Great vid! I liked it One of my fav things is when you roll up on someone and they flat out underestimate you because they think your dps/pvp is going to be wack.... then you can see the moment where they realize they are **** lol. Vicious throw at 30% is going to be night night for a lot of people.

Schwarz do you have all BM gear or do you mix in Rakata?... Reason I ask is Im full vindicator champ pieces, dps focus, holo relic, I do have warlead implants but weaponmaster other pieces and my str is around 1330. I checked out the BM gear and dont see how Im gonna pull another 150-180 str out of it? Am I missing something or does it come out to around 1500 when full BM vindicator/weaponmaster geared out? Sry if you posted that, I think Ive read every page on this thread by now but may have missed it.

On Leap or Charge it added a 2 second stun. Great for pve but too foul for PVP (capping resolve bars very easily) Glad its gone.. hope it is avail for the very few that enjoyed it as a talent option... if not I dont think many will miss it.

Wait...what?? you mean I dont have to rage out anymore? you mean .... serious? dont mess with me yo.

RIP Mitch

Do what I did yo... go online and just get it..... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826153054

You take away an immortals stun/control and they are really hurting in the utility dept, I mean really hurting, which is essentially what this will do, and likely drive most to rage spec so atleast they can kill someone when their whitebarred. On top of that extending the aoe taunt to its full CD is one of the only other reasons we're even around lol... well, que sera sera. I cant believe it hasnt come up in the 10 questions of the week or whatever the devs do... I guess people are too worried about if they can make a chiss trooper or have same-sex relationships ingame... ugh.

1.2 will be the "Rise of the Hybrids"... The addition of the mandatory crash stun is so foul to me that Im prob going to just play another class all together if the resolve issue gets out of hand (I know a cpl dope tankassins ).... Which really irks me because SW is really all I wanted to play in this game and has turned out to be pretty much the most disappointing class so far Not only that but I am valor 58 with all but 3 pieces of champ gear, so Im just about to the point where Im getting nasty gear and coming into the role.... bummer.

Your style of play could be the problem... or you could be wack. Either way roll something else and stop complaining. There are more than enough assassins to take your spot. And Im not even going to bother arguing with you about utility, because I know a couple assassins on my server that simply run game in WZ.

Nice, saving this to check out later thanks!

A moderator once said if you want to request something be stickied then use the "flag" button for the request

I have a suggestion of what they can do with it....

Very good point and one of the things I love doing is controlling when someone dies and when someone is delayed/rerouted to the point they wish they were dead lol Also I am more partial to the 31/8/2 than 32/7/2, best full immortal spec IMO. Edit: Though I will say force push has been crazy trixie lately... ill fchoke then strafe so I can push them into the acid pool and they just go flying off to the right or almost behind me ugh...

Since youre getting many foul L2p responses Ill shed a little light that helped me. I was pretty bummed about this class till I read Swartz thread [PvP 'DPS' Immortal Build 32/7/2] in the jugg forums, and also rerolled and played against some really good juggs on my sage. A. Get mostly champed out. You will be so much more noticably affective when you have majority champ gear. B. Get DPS Champ gear Until you are very versed with your toon you are really only going to get damage ranges of 100k-200k, and should have anywhere from 60k-100k protection (unless you have a pocket healer). If you are not getting atleast 50k prot then you are chasing too many people for kills and not trying to guard and "tank" as much. Guard, taunt, stun read Swartz guide (and all the great feedback from others in that thread) in the jugg forums and it will seriously help you understand the overall general role of a group goal oriented tank spec jugg.

As immortal these changes are really foul. Cant speak for rage or veng because I dont play those specs enough to be good at them but given the feedback, it would seem that the jugg is getting all round shafted. Thrown gauntlet changes = foul stun on charge change = foul ravager change = so foul ... hollar

Thrown gaunt is also wack now since unless they add something else, its just going to have a CD benefit for force push... which will likely not matter much since the resolve bars are going to be full so much quicker lol.

Thats all I want to know.

Im still thinking/hoping they just didnt think about the resolve aspect of this change. Maybe they did it on purpose but seems like a pretty big nerf if so... they prob thought this would be a great improvement for PVE, not really thinking about how it will impact PVP.

ughhhh -_-

No I wish I could my friend.... As far as I could tell the number one complaint about jugg tanking was PVE aoe/threat issues, couple that with the fact that I dont think Ive ever seen anyone label jugg OP so.... hmm no I cant think of any reason

Yea me too and cant seem to get a straight answer... so I guess Im just going to roll on PTR to 10 and find out for sure for myself. If I dont have to train it then I will skip it and stop my ***********. My guess is it will be auto learned upon choosing the adv class.

Can we confirm it is trainable. I thought passives were auto learned with the excepting of the adv class? I saw in PTR thread started about it that someone said they were playing on PTR and they did not have to train it, that it was auto learned. If anyone knows for sure that would be great and save me the time of grinding to lvl 10 on the PTR, thanks

Yea I would prob try to voice concerns about this in the PTR thread... I think there is one going for this topic. If enough join the thread Im sure it will draw attention.

Agreed, this is the key to its use

I dont think you have a choice when it comes to learning passive abilities. It would imply this "skill" will be auto learned if you have reached lvl 10. Im afraid picking this one up is not an option Edit: I was going to just test it on PTR tonight if I have time.