It's been implied throughout my Jedi Consular and Jedi Knight playthroughs that although marriage and romantic love are heavily discouraged by the Jedi Order, a good number of them (the Jedi) still do it anyway in secret. I can think of at least three examples where a couple consisting of at least one Jedi partner were either about to embark on a relationship, or had been in one for quite some time. I would hazard that most Jedi have at one point or another been in love with someone else. They're still sentient beings with emotions and hearts, so unless they go out of their way to avoid attachments, it's likely that most of them have been attracted to another person. However the chances of a relationship between a Jedi and another person working out in the long term are pretty slim. Jedi generally travel from planet to planet, and don't spend too long in one place unless they're training someone or helping people. They couple would either have to deal with being separated for long periods of time, or end it. That's likely how most of these relationships end. Which is not to say they all end that way. Given various comments I've heard in-game, there seem to be plenty of Jedi who have secret marriages and families throughout the galaxy. It's like a well known secret. Everyone's heard of them, but never actually seen them. Besides. the Jedi Order can hardly stop every single member of their order from having relationships. And if the couples are ever found out, the worst they can do is expel the Jedi spouse/partner if they refuse to end their relationship. For the very well known Jedi, such as the Jedi Knight and Consular, they'd probably let them get away with it as long as they were discreet about the whole thing. By the end of the first three chapters, they're incredibly well known Republic Heroes. Stripping them of their Jedi status would likely be crippling to moral and accomplish nothing. And they might figure that if the Jedi in question ever did turn to the Darkside, they might very well be able to pin the secret marriage as the cause, thus discouraging future Jedi from entering into one. The Jedi Order discourages romantic love not because they see it as evil or wrong, but because for a Jedi it carries an inherent danger. Imagine the feelings of pain and heartbreak upon ending a relationship. People do stupid things all the time when their hearts are broken. They get angry, jealous, sad, bitter- all of these things can lead a Jedi down the path of the Darkside very, very easily. It's not like with a regular person who makes one mistake and can then fix it; Jedi emotions are stronger, and they echo throughout the Force thus creating the potential for the Jedi in question to make yet another decision that pulls them even further towards the Darkside. They figure it's best to just avoid the temptation altogether because when love goes wrong for a Jedi, it really goes wrong.

Personally, I loved the Sith Inquisitor story line. I thought it was much more engaging than the Consular one myself, which is supposed to be it's Republic equivalent. The Inquisitor has some of the most excellent lines in the game. To quote: "If you think this is crazy, you should meet the other half!" referring to themselves. ... maybe you had to be there to get the full impact. Anyway, I thought it was very fun and I would suggest it to anyone.

That... that was surprisingly amazing and deep for HK-47! I had forgotten that scene entirely from the game. Then again, it has been a while since I played that one. I wouldn't mind if they didn't have Tharan in the future as an LI, but I would like someone who would compliment the Consular's personality. After playing her a while (Once I got to level 20, I knew I had to get to the end, exhausting though it may be) I came to realize that maybe her personality is just quiet and generally expressionless. I didn't think of it in positive terms until I thought about a good friend I have who is like that as well. He's fairly quiet, and unless you know him it's difficult to have a conversation with him, BUT when he's with someone who's dramatic and animated most of the time (usually me) he seems much more approachable because it looks like his reactions are just bouncing off of mine, and visa versa. So now it's not so much that I hate the Consular's personality, it's more that s/he needs someone else there to balance their personality out. Iresso doesn't really do that, as least not to an extent that I personally find satisfactory. I can't speak for Nadia's personality however, because there's no way I'm playing a Consular again.

It's all right. I resigned myself to this discussion continuing despite my gentle attempts to urge it back onto topic 5 pages ago. No, really, it was fun to read it. How we got to this subject I can no longer recall, and frankly it's more amusing not to, however I am glad that we can now let it lie... until someone else brings something up that relates vaguely to the subject but is enough of a comment to get someone started on an entirely different topic. I've got a bet going with myself about that. Speaking of bets... hilarious image... Doc verses Andronikus in Pazaak. Am I the only one expecting some sort of cross-class companion moment in the future? I mean, Risha and Vette both talk about each other, Doc knew Kaliyo from the Agent line, plus Nemro the Hutt was killed by the Bounty Hunter... I would not be surprised to know that Akaavi knows Torian somehow. Personally I love those cross-over moments myself. It might be fun to see all that in a future expansion, because then we get to see the companions with their own friends, outside of the ones on the ship they currently occupy.

Gave it some thought. Would like to trade in Akaavi and Skadge for someone(s) else, but all of the other companions are perfect where they are.

Congratulations. You successfully caused me to laugh so hard water came out of my nose. I know that's probably TMI, but it had to be said. The resulting images were just too hilarious.

I don't dislike Akaavi in the Smuggler's companions, but she kind of serves no purpose for me. I already have like 2 tanks (Corso and Bowdarr, at least that's how I use them), so I never bring her into battles with me. Plus she doesn't seem to get along with any of my other companions, so she's always commenting on them being weak or something like that. She's just not a good fit.

Maybe they won't do the tragedy route, but I almost wish they would. The chances of the characters actually having children in-game is nil, I would say, and considering how the main storylines (not counting Makeb or any other new planets) is about two years, any new expansion would just make the likely hood of them having kids even less, especially if they're Chapter expansions and could be as long as a year in-game. All the companions, whether they're romancable or not, promise to keeping your legacy alive, but some of the classes don't even have that option because they don't have apprentices/padowans. And also, has anyone else noticed the useless escape pods in their ships? I kind of hope they have an expansion where your ship is destroyed and you're separated from your crew and you have to go find them all. That would be fun I think. But they have to have something in mind that would warrant an escape pod, or they wouldn't have one you could click on and stuff anyway.

Personally I kind of think they're going to have a story arc where by some accident or cruel plot either you or your romantic partner is made sterile or you have to give up a kid right after you give birth to it. That would fit into the general SWTOR plot lines nicely I think. But yes, kids I think are never going to happen. I think the writers just tossed that last convo in there for people who might like that discussion. Not that I didn't, but it confuses me a bit. Although it would be really neat to see how the spouses react to loosing a child/giving it up/never being able to have one.

I think I know what music you're talking about. Try this and tell me if that's it. I think that might be it. I haven't been on Alderaan in quite some time, but if I recall correctly, it seemed very similar to this music.

Huh. Well that's good to know. I guess I didn't think it was possible due to having never seen a Chiss/human hybrid before. Maybe Vector and my Chiss Agent can increase the number of their odd little family after all then. It may just be me, because the guys are the ones who bring it up in conversation, but it seems like the male romances want kids more than FemToons do. It's interesting when those conversations come up.

Well, while I can appreciate your views and your logical approach to discussing it, I have to say that I still disagree with you on the matter of how you define "mature enough to be in a relationship" in regards to different ways of aging, etc, etc. I appreciate you going out of your way to explain your thought process on the matter, though. I did enjoy reading it. Regardless of whether or not you should romance someone who either ages faster/slower or hasn't experienced enough of life, I highly doubt that the SWTOR devs would create a Chiss character who was in their teens and then allow them to marry in-game. As has already been stated by some, this could cause some issues in the player base and possibly with others. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say all the characters are in their early to mid twenties at the time the story opens. Plus, not everyone cares enough about the lore to read into the aging process of various alien species, including Chiss. For safety's sake, I'd say that BioWare would make the official age well above the legal one present in most countries. Torian Cadera is the youngest male romance option, and I believe that he's 18 or 19. I'm a big enough looser to do the math on how old he is at the start of the BH storyline. Interestingly enough, Quinn is the oldest male romance at the age of 37. I was pretty surprised at that. If anything, I'd expect Aric Jorgan to be that age, but he's only 30.

I personally agree with Seireen's view on this one. A 10 year old Chiss will have gone through puberty and everything much earlier than we would have, true, but that doesn't make them any less of an adult. If anything, it might make them more of one because they've had to go through everything much sooner than a human would have. Look at the Asari in the Mass Effect universe. They live to a thousand years, and Liara T'Soni is over a hundred years old when you first meet her. She's 70-80 years older than Shepard, but that doesn't stop the two of them from starting an intense passionate romance if the player so chooses. And other Asari date and marry Salarians, who live on average 60 years. I know that's crossing different universes, but I was just using that as an example. In the end I think it just comes down to how an individual feels about it. If it weirds a person out to be romantically involved with someone so much older/younger than them, then it's perfectly fine for them to view it as odd. I think the rule should pretty much be as long as the person is a legal adult within their own society, it should be alright to engage in a romance as long as both parties are comfortable and aware of what a relationship with someone else, be it of the same or a different species, entails.

They might not have dialogue now, but in the future they may change it to reflect a Cathar trooper's species better. It might not be possible for them to re-record lines they already have, but that couldn't keep them from doing it in the future.

Eh, good point. I suppose that was my "normal every day" people I was thinking about, not the citizens of the Star Wars universe where there are certainly stranger sights than that.

Wolves and dogs can breed, yes, but tigers and lions are incapable of breeding by natural means. Ligers exist via genetic experimentation. That is, it's all done in petri dishes in labs. Of course, I am no biologist or geneticist, but I believe that although they are both of the feline genus, they have evolved into separate, incompatible (for breeding) species. Most species, including Chiss and humans, may share a common ancestry or close similarities in biology, but it's unlikely they could actually successfully breed. Plus... a Chiss/human hybrid might not look all that pretty if it were possible. If someone walks around with pure red eyes, that might freak people out.

Frankly I'm of the opinion that if your character did have a kid, it'd be sent off to live with someone else in safety. The lives of the toons are not ones of peace. What I would love to see for the Jedi classes would be a story arch where the Jedi Council discovers your secret marriage/relationship and forces you to either annul your marriage or be ejected from the order. Then you have to go on a mission to prove that you are a follower of the LS before they accept you back into the order. If you choose the Jedi over your spouse, you lose a crap-ton of affection with them (heartbroken as they are), and if you choose your marriage you get like 500 DS points.

I'm not sure. I have a FemTrooper who I made Cathar just because I wanted to, but I haven't gotten nearly far enough to know one way or the other for sure. I also don't know if anyone can answer this question as the Cathar are a very new species and it takes time to progress through an entire class story. If someone does know the answer, I'd be delighted to know as well. However, my first instinct would be "no", simply because the lines are already recorded and its not a big enough deal to go and change a few words when the spirit will remain the same. They may have pre-recorded the lines for a Cathar/Cathar romance in anticipation for the eventual species release, but again, I doubt it.

There are moments in every romance where you can say "No, this is going too far," and you will get massive disapproval and the romance will end. You also have the option to not marry your romance, although by that point you're already sort of locked in. Ending a romance is the most clear for the Jedi. Since having a real, loving relationship is dangerous according to the order, engaging in one gives you DS points. Ending a romance gives you LS points. For Sith Inquisitors: Andronikus Revel- only female romance. Ashara Zavros- only male romance.

No, that's not what I want from these games. I like them as thy are. I was simply stating that there is, overall, little to do with the KOTOR games since they (the devs) figure the big bucks are in movies. I don't mind it. I was saying it in response to someone saying that he could see KOTOR influences in the game.

It not so much that I hate her as it is that I really don't feel anything at all when I play her. That may be the biggest failing. The story line isn't bad, the companions, even Iresso, are tolerable, but it's like the Consular is apathetic because you never get a glimpse of what s/he really wants. I'm not sure if they get more emotional if they're DS, but as LS, there's little in the way of speech to let you think that they, as a person, has an opinion outside of "This is good, this is bad, this is illogical," type thing. Which is why I think Iresso was a poor choice for Consular Romance. If it's DS to have a real romance because it causes a dangerous variety of emotion, then it should show in the Consular's actions, at least involving him. Iresso just doesn't do that. Doesn't challenge or compliment the Consular's differences and beliefs like Tharan or Zenith do.

The Jedi Knight should sound the same way by that logic, but s/he clearly had plenty of personality when s/he speaks. I would find it odd then that one group of Jedi are supposed to have all the personality of a goldfish while the other can be as animated as they please. I don't believe the Jedi teach that you should cut off all facets of your personality. I find myself disliking the consular because its like they're Vulcans or something. It's nigh impossible for me to grow attached to her at all, which is not good when you're stuck with that character for however long you play.

I think what they tried to do was make romances, both mail and female, foils or sort of opposites to the characters. They probably did this to make the romances more interesting, like, Andronikus Revel wanting no authority and just being free to roam, but he falls for a Sith tied to the Empire that arrested him. Oh, the irony. But Iresso just didn't succeed in this for me. He's sweet, and that's it. It's not even like the Consular is mean, which makes it even more pointless. Both the consular and Iresso feel like cardboard to me. It just doesn't work.

Both my SW and SI were light sided. I played it as my SI was light sided first because she was a slave, so her first tendency was to stick up for the underdog and help people since she can do that now. My SW is played as her daughter, so she's been raised to be LS. You can RP your characters however you like. Don't you ever let someone say you're wrong in how you play. I like playing LS Imp best because when you help someone, they never seem to expect it so they're always so grateful. On the Rep side, you're supposed to be good and do good things. So you help someone, it's not a big deal. That's how it seemed to me at least.

I let the two have their relationship. Pretty much just did it because why not. I RP my Jedi Knight as trying to figure out what she really believes in rather than going all out dark or light side. Being at peace constantly is easy in a controlled environment where everyone is encouraging everyone else to stay calm and keep their head. In the real world, if a group of what-have-yous is slaughtering townspeople, you can bet people will be screaming "RUN!! RUN FOR YOUR LIIIIIIVES!!" Going from the peace of Tython to the chaos of the rest of the world would be disconcerting to say the least. However, I can see both sides of the argument here. On the one hand, you risk a person overcome by emotion running around, letting loose their rage on everything because that's how they gain power. On the other hand, trying to keep them from things that everyone else has to deal with doesn't seem like a good plan. Is a Force Sensitive more susceptible to abuse of power? Yes. Does that mean that they will automatically do so? No. What keeps them from doing this? I would say at the very beginning, love. One padowan is trained by one master, who is for lack of a better term, like a father or mother. They are their padowan's guide and guardian, and a young child will do whatever they need to in order to get their parent's approval. A young child, seven, eight, maybe younger, will automatically latch onto their parent figure. They will love him or her because that person is their protector and friend. And the master, if they are a good master, will love the child back. The kids aren't good because that's what they really want to start out with. They're good because they want to make their master proud of them. It's only later that the concept of good for the sake of good is really understood, and even then a desire for acceptance and pride can play a large part in it, even if it's unstated. I agree with those who quote Jolee Bindo. Love is not wrong. It can hurt, yes. It can change a person, yes. But it can also be one of the greatest experiences of a person's life, whether that love be a friend, or a comrade, or a sibling, or a lover. And yes, while Force Users are more susceptible to the Dark Side, love can keep a person from it just as easily as being emotionless can. That's my own belief, anyway.