Are high res out of the game because of the PC heat issues?

[fendergibson]

The whole point of this post is to tell bioware that THEY NEED TO ADD A FPS-LIMITER OPTION INGAME FOR THOSE WHO PLAY WITHOUT V-SYNC ENABLED. (vsync has its own issues, so many people prefer to play with it turned OFF)

 

 

Edit: The heat problem is meant for those who PLAY WITH VSYNC TURNED OFF and doesnt spend 500$+ just on PC cooling, but play on an average comp with subpar cooling, or bought a PC on bestbuy etc. This is what the majority actually does, and they are the ones having the issues with SWtor. Dont expect an average guy to install heatsinks just to make SWtor run like BF 3 does without heatsinks.

 

My comp doesnt overheat, but then again i built it myself with good cooling, and i notice SWtor stress the comp more then other games.

 

This is a known problem with SWtor atm.

 

This is especially With VSYNC TURNED OFF and often during quest conversations.

 

Many PC's heat up a lot in SWtor, even on PC's that play Crysis, Skyrim, Rift etc on ultra and maxed AA without any heat issues at all.

 

I can also confirm that SWtor heats up a lot more on my well cooled rig than other more intense games (both mmos and normal games) on my PC with 5 fans, good airflow, 2600 i7, nvidia 560ti, 8bg ram etc. It pulls off other much more graphic intense games like Skyrim, BF 3, Crysis, Rift etc on maxed settings without fans kicking in at all. I can play those games at 50-59 celcius. But SWtor without vsync heats up a lot more, especially during quest conversations where the big difference is, and my fans kick in often.

 

So is this the reason why bioware has kept high res out of the game? There is some sort of poor programming job?

 

Again for the people who didnt see: WITH VSYNC TURNED OFF (vsync brings input lag to mouse/keyboard for many people, if you're thinking of playing any serious pvp/pve) and while in QUEST CONVERSATIONS, this problem really occures.

 

Before you post something "i got no issue bro". Try the game at maxed settings, turn vsync off and start a quest conversation and leave it there for 5-10 mins. the comp will heat up a lot more then in other games. It is a problem that many on reddit, mmo-champion etc has posted as well.

 

The game needs a FPS cap option, so we can set it to 40, 50, 60 etc. This will help on the heating the game makes as well. Vsync is a poor way to deal with this, since Vsync can add slight input lag to many people, especially those with good latency and are doing more serious pvp where fast timing/reactions are vital.

 

WORKAROUND FOR NVIDIA CARDS:

-Download Nvidia Inspector

-Select the star wars: old republic profile

-Change the "FPS Limit" under "common" to 60, or any FPS of your choice.

 

This workaround will help a lot for those who are tired of their fans kicking in much more in SWtor compared to other games. After doing this, my comp is more silent and runs cooler then before. I would recommend this for everyone running without Vsync.

 

-With Vsync turned OFF, SWtor will stress the GPU at a constant 100% because there is no FPS-limter ingame. This can cause much more heating then necessary.

Edited January 7, 2012 by fendergibson

[rastaah]

Knocking on wood as I type this but I have a 3 1/2 year old DELL XPS 720 with just an upgraded video card ( 4 gig RAM) and my machine handles the game fine MOST of the time, I do lag slightly upon entering the Fleet....thats it...

 

No running hot etc.

 

Though, for all Dell's foibles, they did build this machine rather well for cooling. It also has a 750 watt power supply while not huge, is very sufficient for the GTX 460 I run.

[TheOnlyKyrenS]

just you bro. my laptop doesn't heat up at all. maybe you should upgrade your fans and heatsinks

[IrisZ]

The game is poorly optimized, and leaks.

This is a fact.

 

My rig isnt the best, i3-2100, gtx550ti 1gb, 4gb ram @ 1888...

but if i can run stuff like battlefield 3, and other games like skyrim, crysis, @ 1920x1200 just fine, and i lag during parts of star wars (the republic fleet) and on top of that have the game tax my gpu a lot then something is wrong.

 

i hope bioware recognizes that their game is poorly optimized sooner or later.

[JMESUN]

cpu cooler is cooler then you

[fendergibson]

I forgot to mention that this is with Vsync turned off. turn it off, and check again. tons of people are reporting swtor heat problems around the net.

[DarkSeverance]

So is this the reason why bioware has kept high res out of the game? There is some sort of poor programming job that kills people's graphic cards and hardware?

No, no and no. I run this on my laptop, it doesn't run hot. My wife runs this on her CPU and it doesn't run hot and I run it on my desktop it doesn't run hot. It doesn't cause your videocard to overheat and blow up. It isn't the software causing your issues.

[IrisZ]

Knocking on wood as I type this but I have a 3 1/2 year old DELL XPS 720 with just an upgraded video card ( 4 gig RAM) and my machine handles the game fine MOST of the time, I do lag slightly upon entering the Fleet....thats it...

 

No running hot etc.

 

Though, for all Dell's foibles, they did build this machine rather well for cooling. It also has a 750 watt power supply while not huge, is very sufficient for the GTX 460 I run.

oh look, someone who has no idea what hes talking about.

the guy was talking about running the game at a high res. if you're running a 3 and a half year old pc, and the only new part you have is a gpu, then there is no way you are running the game at 1920x1080 or higher res that the guy is referring to.

[fendergibson]

just you bro. my laptop doesn't heat up at all. maybe you should upgrade your fans and heatsinks

 

Maybe try to play the game at maxed settings and turn Vsync off

 

I bet my own *** that your laptop will begin to cpu throttle and heat up A LOT within 10 mins...

 

Even people with cpu heatsinks are reporting these problems mate, and again, my cooling IS good I play Skyrim at absolute maxed graphics with 50-60 celsius tops after a long game session.

Your laptop will prolly hit 100+ celsius when you try what i said.

Edited January 7, 2012 by fendergibson

[TostitoBandito]

Heat issues are NOT caused by any game. They are caused by poor cooling.

 

You can easily use programs like Furmark to max out your GPU's load for extended periods to test your cooling system. This is more than any game could possibly do in a real-world application. If you do this and have acceptable temps, you should be fine since you should have the same or lower temps in SWTOR.

 

Check your ventilation, thermal compounds/pads, and fan speed.

[IrisZ]

I forgot to mention that this is with Vsync turned off. turn it off, and check again. tons of people are reporting swtor heat problems around the net.

 

to put it simply the game is poorly optimized... it stutters even on beast gaming rigs. my friend has sli 580's and he tells me game lags during parts as well. its really sad since the graphics for this game leave a lot to be desired. you'll probably have to wait a few months before bioware rectifies the problems with their game.

[DarkSeverance]

oh look, someone who has no idea what hes talking about.

the guy was talking about running the game at a high res. if you're running a 3 and a half year old pc, and the only new part you have is a gpu, then there is no way you are running the game at 1920x1080 or higher res that the guy is referring to.

Depends on the processor and motherboard that they originally got. If they paid for a higher end at the time which would still let them run it fine at 1920x1080 without any issues.

[dirtyklingon]

although swtor heats up my 2600k and 480 gtrx more than some other games, the temps are well within norms for these parts and far below thermal shutdown limits.

[TostitoBandito]

Maybe try to play the game at maxed settings and turn Vsync off

 

I bet my own *** that your laptop will begin to cpu throttle and heat up A LOT within 10 mins...

 

Even people with cpu heatsinks are reporting these problems mate, and again, my cooling IS good I play Skyrim at absolute maxed graphics with 50-60 celsius tops after a long game session.

Your laptop will prolly hit 100+ celsius when you try what i said.

 

I play on a laptop and my 6990M tops out at about 72C at 100% load (max graphics settings, vsync makes no difference in temps). My CPU is a bit higher, but still well within safe boundries.

 

Every time a new game comes out there are always a ton of people complaining that it is somehow causing their machines to overheat. They are misinformed.

[fendergibson]

Heat issues are NOT caused by any game. They are caused by poor cooling.

 

You can easily use programs like Furmark to max out your GPU's load for extended periods to test your cooling system. This is more than any game could possibly do in a real-world application. If you do this and have acceptable temps, you should be fine since you should have the same or lower temps in SWTOR.

 

Check your ventilation, thermal compounds/pads, and fan speed.

 

 

No, they are caused by poor optimization. Again. My cooling is good, I run Crysis, Skyrim etc completely maxed out WITH high texture graphic mods, and i can play it for 2 hours and the temperature is still only around 50-60 celsius tops. But SWtor is the ONLY game that has this problem at high settings and Vsync turned off.

 

They need to add an FPS cap option, and also you need to check your facts.

[Nitsud_Deus]

I also have no heat issues.

[fendergibson]

I play on a laptop and my 6990M tops out at about 72C at 100% load (max graphics settings, vsync makes no difference in temps). My CPU is a bit higher, but still well within safe boundries.

 

Every time a new game comes out there are always a ton of people complaining that it is somehow causing their machines to overheat. They are misinformed.

 

Try to play at max settings, turn off Vsync, and start a quest conversation. Let the conversation last for 5-10 mins.

 

See the heat I'm talking about now?

[TostitoBandito]

No, they are caused by poor optimization. Again. My cooling is good, I run Crysis, Skyrim etc completely maxed out WITH high texture graphic mods, and i can play it for 2 hours and the temperature is still only around 50-60 celsius tops. But SWtor is the ONLY game that has this problem at high settings and Vsync turned off.

 

They need to add an FPS cap option, and also you need to check your facts.

 

My facts are correct.

 

Also, because I'm curious, why would you want to turn vsync off, especially if it is causing you problems as you claim?

[TostitoBandito]

Try to play at max settings, turn off Vsync, and start a quest conversation. Let the conversation last for 5-10 mins.

 

See the heat I'm talking about now?

 

No. I played for a day or two with no vsync (by accident) and my temps are logged to a file on my machine. My peak was 72C. I had plenty of longer conversations (though probably none longer than 5 minutes; why would you do that?).

Edited January 7, 2012 by TostitoBandito

[Kourage]

This heat issue is you. It's not a SWTOR issue.

[Trevalon]

The OP is completely correct - there is a serious heat issue with this game when VSYNC is turned off. MY GPU Temps run hotter in SWTOR than any other game on the market by a good 10 degrees when VSYNC is off and the same goes for every other person I know that plays - people who claim it doesn't are either running extremely low settings, have Vsync on, or just don't know how to monitor their PC's temps correctly.

 

Yes, it is a problem - Yes, it needs to be fixed - but for now just turn VSYNC on until its fixed...

[fendergibson]

My facts are correct.

 

Also, because I'm curious, why would you want to turn vsync off, especially if it is causing you problems as you claim?

 

I'm afraid they are not.

 

Because vsync adds a slight lag to mouse/keyboard input if you play fastpaced pvp with quick reactions.

 

5 of my friends tested this on their rigs with different setups too, and during quest convos, the temp goes up a lot on their comp as well.

 

Problem is that you are playing on a laptop that has throttling, which constantly watches both the cpu/gpu heat and downscales to cool it down when it gets too hot.

 

If you go to notebookreview.com, you will see that A LOT of people have laptop heat problems and throttling problems with 1 game. Guess which game?

Edited January 7, 2012 by fendergibson

[Starsunder]

I play on a laptop and my 6990M tops out at about 72C at 100% load (max graphics settings, vsync makes no difference in temps). My CPU is a bit higher, but still well within safe boundries.

 

Every time a new game comes out there are always a ton of people complaining that it is somehow causing their machines to overheat. They are misinformed.

 

Quote for Truth

 

That being said, the shadows and textures in their engine have a problem currently and were causing issues this is why it has been disabled. There was already a response about this before, but with no search feature its kind of hard to find it now lol.

 

The current engine does put a lot more strain on a system than it should for what we are seeing, but its still a new MMO and needs to be optimized more.

[Skoobie]

I have a i7-2600k overclocked to 4.5 Ghz. It has a Nocuta NH-D14 cooler on it.

 

I use a ATI 5870 card that is overclocked to 890/1290 or 900/1300. It is air cooled with the stock fan. I run at all high settings with the v-sync off. I run this with MSI Afterburner.

 

My case is a Corsair 650D, designed with positive air flow in mind. I have a 200mm front intake fan, 2 120mm top intake fans, and one 120mm exhaust fan.

 

I'm a temp freak, and run with CPUID Hardware manager on at all times, monitoring my temperatures.

 

My CPU never gets above 55c, and my GPU maxes out at 70c, but usually stays in the low 60's range.

 

This is pretty much the same whether I'm playing SWTOR, DA:O, Alice: Madness Returns, or Arkham City (without the DX11 that's bugged).

Edited January 7, 2012 by Skoobie

[fendergibson]

Quote for Truth

 

That being said, the shadows and textures in their engine have a problem currently and were causing issues this is why it has been disabled. There was already a response about this before, but with no search feature its kind of hard to find it now lol.

 

The current engine does put a lot more strain on a system than it should for what we are seeing, but its still a new MMO and needs to be optimized more.

 

TONS of people on notebookreview.com are having issues with SWtor heating up their laptops more then other games like skyrim. BF 3 etc.

Their laptops go to 100 celsius WITH laptop cooler underneath, and SWtor forces the laptops to do major cpu/gpu throttling to cool down the system, which gimps it down and makes it stutter.

 

Its caused by poor programming