Radagastimus Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Thanks for explaining sadly why EXACTLY Gearscore is useful. I don't want to run your stupid alts and get you gear. Even if you have the skill, you can't pull the numbers I want in greens. You will be carried. Why should I take you over someone who is better geared? Just because you SAY you are skilled? He might be skilled as well. At least with him I know he COULD pull the numbers I want if he was good. And how do I know who has the better gear? Gearscore. LOloLols Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serosen Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I think just a damage meter addon would be nice. Really the only way to tell if someone is bad is take their average dps vs how often they stand in the fire ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakesFistAtSky Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Thanks for explaining sadly why EXACTLY Gearscore is useful. I don't want to run your stupid alts and get you gear. Even if you have the skill, you can't pull the numbers I want in greens. You will be carried. Why should I take you over someone who is better geared? Just because you SAY you are skilled? He might be skilled as well. At least with him I know he COULD pull the numbers I want if he was good. And how do I know who has the better gear? Gearscore. Sounds like all you care about is the size of your epeen...God forbid you help someone run through if you get nothing out of it. And people wonder where the community went on WOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeSamourai Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Did you just relate Gearscore to skill? This. I'm honestly perplexed how the OP believes he's "pro" when he says hilarious stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncore Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) GEARSCORE is the worst thing ever created to the mmo genre. It just dictates you to whatever gear you have available. It takes out the element of surprise,("look at this guy, he as absolutely no gear at all and he plays like a vet! wow i am glad i have invited him") Imagine this hypothetical situation; You have played couple high end dungeons in another server and you know your way around and you have played with the best of the best so in sum you are a pro. You re-roll and start over in another server, no one knows you, what your skills are.. but you are absolutely delighted that you can show them what you got. Story failed, gearscore killed you. Edited January 5, 2012 by ncore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahR Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Link of proof of this... please.. because I watched the documentary about Blood Legion and they say they dont make anything. http://www.paragon.fi/news/announcing-official-sponsorship-asus That's just one, they had an anonymous dubai prince backing them in the past, threw around a million into their little guild. They've had sponsorships from all over too, that is why they have top of the line razer and supercomputers. I remember a post saying they got a bonus of $50,000 per world first kill. You'd have to look into it The official blizzard website had some commentation on the top guilds, and that they were likely under contract by such sponsors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deffin Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 10/10 Would read again and I bookmarked this. Great thread OP great thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nylyan Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Thanks for explaining sadly why EXACTLY Gearscore is useful. I don't want to run your stupid alts and get you gear. Even if you have the skill, you can't pull the numbers I want in greens. You will be carried. Why should I take you over someone who is better geared? Just because you SAY you are skilled? He might be skilled as well. At least with him I know he COULD pull the numbers I want if he was good. And how do I know who has the better gear? Gearscore. Not sure if you're serious or just really stupid? As long as he's got the required average DPS to down the boss, what's the problem with him/her being on an alt in greens? The person is still doing their part to down the boss, idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baizak Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 A bunch of guilds in WoW are contracted and get an upwards of $50,000 for a first boss kill. Don't say pro players don't exist in MMOs, it makes you look stupid. Urban myth here ^. There is no company paying somebody to down a boss in a video game. If you believe that a company actually would, I have a real fully functional light saber that I will sell ya for a million dollars. It was used only twice and both times to kill Darth Vader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilidea Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 No, to any addon that isn't UI customization. Elitist ruin communities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrangos Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 OP has to be a troll so blatantly relating skill to gear. Might also be blatant criticism against gearscore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilTikiBoy Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Thanks for explaining sadly why EXACTLY Gearscore is useful. I don't want to run your stupid alts and get you gear. Even if you have the skill, you can't pull the numbers I want in greens. You will be carried. Why should I take you over someone who is better geared? Just because you SAY you are skilled? He might be skilled as well. At least with him I know he COULD pull the numbers I want if he was good. And how do I know who has the better gear? Gearscore. once again your comparing gear to skill, this is not the case. the player in greens could be really good, but GS tells you hes bad. while the player in epics could be a facerolling nerf herder, but GS tells you hes good. how is this addon useful again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radagastimus Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I think just a damage meter addon would be nice. Really the only way to tell if someone is bad is take their average dps vs how often they stand in the fire ratio. And you know what it in worst case can do in conjuction with dungeon fiinder type tool? There we have group formed... We progress to first boss, kill it then re-count. Tank asks why do healer does more damage than me? Me being shadow priest and healer was just a random which no-one knowed what spec he REALLy was.. Well even if i try to explain that healer did more damage since he or she did not do his job which i had to do instead and i did not like it... I got booted out since im no worthy dps.. No-one cared to check healing count. That group prolly had soon a revelation of why was healer doing damaga But in the end i got booted since i did not do my job but a healers job. And im pretty sure this happens quite a much too. But this is purely off-topic, sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilTikiBoy Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 No-one cared to check healing count. sounds like getting booted from a group full of idiots, could have been the best thing that happened to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangarrage Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Bioware, Please allow us to have a gearscore-alike addon. I don't care if it's 3rd party or not. Right now there is simply NO way to know if another player has skill or not. Adding a simple gearscore sort of thing would fix alot of issues with grouping and I'm not even 50 yet. LOL you totally contradict yourself gearscore has no correlation at all to the skill of the player Can't believe people even think this way it sad Whats even more sad it is usually nerd rager dps who just spend all day blaming tanks and healers for their own failures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knyghtprowler Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Sounds like all you care about is the size of your epeen...God forbid you help someone run through if you get nothing out of it. And people wonder where the community went on WOW. Noo... he cares about getting in and out of an instance with minimal downtime and mistakes. You want help? Ask you'r guild - you want someone to tal kto and teach you? Ask you'r guild. Unless I am mistaken most of the conversation here is based purely on people you DONT know and are pugging with. I knew my guild mates capabilities - there was no questions there. My posts in this threat are focused on PUG's only. So to reiterate - if I want to pug through an instance, I have 2 choices - Take someone in greens, or take someone in purps. I have 10 people sending tells - which of the 10 stangers get let it? The geared ones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serosen Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) And you know what it in worst case can do in conjuction with dungeon fiinder type tool? There we have group formed... We progress to first boss, kill it then re-count. Tank asks why do healer does more damage than me? Me being shadow priest and healer was just a random which no-one knowed what spec he REALLy was.. Well even if i try to explain that healer did more damage since he or she did not do his job which i had to do instead and i did not like it... I got booted out since im no worthy dps.. No-one cared to check healing count. That group prolly had soon a revelation of why was healer doing damaga But in the end i got booted since i did not do my job but a healers job. And im pretty sure this happens quite a much too. But this is purely off-topic, sorry! Ah yeah, that can happen for sure. That's bad luck though. Elitist ***** who can't be bothered to properly read charts, or be happy a solid group is actually functioning well together, can't be avoided sometimes. Personally, if I'm a tank in a group, if we're all staying alive, people are relatively competent and performing their roles adequately I won't nitpick. Edited January 5, 2012 by Serosen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocketthesaurus Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 A majority of you have been trolled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionixx Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 once again your comparing gear to skill, this is not the case. the player in greens could be really good, but GS tells you hes bad. while the player in epics could be a facerolling nerf herder, but GS tells you hes good. how is this addon useful again? Gearscore tells me that even if he is good, the person can't do the much dps. He is simply limited by his gear. And I know it's a jerk thing to do but when I want a clean fast run, I take the people who will do the most. As to the other person, if you read my post carefully, I say that I don't know if he is skilled or not. But at least if he is, he can do much more than the person in greens. And to the person who says that the guy in greens is "doing his part", that may be so but his part isn't equal to the other people's "parts". Why should I let him in my raid when he will do less than other people and end up being carried. How will these other people who did more than him feel when he wins a piece of gear he didn't deserve as much as them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeSamourai Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Noo... he cares about getting in and out of an instance with minimal downtime and mistakes. You want help? Ask you'r guild - you want someone to tal kto and teach you? Ask you'r guild. Unless I am mistaken most of the conversation here is based purely on people you DONT know and are pugging with. I knew my guild mates capabilities - there was no questions there. My posts in this threat are focused on PUG's only. So to reiterate - if I want to pug through an instance, I have 2 choices - Take someone in greens, or take someone in purps. I have 10 people sending tells - which of the 10 stangers get let it? The geared ones... But gear means absolutely NOTHING. I can go "gear" an alt @ 50 for EASILY less than 100k credits. That doesn't mean I know jack **** about playing it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radagastimus Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 sounds like getting booted from a group full of idiots, could have been the best thing that happened to you. True that. It still happens too often to many people i suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thankyjack Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Bioware, Please allow us to have a gearscore-alike addon. I don't care if it's 3rd party or not. Right now there is simply NO way to know if another player has skill or not. Adding a simple gearscore sort of thing would fix alot of issues with grouping and I'm not even 50 yet. What's gonna happen once I enter end-game content? Wipe over and over until I found a good bunch of skilled players? That would take ages. So please, allow us to have Gearscore or something, to fasten the process to detect skilled players. It's not even a matter of EZ-mode, just saves time. And in the long run, it will save you from a mass exodus of people unsubbing. Thank you. EDIT: I'm sorry if I sound elitist, but if you take gaming serious and want to be best of the best in every game you need a minimum of skilltesting without wasting time on talking/grouping/inspecting. I'm sorry if so many if you are offended. I like it pro. Deal with it. Gearscore already gave you guys one game to ruin. Go back to wow. While gear has an impact on numbers, it does not, in any way, shape or form, equate to skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krabcakes Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Successful troll is successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rylixav Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) Just remember the times you had an alt and wanted a PUG-run to a Wintergrasp boss for example. - Can I join? - Link achi + GS - Its my alt... - Begone noob OP if you need something like Gearscore, you know in which game you can find it. Do you really think it's going to be any different here though? I mean most gear already has a "gearscore" right on the item in the form of "combat ratings." So people inspect you, look at the color of your gear, look at your combat ratings, and say "begone noob" anyway. (I'm not saying I want Gearscore in SWTOR; I don't. But I really don't see the difference. They're still going to judge you on your gear instead of your skill.) Edited January 5, 2012 by rylixav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakesFistAtSky Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Noo... he cares about getting in and out of an instance with minimal downtime and mistakes. You want help? Ask you'r guild - you want someone to tal kto and teach you? Ask you'r guild. Unless I am mistaken most of the conversation here is based purely on people you DONT know and are pugging with. I knew my guild mates capabilities - there was no questions there. My posts in this threat are focused on PUG's only. So to reiterate - if I want to pug through an instance, I have 2 choices - Take someone in greens, or take someone in purps. I have 10 people sending tells - which of the 10 stangers get let it? The geared ones... It's a game...minimal mistakes? Mistakes is how you learn. There'd be fewer mistakes if people like him would take the time to show others how instead of pissing and moaning that they don't know anything right off the bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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