Well I would compare it to The Secret World or Tera Online but then I would be accused of comparing it to inferior products that no one expected to succeed. edit: And everyone has bugs. Not to keep pounding the WoW drum, but anyone else remember when WoW was down for *weeks*? Yeah at least that never happened here.

aka "I didn't like the ending to ME3 even though the first 99% of the game was universally considered a superior product". This is what is wrong with video game consumers today..

This is irrational. You can't compare gross content to gross content between a 1 year old game and an 8-9 year old game. If you want to pick out a more recent expansion to compare to fine. Compare SWTOR to MoP and you will see a similar amount of content within their time frames.

Why the after distinction? The first year *includes* launch. You are saying that if a game is launched with 5000 hours of content but releases 10 hours of content after that for the first year that it is penalized compared to a game that releases 50 hours of content at release and 20 hours of content throughout the first year. Until there is a level cap increase, rendering the release content outdated, then it all counts. And KP was not available at launch-- sorry. It came a month after launch. And you are including things in Rift Year 2 like that is somehow comparable. SWTOR isn't in Year 2 yet. And sure-- do EQ. EQ had very minimal content within the first year and honestly I wouldn't compare SWTOR to EQ even if it made SWTOR look good. That was an entirely different generation and style of MMOs. Most people hadn't even hit 50 yet within the first year in that game because leveling simply took forever.

This argument again.. Would you have preferred they take their time and make 1.6 right or rush it out all in 1 bigger patch? Damned if they do and damned if they don't. The content is still released and available. That's better than not released and not available.

It doesn't matter that it was here at launch. I'm just going by total content. If you want to go by post-launch released content it's all SWTOR. And what else do you want to compare it to? You say its not enough content for a year in but by the industry standard we are well above average of content at a year in. Compare it to Rift. Compare it to Aion. SWTOR produces more content than anyone else has by this point in their development.

Want to know how much content WoW had 1 year in? 2 raids. 3 battlegrounds. Minimal additional side content. Didn't even have dailies at this point. No hard mode 5-mans. Only a handful (like 3) "end game" instances. What have we gotten? EV (3 modes), KP (3 modes), EC (3 modes), TFB (2 modes) Voidstar, Novare, Huttball, Civil War, and the new one. Normal and Hard mode flashpoints. We also got new space missions and a new companion side quest. I would say we are doing just fine in the content department. edit: I should also add that WoW released one "end game instance" (Dire Maul) halfway through the first year whereas SWTOR released 2 (Kaon/Lost Island).

You all are being ridiculous. This wasn't just "cats and cows". This was a patch that included a new warzone and new tier of PvP gear. We also recently got 3-4 hours of content in the HK line. Before that we got a new operation and new tier of PvE content. I mean seriously-- just because there is a lawnmower with Christmas lights on the cartel shop doesn't mean that's *all* there is.

The space missions don't give you much of an advantage over anyone else in this game. The rewards, as I understand them, are some paltry daily comms, some space comms, and like 2 black hole comms a week. Space comms are useless unless you want a space suit. Black hole gear is a tier behind and 2 black hole comms? Really? And that leaves daily comms. There are currently 4 entire zones dedicated to farming dailies--requiring a couple hours a day that most people don't do, at least in their entirety. So no I don't believe the space missions are P2W as there is no real advantage given.

I agree that the holiday items were going a bit far. The rest I'm fine with though. It's kind of fun getting on in the morning on patch day and watching everyone open up the packs to see what they got.

Ah ha! That wasn't on dulfy earlier. Awesome. Seems its just a little rarer than the others. Disregard thread.

Just to make sure-- you didn't get a Rangehunter EE-1 Carbine, right?

I have seen a new pistol, cannon, sniper, 2h saber, and 1h saber but no blaster rifles. Did my operative get neglected? Or is my server just amazingly unlucky?

I got 2 imp banners, ubrikki crimson claw/sand devil, and another damn covert energy armor. Seeing another one of those armors almost sent me into a rage. I've gotten like 12 of them already.

Coming back in to say I've stabilized. Someone must've rebooted the hamsters.

I have d/c'd 6 times in the span of 30 minutes. I have comcast business class and running a normal speed test and everywhere else on the internet is connecting fine. Dropping from the server nonstop.

I'd pay for this.. a lot. I want to make the following changes: Gunslinger: Human -> Twi'lek Mara: Human -> Miraluka (have it unlocked so its fair) Sage: Chiss -> Miraluka. (Thought I'd dig the chiss jedi, but I feel too restricted on my color combos lol) Guardian: I just want to be able to recustomize. Charge me $50 each and I'm willing to throw $200 at this right now.

Anecdotal evidence, sans data no less, is not useful to the discussion. My op can pull 1700 dps. I know maras in NM EC that barely pull that. I also know maras that pull 2k+ A 300 dps difference is kind of huge.

It's more that we're an endangered species of a class and no one comes here to read anything.

I hope we get some cool new armors that aren't just reskins. Crossing my fingers.

And Bioware said this isn't going to happen. The class stories are set and not likely changing.

Who actually cares? It's HM Foundry. Anyone that queues up with you likely outgears the crap out of the place and can easily carry one player through one of the easiest FPs in the game.

What's "Not true" about "not likely"? Bioware has explicitly stated as much. They want to keep the player character a basic speaking race. They paid good money for those voice actors and by god they're going to use them.

I honestly don't understand most of the negativity toward the game. There are issues yes, but nothing generally on the level that would induce the amount of rage and vitriol some of you suffer from. None of the issues presented in this game detract from the fact that it's my favorite MMO on the market. I have 6 50s. Most of which are fully geared out in BH/campaign, or at the very least a small sprinkling of Rakata. I have finished every class story except for the Trooper and the Bounty Hunter and I have finished every companion available to me, including gearing them all up in at least columi (except for the droids but with the new droid stuff I'm working on it). I have also cleared everything short of HM TFB and NM EC. I have every crew skill maxed out--some multiple times. I have every ship fully equipped. I have been legacy level 50 for months. I have every legacy thing unlocked (and the old fashioned way no less) except for a few minor things like the pvp droid and all the xp stuff I didn't need because I was 50 before they came out. And I have done HK manually 4 times. There is very very little left for me to do in this game and I still love playing for many hours every day. More so lately after we got new content. Do I wish the crafting system was more in depth? Yes. Do I wish there was more solo non-linear content, sandbox or not, at 50 outside of dailies? Yes. Do I wish for tighter PvE balance (I don't really pvp that much)? Yes. Are some of the bugs annoying? Other than the naked companion bug, that was already fixed, most of them don't bother me *that* much. Yeah I'd like it if companion lightsabers weren't stupid, but I don't lose sleep over it. All of those things are still possible though. I don't see anything as so fundamentally broken that the game suffers for it. All I see is a great solid base to build on. Who knows what our first expansion will bring? Probably some cool stuff. So to the point of the thread-- I'm already happy. I'm just confused as to why you aren't.

We'll likely never get a race that doesn't speak galactic basic since the class stories are all spoken in basic.