support this option at all. All it would do is allow people who are enjoying the game the way Bioware intended (with storylines) to get bashed for doing just that. It's not like the cutscenes are ridiculously long, it won't kill you to listen to an NPC for a couple of extra minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imhotep Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 This is a plea to addon authors. When this game enables support for addons, someone please make one that identifies players who fail by not skipping group conversations with spacebar. This way I can quickly boot them from my group and try to find more efficient players to group with. When I spam my LFM, I already add "no cutscenes" but people still refuse to hit the spacebar sometimes. You are what is wrong with today's MMO community. I watch the cutscenes unless I have seen them before, then I might skip them...might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DredWes Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Yes, Bioware took the time to craft these stories and do the voice over work. If you are running BT 10 times in a row to get a particular armor piece, does it REALLY make sense to demand someone sit through all the cutscenes 10 times in a row for the sake of story? Yes, they demand it and they also demand you enjoy it or this is the wrong game for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knyghtprowler Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Sorry but thats the way how it is, you need to wait other Maybe you should consider single player game like counter strike where is no conversations. Bah useless post - Fact: Forcing one player to bend to another players play style WILL cause issues. One player choosing to SPEND extra time in his game and causing other players to waste theirs is not ever a good thing. Edit* Nevermind the griefing aspect of it all. In a year when just about everone has done these flash points... how many jag offs will still be in there not skipping cut scenes JUST to drive people nuts? Something needs to be done long term like allowign the group leader to set skippable content just like he can set loot rules. That is the only way to fix this. Edited January 11, 2012 by Knyghtprowler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jHats Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 ^ this. You can even call it <Spacebar Slammmers>, or <Cut the Cutscenes>, or <Impatient Imperials>, or maybe <Rushing Republic>, or even <ADD Troopers>. I was going to go with <Space Bar Warriors>, but we got imported and didnt want to re-make the guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorun Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Oh no. I read it. And it is just another discrimination addon like Gearscore. "I want a mod to tell me who to avoid". then read this. THIS is what the post is about. Having read this thread, I am simply appalled. Not at the OP. With many of the responders. The OP said he wanted a way to identify those who would not spacebar. He is obviously someone who is running FP repeatedly , NOT SOMEONE who is going through the various stories. He even puts a message when LFG that he intends to skip them. Now, if you want to focus on the story, that's perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with that. And , conversely, if you chose NOT to focus on the story, that's also fine in many cases, like in re-running FP -- or else Bioware wouldn't have put in the spacebar to bypass it in the first place. Yet the responses I see bash the OP for stating he wants to enjoy the game his way instead of your way , with one completely hypocritical post calling him elitist...because he didn't measure up to the elitist "you must read the story" demands of the responder. Yes, Bioware took the time to craft these stories and do the voice over work. If you are running BT 10 times in a row to get a particular armor piece, does it REALLY make sense to demand someone sit through all the cutscenes 10 times in a row for the sake of story? If you cannot bother to respond to the above , then please, stop trolling. Magynn -- Thyaan -- Charun -- Server : Krath not my post but its worth re-posted for you trollers. Edited January 11, 2012 by Thorun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racsofp Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) let me know what server and character names so that I can ignore you and not waste your time.Not to be rude, but he's the guy advertising his group with the message "no cutscenes". I'm amazed at how many people on this thread seem to be just looking to flame someone and act all indignant about something for no reason. If this guy joins YOUR group and starts complaining at you to hit the spacebar you have a legit issue with him. If YOU join HIS group which clearly says, "NO CUTSCENES", it's on you to hit the spacebar and if you don't, he has every right to kick your butt out of his group. I don't agree with playing the game like that, but if he's clear in his group advertisement that he wants to skip the cutscense, the same people who want respect for their style of play should have some for his in return. Edited January 11, 2012 by racsofp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PjPablo Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 My first reaction on your OP was similar to most here, what a &!!@$#%** And I'm still not sure why you play this game with such (apparently) limited interest in the story- However, if you are explicitly stating "no cutscenes" when you are posting LFG, then the people who respond do so under those conditions, and so having a way to identify/ kick them may not be a bad suggestion/ request This ^ As much as you may not agree with it, if he is creating the group and he is clearly stating 'no cutscenes' then people join the group knowing that. His group, his rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barathos Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 My first reaction on your OP was similar to most here, what a &!!@$#%** And I'm still not sure why you play this game with such (apparently) limited interest in the story- However, if you are explicitly stating "no cutscenes" when you are posting LFG, then the people who respond do so under those conditions, and so having a way to identify/ kick them may not be a bad suggestion/ request Too bad he's playing the wrong game for asking for that. =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrkLore Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Personally, I do not think an add-on would be the answer. I think it should be a group leader function similar to the different loot models. If the group leader turns on the "No cutscenes" flag, all cutscenes are automatically skipped by the game. This would allow players to drop the group as soon as they see the "No cutscene" flag turned on. Otherwise, if the flag is not enabled, players are free to watch the cutscenes without any issues. I agree. If they were going to implement something like this then I think this would be the best way to do it. People who don't want cutscenes won't have to see them and the people who do won't have to worry about getting attacked for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicalPremise Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Because it would end up being used by one majority or the other to put down the minority. Essentially it would cause the same problems that gearscore did in WoW: Do you get to experience content or do you not, because of X reason. If I'm on a server where there is a strong SPACEBAR majority, but I like to watch the cutscenes, my expereince is going to be negative because I would be discriminated against and unable to do FPs or OPs. Likewise, if I'm on a server with a strong STORY majority, but I have little time for cutscenes, my experience is going to be negative yada yada yada. A much more logical objection than "y u no liek story WoW panda". However, there is a counterpoint to this as well: Without such a tool, you run the risk of an increasingly large portion of the player base complaining about story length, to the point that future content may be "dumbed down" to cater to the spacebar-speeders in general. I, personally, would suggest a selection when chosing FP that allows "minimal cutscenes" or "full cutscenes". People who valued story would group with like minded people and run the full ones, while grinders could run the minimals, without gating content. Remember , if you make it grating enough on the grinders, they'll simply outlevel the FP then come back and solo it. Demanding they cater to others expecations is denying their fun for the sake of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jHats Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Bah useless post - Fact: Forcing one player to bend to another players play style WILL cause issues. One player choosing to SPEND extra time in his game and causing other players to waste theirs is not ever a good thing. Except this one person you are saying is wasting your time is actually playing the game as intended. Find a static group and gear up. Its not that difficult of a concept. If players are so socially inept that they cannot or will not find a guild or "friends" in game, then they have to deal with PUGs and all that comes with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorun Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Too bad he's playing the wrong game for asking for that. =/ No no he isnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racsofp Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Too bad he's playing the wrong game for asking for that. =/No. If you want to watch the cutscenes and you join his group which clearly says, "NO CUTSCENES" you joined the wrong group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrkLore Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Bah useless post - Fact: Forcing one player to bend to another players play style WILL cause issues. One player choosing to SPEND extra time in his game and causing other players to waste theirs is not ever a good thing. So making a person skip the story that they want to hear and that Bioware intended them to hear so that someone else can save three minutes is better? You're still forcing one player to bend to another player's will by doing that. You just contradicted yourself. Sounds like you only want what's "fair" when it works out to your advantage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radagastimus Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I was going to go with <Space Bar Warriors>, but we got imported and didnt want to re-make the guild Essentially gaming IS waste of time so no-one really wastes anyones time If you dont have time to waste, do not play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDTC Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 the flashpoints ive played have like 2 dialog options, OP must be a very busy man a ceo perhaps ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicalPremise Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) This. I DO NOT support this option at all. All it would do is allow people who are enjoying the game the way Bioware intended (with storylines) to get bashed for doing just that. It's not like the cutscenes are ridiculously long, it won't kill you to listen to an NPC for a couple of extra minutes. You SERIOUSLY believe that Bioware intended people to have to sit through five minutes of cutscenes everytime they want to grind Black Talon? Then why, if that's what Bioware intended, did they even put the space bar in? So making a person skip the story that they want to hear and that Bioware intended them to hear so that someone else can save three minutes is better? You're still forcing one player to bend to another player's will by doing that. You just contradicted yourself. Sounds like you only want what's "fair" when it works out to your advantage... The OP said when he was putting up his LFG message he said "no cutscenes". If you join his group , and demand that people watch the cutscenes, knowing full well they are looking for people who aren't, then it's you forcing someone to bend to your will. Edited January 11, 2012 by Vastalee removed rude stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwamper Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Why is this the typical player that you run into while questing? Does everyone have ADD? A guy invited me to a group last night as i was about to kill a quest objective. I accepted so that he could get credit for the kill too. We ended up going to fight the other 4 objectives on the same quest. He ends up running like a mad man to every spot like he has 30 seconds to complete the entire quest or he fails. I don't understand these kids today. I guess i'm just old. Yup. I was doing the Althiss FP the other day, and one of the players 'tolerated' the other three not spacebar-ing through the cutscenes. But even then he was a pita, because he was always rushing ahead, saying "No, we go here next". Someone asked "What about this glowing droid?" "You don't need that, come on, let's get this done!" Grrrr. What is the rush? There is no bonus for quick completion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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