Sith Emperor vs Darth Sidious

[kcchieffan]

Not just that, but the books that surround the movies and of between said movies all say Sidious is the most powerful ever.

 

Sidieous says he believes he was the most powerful but a lot of knowledge of the ancient sith had been lost.

[BrandonSM]

Sidieous says he believes he was the most powerful but a lot of knowledge of the ancient sith had been lost.

 

 

Where do you get that?

 

The Ancient Sith Lords Praised Sidious.

[Wolfninjajedi]

Sidieous says he believes he was the most powerful but a lot of knowledge of the ancient sith had been lost.

 

No, Palpatine had learned everything even the lost force stuff, and the ancient sith lords bowed down to him.

Edited April 2, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi

[BrandonSM]

Were watching the same movie because im pretty sure yoda fought Palp to a stand still, and then decided to go into exile which i do disagree with he should of fought to the death lol. The battle futher showed that the dark side is not more powerful but quicker since yoda had been perfecting it for 900 vs however old sidieous was and it still ended up in a stand still.

 

Yoda was struggling, ROTS Novelization bro. Sidious was laughing and couldn't wait for Yoda to drop. \

[kcchieffan]

Yoda was struggling, ROTS Novelization bro. Sidious was laughing and couldn't wait for Yoda to drop. \

 

if you go by the movies though you see fear in Palps face.. and according to wookieepedia

 

"After his ascension as Emperor, Palpatine displayed visible fear after being attacked by a powerful Force push from Yoda. He attempted to flee rather than fight, and only confronted Yoda when he appeared to have no other choice in the matter."

from wookieepedia

[Wolfninjajedi]

if you go by the movies though you see fear in Palps face.. and according to wookieepedia

 

"After his ascension as Emperor, Palpatine displayed visible fear after being attacked by a powerful Force push from Yoda. He attempted to flee rather than fight, and only confronted Yoda when he appeared to have no other choice in the matter."

from wookieepedia

 

Books are on the same tier as the movies in G-canon, just because they didn't show exactly how it happened in the books doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Edited April 2, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi

[kcchieffan]

I think in the end at least as far as non cannon characters go Reven will be the most powerful considering he is the only person to master the light and dark side and become something more than a jedi or sith

[darthkargtor]

This is pointless discussing this Lucas > everyone else

 

the cycle beings Sidious has the best abilties> some one creates a sith with a good power > writters made sidious have a better version of that power > another wirrter writes more charcters with Strong powers > ect , ect ,ect untill we get to the point where the movies are pointless beacuse why need a deathstar when you can destory worlds with you own mind,

 

You dont beacuse comics have a habbit of being over the top and so do books as people like that kinda stuff.

[LemmingLeader]

There has been no force user ever, ever, in the history of Star Wars, to have literally taken over the galaxy out of practically no meaningful resources... except for Darth Sidious. No Jedi, no other Sith, no force user in between. Only Darth Sidious.

 

Unlike other Sith Lords of note from the past, he did not inherit a "Sith Empire."

 

He definitely did not inherit being Senator or Chancellor within the Republic.

 

He did not start out with fleets of warships, legions of troops, hordes of disposable Sith lackeys.

 

No... he *made* these resources himself in various, clever, and indirect ways.

 

Unlike other lesser Sith Lords, to most especially include the old ones of the Sith Empire, he succeeded in defeating the long hated Jedi Order and Galactic Republic. He eradicated the Jedi slowly over the years, and then finally with Order 66. The master stroke was that he didn't "destroy" the Republic, but took it over and transformed it into another Empire, the Galactic Empire. The Star Wars galaxy had never before seen it united under one sovereign government like the Galactic Empire. Even the long-lived Republic couldn't lay claim to that.

 

Another master stroke is that he carried out these plans in full view of the Jedi Order and its Council members... in front of the Grand Master of the Jedi Order, Master Yoda himself. He did so smiling the entire way. He really must have relished the chance to finally issue Order 66, and know that from the moment that command was given, the Jedi everywhere in the galaxy were literally being destroyed, even within their own Jedi Temple.

 

Again, Darth Sidious took over the galaxy with little to no resources. He accomplished what no Sith before had ever done, because frankly, none of them even came close to his achievements. And again, he destroyed the Jedi Order, another claim that no Sith before can make.

 

People can talk about the master of this or that, or how so and so was great, fancy, the best with the Lightsaber. People can talk about mastering Light and Dark side, or whatever. There may have been those that loved to pick flowers in a grass field on a warm sunny day like the Jedi, or Sith who bathed in the blood of many. But when it all came down to accomplishments... no other force user in Star Wars accomplished anywhere near what Darth Sidious did. Jedi, Sith, or anyone in between. NOBODY.

Edited April 2, 2012 by LemmingLeader

[Akento]

There has been no force user ever, ever, in the history of Star Wars, to have literally taken over the galaxy out of practically no meaningful resources... except for Darth Sidious. No Jedi, no other Sith, no force user in between. Only Darth Sidious.

 

Unlike other Sith Lords of note from the past, he did not inherit a "Sith Empire."

 

He definitely did not inherit being Senator or Chancellor within the Republic.

 

He did not start out with fleets of warships, legions of troops, hordes of disposable Sith lackeys.

 

No... he *made* these resources himself in various, clever, and indirect ways.

 

Unlike other lesser Sith Lords, to most especially include the old ones of the Sith Empire, he succeeded in defeating the long hated Jedi Order and Galactic Republic. He eradicated the Jedi slowly over the years, and then finally with Order 66. The master stroke was that he didn't "destroy" the Republic, but took it over and transformed it into another Empire, the Galactic Empire. The Star Wars galaxy had never before seen it united under one sovereign government like the Galactic Empire. Even the long-lived Republic couldn't lay claim to that.

 

Another master stroke is that he carried out these plans in full view of the Jedi Order and its Council members... in front of the Grand Master of the Jedi Order, Master Yoda himself. He did so smiling the entire way. He really must have relished the chance to finally issue Order 66, and know that from the moment that command was given, the Jedi everywhere in the galaxy were literally being destroyed, even within their own Jedi Temple.

 

Again, Darth Sidious took over the galaxy with little to no resources. He accomplished what no Sith before had ever done, because frankly, none of them even came close to his achievements. And again, he destroyed the Jedi Order, another claim that no Sith before can make.

 

People can talk about the master of this or that, or how so and so was great, fancy, the best with the Lightsaber. People can talk about mastering Light and Dark side, or whatever. There may have been those that loved to pick flowers in a grass field on a warm sunny day like the Jedi, or Sith who bathed in the blood of many. But when it all came down to accomplishments... no other force user in Star Wars accomplished anywhere near what Darth Sidious did. Jedi, Sith, or anyone in between. NOBODY.

 

/thread.

 

Well said man.

[Malrus]

if you go by the movies though you see fear in Palps face.. and according to wookieepedia

 

"After his ascension as Emperor, Palpatine displayed visible fear after being attacked by a powerful Force push from Yoda. He attempted to flee rather than fight, and only confronted Yoda when he appeared to have no other choice in the matter."

from wookieepedia

 

I think I remember someone in another thread saying that in the ROTS book it says that when Yoda was deflecting Sidious's lightning he had a vision saying that it wasn't his destiny to defeat Sidious,and that it was Luke's destiny and that that is why he retreats. (because it looked pretty obvious that Yoda was either winning or was equal with sidious when he was redirecting sidious's lightning)

[Sporadicus]

I think since lucas said sidious was the most powerful, writers have had to go a bit dbz witrh sidious and has made him pointless, he can destroy planets with the force etc, same with luke.. I just try to ignore all the lucas stuff, (galatic timelline) (also, how did they get so strong since jedi were weaker then as there was no sith?? and no sith fought jedi?? did they just get strong from praying??) I think the ancient sith, revan, well the old republic shows what is best about star wars. (is what got me into it anyways) also, I would say Vitiate was a much better emporer as he seems like the most powerful, he consumed a whole planet of life force/the force) also he knows the path to immortal, and arguably revan was the hero on the series, and he lost, which makes it even better as Vitiate was that powerful.

 

yet saying that is what I say just keep them all to their own timeline, so strongest sith in TOR was Vitiate and in galatic was sidious, same goes for revan and luke, same with maraka ragnos and tulak hord etc

 

personally about galatic timeline my main issues is that it stays with the whole solo and skywalker thing, it's as iff they have run out of ideas, that and they keep trying to link up the old republic with galatic timeline, like malgas's jornal was found by sidious and givven to vader (lucas forever ruined vadar as no matter who good he is made out to be in the book, all is see is Hayden Christensen being a bad actor, so vadar to me was amazing, truly epic, but that goes to show you lucas not being an amazing writer.

 

woops, sorry I went on way too long.

 

ps, if I offend anyone sorry.

[Hatefrenzy]

I think in the end at least as far as non cannon characters go Reven will be the most powerful considering he is the only person to master the light and dark side and become something more than a jedi or sith

 

Stop buying into the Revanite faction. They worship him, and they obviously have no idea about the facts, considering their leader believes Revan defeated the Emperor and took his place at the top of the Sith Empire.

 

Revan was a Jedi Knight. Then he fell to the Dark Side and became a Sith Lord. Then he got mind wiped, retrained as a Jedi, and presumably became a Master. That doesnt necessarily mean he mastered "the light and dark side and become something more than a jedi or sith".

 

Many Jedi have fallen to the dark side and come back. Luke, Anakin, Kyp Duron... the list goes on. The "Something more than Jedi or Sith" is just rampant Revan fanboyism which has no basis in fact.

 

Yes he was strong for his time, but he hasnt done anything that compares to a lot of other powerful force users.

[Sporadicus]

well revan did master both light and dark (he really did) as was said in his book, also the reason people love revan so much is when you played kotor, you were him (without knowing it till later) so half of the charters is your own and the other half is biowares personality

 

so all this love for the character is well founded.

also, if it was not for revan, jedia/republic would of lost to mandalorians.

it is safe to say he is one of the strongst jedi ever, that and we can see it, played game.

also his story is quite decent (although some bits like the 2/3 years he was held around kotor 2 was a bit lazy of the writer)

 

Still, you have to love the old republic story's

[Castiel]

I wish people could stop saying "It's canon", and actually open their minds to new possibilities... The variables are endless, so any given sith / jedi, could win vs any given sith / jedi at any given time in any given story in this universe.

You've probably all read everything there is to read from KOTOR to the Thrawn trilogy, so you should really know better than staying stuck in one mindset.... Just sayin'..

[BrandonSM]

well revan did master both light and dark (he really did) as was said in his book, also the reason people love revan so much is when you played kotor, you were him (without knowing it till later) so half of the charters is your own and the other half is biowares personality

 

so all this love for the character is well founded.

also, if it was not for revan, jedia/republic would of lost to mandalorians.

it is safe to say he is one of the strongst jedi ever, that and we can see it, played game.

also his story is quite decent (although some bits like the 2/3 years he was held around kotor 2 was a bit lazy of the writer)

 

Still, you have to love the old republic story's

 

He did not master both Light and Dark. He used both Light and Dark.

[Datamonger]

You dont beacuse comics have a habbit of being over the top and so do books as people like that kinda stuff.

 

This.

 

Want examples? Superboy Prime and World War Hulk.

[BrandonSM]

I think in the end at least as far as non cannon characters go Reven will be the most powerful considering he is the only person to master the light and dark side and become something more than a jedi or sith

 

 

He did not mater light and Dark.

 

 

Give me an example of him using an amazing Dark Side Feat and an Amazing Light Side Feat.

 

 

Many would crush Revan.. .don't overrate him.

 

Vader, Obi, Yoda, Sidious, Luke, Mace, Satele, etc

[Ewgal]

 

Again, Darth Sidious took over the galaxy with little to no resources. He accomplished what no Sith before had ever done, because frankly, none of them even came close to his achievements. And again, he destroyed the Jedi Order, another claim that no Sith before can make. NOBODY.

 

And yet Vader one shots him left handed? Can't be that tough meat.

[DarthBandeth]

And yet Vader one shots him left handed? Can't be that tough meat.

 

Nobody's invincible, Sidious's fatal flaw was his overconfidence. To say that he is weak because he died is in itself a weak statement, all of the great Jedi/Sith have died, even Luke, god of EU.

[BrainSplatter]

Uh... everything in SWTOR is up to eleven, like a lot of the material outside the movies.

 

People may say Sidious since the originals are what made them fans but in a slightly more impartial d--- measuring contest Vitiate would wipe the floor with Sidious. Just like the apprentice from The Force Unleashed could kick Vader's ***.

 

You get to see Sith force pushed into giant rocks and surviving, troopers taking out Sith, etc. I have nothing against the classics, obviously they're THE most notable work in the Star Wars universe, but Darth Vader was just some short guy in a bucket. They didn't lay most of the groundwork for the Star Wars universe since after the originals.

Edited April 2, 2012 by BrainSplatter

[BrainSplatter]

This.

 

Want examples? Superboy Prime and World War Hulk.

 

And games are usually also pretty over the top. The point is to make players feel empowered, either by being made out to be pretty damn power themselves or (/and) taking down powerful enemies.

[BrainSplatter]

Nobody's invincible, Sidious's fatal flaw was his overconfidence. To say that he is weak because he died is in itself a weak statement, all of the great Jedi/Sith have died, even Luke, god of EU.

 

He got picked up and thrown like a sack of meat. Compared to some of the stuff in the EU that would be pretty anticlimatic.

[BrainSplatter]

He did not mater light and Dark.

 

 

Give me an example of him using an amazing Dark Side Feat and an Amazing Light Side Feat.

 

 

Many would crush Revan.. .don't overrate him.

 

Vader, Obi, Yoda, Sidious, Luke, Mace, Satele, etc

 

Jedi Masters of his time sent him to kill Malak because they couldn't. It's safe to say that he would've wiped the floor with those Jedi Masters, so that means he is a master-level force user himself.

 

Heck, he was Emperor. Can you tell me of one Emperor in the history of Star Wars that wouldn't qualify as a 'master'?

[BrainSplatter]

There has been no force user ever, ever, in the history of Star Wars, to have literally taken over the galaxy out of practically no meaningful resources... except for Darth Sidious. No Jedi, no other Sith, no force user in between. Only Darth Sidious.

 

Unlike other Sith Lords of note from the past, he did not inherit a "Sith Empire."

 

He definitely did not inherit being Senator or Chancellor within the Republic.

 

He did not start out with fleets of warships, legions of troops, hordes of disposable Sith lackeys.

 

No... he *made* these resources himself in various, clever, and indirect ways.

 

Unlike other lesser Sith Lords, to most especially include the old ones of the Sith Empire, he succeeded in defeating the long hated Jedi Order and Galactic Republic. He eradicated the Jedi slowly over the years, and then finally with Order 66. The master stroke was that he didn't "destroy" the Republic, but took it over and transformed it into another Empire, the Galactic Empire. The Star Wars galaxy had never before seen it united under one sovereign government like the Galactic Empire. Even the long-lived Republic couldn't lay claim to that.

 

Another master stroke is that he carried out these plans in full view of the Jedi Order and its Council members... in front of the Grand Master of the Jedi Order, Master Yoda himself. He did so smiling the entire way. He really must have relished the chance to finally issue Order 66, and know that from the moment that command was given, the Jedi everywhere in the galaxy were literally being destroyed, even within their own Jedi Temple.

 

Again, Darth Sidious took over the galaxy with little to no resources. He accomplished what no Sith before had ever done, because frankly, none of them even came close to his achievements. And again, he destroyed the Jedi Order, another claim that no Sith before can make.

 

People can talk about the master of this or that, or how so and so was great, fancy, the best with the Lightsaber. People can talk about mastering Light and Dark side, or whatever. There may have been those that loved to pick flowers in a grass field on a warm sunny day like the Jedi, or Sith who bathed in the blood of many. But when it all came down to accomplishments... no other force user in Star Wars accomplished anywhere near what Darth Sidious did. Jedi, Sith, or anyone in between. NOBODY.

 

The Jedi were almost wiped out in KotOR II. There were literally only a handful left, and the Republic was also broken.

 

And I think you're forgetting that Sidious lost. He had a huge fleet, an incredible army and got his *** kicked by a grassroots militia and a boy with a bowl cut.