GothicSaint Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 This. When I come across people who know their abilities, I get a good challenge. LTP before whining You mean the ability that has a 2 minute cool down We all know to wait for an operative to strike before using this ability it SHOULD NEVER BE USED any other time right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCGaius Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 But whatever, not like anyone gives a **** about our opinions. Its just going to be a circle jerk of players who aren't Ops qqing, like me, and then people who play with ops or play as op calling those qqers bads. So lallalalalalala Sadly, to some extent you're right; we're never going to convince a lot of posters that a class (or rather, a specific spec on a particular class) is broken. The important thing is to stick to your guns, though, because a lot of people simply read and don't post, including (one hopes) various developers, and theirs are the opinions that matter, not the people currently facerolling everyone in Warzones and then undergoing the mental gymnastics necessary to justify it on the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vengeful_Deity Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 As a Gunslinger, I'm totally okay with Operatives/Scoundrels kicking my *** if they catch me unawares.....because I totally **** them if I see them coming or they don't manage to kill me in the first few seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfDeadpool Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 please read a Guide - How to Counter a Concealment Operative/Scoundrel ,try doing research or googling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manfox Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 The stun time and damage from these abilities are unbelievable. Unless they are just making a living off all the low hp pools right now, but I doubt it. Reroll scoundrel i do think the damage is HIGH.. but really they have no gap closers.. so.. i just kite them to death lol.. pop a dot on them and a slow... its GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fest Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) You're not dying in the stun if you have 450 expertise. Stop exaggerating. It's actually possible to die in the stun in full champion gear. The Operative/Scoundrel needs to have full Battlemaster(valor 60 gear, for those who are uninformed) though and then he needs to Hidden Strike > Cloaking Screen(vanish) > Hidden Strike. And even then, he's using his only decent survivability cooldown offensively, which means your team can turn around and demolish him quicker than he demolished you. And to top it all off you need to use crit/surge relic and epic biochem surge adrenal to even have a chance of doing half decent damage. Are you people saying that all that set up to simply kill one person doesn't seem excessive? Edited January 9, 2012 by fest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YpaWinz Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 It's easy to come here and say "I have x expertise and get x shot by an operative." Yet no one posts anything close to proof. There are a couple vids of people going around and killing terrible lvl 50's from 50% hp, but that's not OP that's just opportunism. That's kind of what stealth classes are all about. I think the massive 10-50 pvp bracket has skewed the numbers on this quite a bit and I hope that once the 50-only bracket is solidified that people realize that operatives are a lot less of an issue than the 20+ nerf threads would make it seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YpaWinz Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 It's actually possible to die in the stun in full champion gear. The Operative/Scoundrel needs to have full Battlemaster(valor 60 gear, for those who are uninformed) though and then he needs to Hidden Strike > Cloaking Screen(vanish) > Hidden Strike. And even then, he's using his only decent survivability cooldown offensively, which means your team can turn around and demolish him quicker than he demolished you. And to top it all off you need to use crit/surge relic and epic biochem surge adrenal to even have a chance of doing half decent damage. Are you people saying that all that set up to simply kill one person doesn't seem excessive? Agreed for the most part. Not only is this mystery operative wasting his vanish CD, he's wasting what could be another knockdown and 2 GCD's that could be used for shiv followed by laceration for potentially twice as much damage. I don't understand people who think open > vanish > open is a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arqe Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 im scoundrel and got full champ and some cent offgear.i dont know if they are the mirror but it feels like ops got more stuns.im fighting with op in in warzone i go directly for him to test this. when i start with "shoot first"with ko talent i cant make him kiss the ground and when i use "dirty kick" his resolve goes full and i use "back blast" etc. but then he vanishes using his "hidden strikes" takes me down , he uses stun then my resolve fills the half of purple , then starts backstab after 4 sec of stun he makes me stun again ( confused here ) after my resolve full i use cc breaker and he makes me stun again ... tried this in entire "alderaan civil war" and everytime the same result , i killed him few times he killed me few times but he definitly using more stuns or they abusing a bug i dont know but scoundrel doesnt got that much stun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alundo Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 im scoundrel and got full champ and some cent offgear.i dont know if they are the mirror but it feels like ops got more stuns. im fighting with op in in warzone i go directly for him to test this. when i start with "shoot first" with ko talent i cant make him kiss the ground and when i use "dirty kick" his resolve goes full and i use "back blast" etc. but then he vanishes using his "hidden strikes" takes me down , he uses stun then my resolve fills the half of purple , then starts backstab after 4 sec of stun he makes me stun again ( confused here ) after my resolve full i use cc breaker and he makes me stun again ... tried this in entire "alderaan civil war" and everytime the same result , i killed him few times he killed me few times but he definitly using more stuns or they abusing a bug i dont know but scoundrel doesnt got that much stun. Nope. An Op will fill your whitebar if they knock you down and then stun after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luciphear Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 The stun time and damage from these abilities are unbelievable. Unless they are just making a living off all the low hp pools right now, but I doubt it. Reroll scoundrel on the other hand, if they are attacked when they are out of stealth they kinda dies just by looking at them, ive tried most classes exept sorc and operative and operatives i find very very fragile unless they dont attack out of stealth. and when they do, yes they do decent damage but as they do "awesome" dmg and are fragile they are down in no time if they dont jump vanish really fast =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super-Nova Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 this is a troll thread right?.... right?.... seriously? no you all are serious, geezus learn the class before you QQ about it please, ops / scoundrels have been nerfed into the dirt and you cry more because we have the skill to still kill you... L2P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alundo Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 this is a troll thread right?.... right?.... seriously? no you all are serious, geezus learn the class before you QQ about it please, ops / scoundrels have been nerfed into the dirt and you cry more because we have the skill to still kill you... L2P Check the thread creation date. l2read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arqe Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Nope. An Op will fill your whitebar if they knock you down and then stun after. thats what im trying to figure out. how or why ... can take all the classes , doesnt matter shielded sorc or not 1 shot shield down bb half bar then he/she is dead or any other class but i can not take op's becouse of this. really ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griszagen Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 The stun time and damage from these abilities are unbelievable. Unless they are just making a living off all the low hp pools right now, but I doubt it. Reroll scoundrel I'm level 50 commando. 3 champ, 2 cent. Been facing geared players for weeks but nothing ***** so blatantly as a operative. So you want a class to be nerfed because you can't spam grav rounds on them ? L2P dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceventura Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Fights should last more than a fdew seconds. This was World of Roguecrafts mistake in PVP and if it happens here they will lose people from the game. People want to PLAY not have stunlock, death, res, repeat. Why are gamer designers to dumb to see this? I approve of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimothyJForde Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I approve of this The opps is built for short fights. He dies or his opponent dies. If you want longer fights you would also need to make him tougher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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