heres swiftsure must be nice to be where you are...http://youtu.be/fRLf_IpgXbA

If they gave people the choice of wz to go would help to....Gabe thinks that would be a negative thing go figure

Yeah im waiting to see what 1.2 has but why we have to wait for a customizable ui as a "coming soon" feature has me scratching my head. I like the dev team but i have lost faith in pvp development. When i see what happened at 1.1 patch and james ohlen saying "we have the best pvp team" when we dont even have a raid assist or even a tangible objective (not pretend taking the outside of a base) in ilum is beyond me. I feel like i been waiting for this game for years only to be told to wait longer and trust bioware. Well i dont..anymore anyways im gonna give it 6 months but i have a feeling 1.2 will be it for me well see. To those who dont think this was advertised as a pvp mmo listen to this "the best in game gear is gotten by pvp" I like how he saying ilum 100vs100 what will happen? well apparently you instance the hell out of it gabe and make me spend all my time shuttling to go to ilum 3 or 5 or whatver one has the most action only to not be able to go cuz its full! I cant wait for con to say if you think ilum sucks raise your hand...

The game was advertised a pvp game heres the proof Notice gabe emphasizing how the best gear and everything else is from pvp. They geared this game as a pvp mmo and its just not The interview on this post was last year as is this video in fairness to gabe. Either way though its not what what he said its not no 100vs100 and theres a gd cap b/c most the time im either shuttling to go to another ilum "instance" then when i shuttled i cant go b/c its red and wont let me. The real issue isnt ilum though the bigger issue and problem is making rep side more appealing. this is my view of ilum 50% rep side not appealing enough 50% ilum poorly made and bugged/laggy no real "objectives" only pretend base capture Gabe cant make ilum same faction pvp and even if they could it would turn off more people, B/c youll have same faction wz and ilum the bleeping lore and star wars in general isnt about same faction fighting there just ignoring makign wookies and alien races and there going to have to do it at some point The other thing is there attitude seems to be oh we can take our sweet time with this and its not that big of a deal well i guess when everyones playing gw2 and other game theyll announce wookies lol.

the real solution is to make rep side more appealing. There gonna have to make wookies playable/alien races and give more people incentive to play rep side. This is the real issue. And thats how you fix the balance. As for ilum i spent so much time shuttling and being locked out of fights b/c of this idiotic instancing crap on a suposed "open wold" setting just ruined the open world experience for me

this is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard. Warzones have hurt open world pvp badly. Ilum is already instanced to hell. Ilum needs a GIGANTIC revamp to say the least. What needs to be done is holding the devs to what they promised us. I want the 100vs100 that gabe advertised for ilum i want my objective based "open world" pvp that was advertised.If ilum gets turned into a warzone thats the death of open world pvp and im out if that happens i hate the dam warzones if i had my way it would just be open world pvp and thats its. Warzones cause more bad then good and hinder open world pvp

So much for a 100vs100 eh gabe? Nothing more annoying then hearing hey all the actions in ilum 3 but its red i cant go to ilum 3... looking fwd to con where its face to face and they have to answer you. Honestly why people still go to ilum is beyond me they flat out lied and theres no real objective besides taking the outside of the rep base and have an flyby by your sides fleet hey we got same faction pvp coming guys!! who needs open world pvp when you can in house fight each other 24/7 due to lack of wookie/alien development on biowares part

you can make it only work so far. You cant make imbalance work or change the objective yourself the devs have to change it to what they advertised it to be. Even if we got both sides organized your still going to be dealing with the imbalance thats on biowares hands not ours. i understand your point but that will only go so far until they fix ilum its 50/50 were 50% bioware is the other 50% what i have seen in making it work is these d bags who farm each other for valor and thats not right either

there is no real objective. A solo person can run up to the other sides base and shoot 2 rockets and take the outside of the base? Thats no objective the other points arent even bases or much of anything. A real objective is forming a raid and going into the other sides base and killing that sides base boss and capturing that sides base. THATS a REAL objective. This is what the devs think ilum is its not the ilum we know. The other issue is this isnt open world pvp its heavily instanced pvp now. Its just a big warzone basically and if there is a fght going on you cant go to that ilum b/c 9/10 times its full and you get screwed out of the pvp for not switching instances fast enough

there going to have to put wookies as a playable race/alien races to balance this out. Making same faction pvp will only go so far you cant make 90% of pvp in house fighting. Im giving it 6 months but im thinking 1.1 will be it for me well see. Just wish they didnt screw around so much we could have really had something......

I dont expect it to be perfect what i do expect is what im told by bioware i didnt ask them or demand they claim thier best pvp team. Gabe was the one saying 100vs100 epic fights in ilum he said id be amazed by ilum well im not. The only thing im impressed by with bioware is they are trying and they are fixing things i notice. Thier good guys ive met them personally but i just disagree with ilum and how pvp is. After playing lotro though im used to being lied to sadly

the problem is this was advertised as a "pvp" game more then anything Ive seen stephen reid say the pvp works very very good. Ive heard james ohlen say we have the best pvp team. Watch that video thats the head pvp guy gabe thier saying about 100vs100 and look at ilum. Its not amazing its almost instanced as much as wz's now. Out of my kinship from swg only 2 of us log in now the others from lotro 1 made a rep toon and i dont even see the others anymore... Your going to see me on youtube at the comic con b/c im going ask for an apology and im going hammer them about not making wookies and making rep side better same faction pvp will not solve the balance issue the legacy might if it has wookies or alien races my gut feeling is that reps will be able to play chiss and pureblood siths which is going make it a little better not much. Thier going to have man up and make wookies and revamp rep side. Im gonna bring a laptop to so when they say we cant make wookies well ill show them the great hunt storyline and my smuggler friend companion. It can be done thier just being lazy and saying it will cost to much well if they really blew 200-300 mil on this game as ive heard not sure if thats true then why they didnt invest into wookies then sure worries me. This game really reminds me of dcuo it had exactly the same issues that game had with the pvp. Look where dcuo is now? Yes this game has been out 2 months but i been in beta 6 months before live and what happened in patch 1.1 was an everyday thing in beta. I hear the op though im trying to be positive and keep playing but ive come to realize that pvp in this game is not going to be decent any time soon. The pvp in beta was actually better then live go figure we didnt have all this exploiting crap as much as we did live ill tell you that. I dont give 2 bleeps about wz's or ranking wz's I dont think they realize that the first month and even the first 6 months are so crucial to an mmo. Thier acting like oh we can make up for it later and all this not how it works in mmo's

not all servers are the same Secondly we as players can only "create" open world pvp so much when the majority is 90% imp 10% reps Sure i can run up to the rep base and shoot 2 rockets and take the outside of the base but i dont consider that to be pvp. The devs need to make wookies playable/alienraces or make rep side more appealing in general to balance this out Hey we have the best pvp team ever right james ohlen?

Why im cranking on alts. Everyone really should just not do warzones/ilum. How can we have the best pvp team according to james ohlen and its this gd bad and its not getting better. Bioware needs to make a public statement about there view of exploits and give a guideline or something. By the time patch 1.2 gets here there wont be much pvp'ers left at this point

leveling is fun here im loving it my god if people think this is a grind play lotro lmao. This leveling is nice on here. My issue is ilum is a pos thats bieng ignored and instanced to hell. So much for 100vs100 on ilum eh gabe? cross server pvp will be better but at the same time i see even more people leaving who think theres a community going to be ruined when bioware launched the game with out server forums and we still dont have them its just ridiculous. Whats killing this game is there not adressing the real issue why theres more imps then reps? All the same faction pvp will never solve the issue. People are going to be sick to death of it if not already Bioware is going to have to man up and make wookies and alien races playable for the rep side. There going to have to do it eventually it should be in the legacy thing but i doubt it. Im on swiftsure to and i got tired of ilum b/c theres no need to group really and when its done its just to camp the rep base and then its switching ilums to avoid pvp i dont even bother with it anymore. Im getting my alts up and giving this game 6 months to fix this open world pvp but so far all i hear is rated warzones and same faction pvp which doesnt interest me. Heres what i would like to see Ilum has been revamped and there is now base bosses and you can actually capture the base (not just the outside) Ilum is no longer instanced Weve heard your view and we now have playable wookies and alien races for the rep side to "REALLY" fix faction imbalance sadly i dont see this happening and i think in 6 months ill make the move to consoles and forget mmos... I hope im wrong and im still here

This is why i stop going to ilum on swiftsure On the rare occazion at 5-8am us time 2 billion reps will appear for 2 seconds roll the imps (which i dont mind wish it was like that all the time) then disappear. I wish i knew what server was the most balanced if there is one i would go there. Yes im imp due to republic side storylines suck and its so boring. In comparison to the imp side the rep side storylines a total joke i said as much in beta but oh well. The other thing is 2 million mad wow kids qq about pandas and how ilum is sucks compared to winter something in wow 24/7 then there the instancing where the reps play musical instances so i spent more time switching instances more then i pvp'ed so if i want to pvp its just camping the rep base on a maruader which is fun for 2 seconds as u you can see in the video

my feeling based on the answers from this last weeks q@a is open world pvp is on the back burner and the focus is on warzones and promoting same faction warzones. Im going to enjoy bieng at the con and asking them this directly b/c they sure arent answering much anything about ilum except for 1.1 and the valor not showing. I dont know if they think ilum is fine or what im not sure but there was a thread that was posted with an awesome idea of how ilum should have been with pictures and everything sadly that kin seems to have quit the game already and not 1 dev has commented on that issue. The bigger picture though is making rep side more appealing and making ilum bases have bosses you have to kill those 2 combined would bring ilum up to up where it was advertised to be at. I dont honestly think well see the 100vs100 fights in ilum like gabe was saying not for at least 6 months or 1 year ilum is already instanced to hell and that alone makes it hard to do anything. You spend more time switching instances then you do pvp'ng its just ridiculous. The lag is another factor its just sad really I hope we see playable wookies or a 3rd faction here other wise there commercial should just say choose imperial. The only other solution is cross server pvp which is whats already happening it looks like. I really love this game to like the op but im seeing to much similarity to dcuo and rift and look where those are now. I dont want this to go that route but they need to get the wookies and or alien races as playable or 3rd faction. The other thing is they dont seem to realize things till its to late for instance when 1.1 came out i knew that was going to happen i said 6 months ago in beta that anyone could just walk into the other sides base and camp like that and then i saw basically what happened in beta most the time in 1.1 that day. Ive been constructive as much as i can but im tired of bieng ignored when this is advertised as a uber pvp game and james ohlen saying this is the best pvp dev team when things are the way they are. They want us to trust them but they ignore ilum when everyone is saying it sucks 24/7 not everyone is wrong ya know? Good luck i hope they listen b/c there gonna get a mouthful from me at con

zerg u say

I would just forget ilum its instanced to hell and you spend most your time taking speeders to go to the other instance only to find the other side has gone back to another instance to avoid pvp its just waste maybe in 6 months maybe but right now its just a waste

Its quite sad that i can go up to the rep base and shoot 2 rockets and pretend take the outside of the rep base lol. No need for raids or anything nothing you can actually take or a base boss you can kill. All the pvp development is going to warzones and same faction pvp. That does nothing solve the issue in the long run you cant make open world pvp same faction Acording to james ohlen this is the best pvp team in the world yet we cant even get a raid assist Not making wookies/alien races playable is the real issue. Rep side is just not as good as sith side. so apparently in this time line based on biowares ideas here the imps/rep spend all thier time fighting themselves and not each other is the way this seems to be going.

i did why im posting this. I doubt they will be wookies in the legacy thing would make it better but i doubt it. I have feeling the legacy system is just gonna be were able to play the races we cant on the opposite side. Would be ok but i dont see that solving the balance much maybe a little but not much really well see i guess

Im writing this b/c I feel like ilum and open wold pvp is bieng set to the side and quitely ignored. I notice a lot more investment is bieng put into warzones? Yet we still cant even choose them and your going to introduce a new warzone without the option of choice. I would like to point this out about this scenario. Gabe has said if we were to have the choice of what warzone we want this would be a "negative" thing until we have cross server pvp. Well in case the devs arent aware people are already cancelling out of warzones they dont want already by other means myself included when i rarely do them. So how is this any different from how it is now other then your forcing people to play ones they dont want to? Having a choice is a never a bad thing. My gut feeling is that your concerned about people not playing huttbal enough doesnt mean im right just my 2 cents. If a new warzone is launched without the option to choose that warzone i gaurantee you people will be dropping out of warzones 90% more then they usually do the first week or 2 of that new warzone. Same faction warzones? We already have huttball and making more same faction warzones doesnt solve the issue in the long run. To be honest same faction pvp creates more negative issues then it does good. I have imps who are mad and try to zerg me like nuts for killing them so many times. It may not be the same on all servers but thats my view of same faction pvp. Ilum This has been the biggest letdown for me. This is why i dont like ilum No real objective pvp. I can run up and solo take or "pretend" take the outside of the rep base. This is not an objective really. A real objective is actually taking control of the base itself and killing a "base" boss. My feeling is it was made this way b/c the reps are outnumbered and this was considered ahead of time. Real objective based pvp means forming a raid having a raid assist window (which we still dont have) and capturing a base not just taking the outside of it actually going into and killing a base boss and capturing the base. This thread about how ilum should have been seems to have gone ignored http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=234156 (that guild has quit the game btw that made that thread) 100vs100 this statement made by gabe and this video here Ilum can barely hold 20vs20 fights and then its been instanced to hell. The instancing has done more bad then good here a prime example Ilum 1: imp wheres the reps at? Ilum 3: theres a ton here Ilum 1: ok everyone go to ilum 3 ilum 3: Where did all the reps go? Ilum 1: Theres a ton of reps here in Ilum 1 This is what i saw on a daily basis people switching and avoiding pvp altogether. Or when there is pvp its just 70 plus imps camping a rep base and i dont want to be part of that. We need pvp objectives on other planets to thin out the rep camping would be an awesome thing to do. imagine if your a rep you go to ilum and its bieng camped the rep base well you could just go screw this im going to the tatooine pvp base and see whats going on there. Long term So how is open world pvp going to be dealt with? my view is its bieng swept under the rug for same faction warzones and ignored with exception of the valor fix and 1.1 mess. We cant make open world pvp same faction fighting. Cross server pvp might help. Republic side Pvp is paying the price for not making the rep side more appealing. I understand your view of wookies not bieng a playable race but this was a bad decision and ill explain why. Wookies as a playable race would have made the game more balanced. I feel pretty confident saying there would be a large amount of people who would switch sides to play a wookie including me. Now it might even be to much but i would rather be outnumbered and fight 500 wookies then i would sitting at the rep base for 5 mins and then leaving ilum out of boredom as a imp. Im sure ill hear we cant make wookies. Well playing a bounty hunter in the great hunt storyline theres a wookie in there and i can understand him just fine and his mouth is moving and making all the noises and racket. It would have been a worthwhile investment to do this. To jame ohlen You've asked me a customer to trust bioware and you. Well i did to be honest but heres why i dont anymore James ohlen "we have the best pvp team in the world" I find this statement to not be true. No offense to the devs or you i actually like the devs i met them at con and i hope to discuss this in person with you at the con if your there. The pvp has been a HUGE letdown. If we have the best pvp team for this game why is ilum bieng ignored and not made how it was represented to be before launch? I was in beta i seen ilum for months ahead of time and i even said about what happened with the 1.1 patch 6 months ago in beta but you didnt listen then? The other issue which is a non pvp related issue is a customizable ui as a "coming soon" feature that comes standard in any other mmo seems bit silly to advertise that as new feature when its standard elsewhere. Same faction pvp investing more then open world. This is not a long term solution and not a solution for open world pvp. Gabe amategelo 100vs100 epic pvp on ilum i have found this to not be true nor accurate. What i see is a valor farming paradise for imps and reps leaving the game or joing the imp side. Kinships trading kills is unaceptable to say the least. In the end it doesnt matter those kinships will leave when they get thier gear anyhow they were never there to pvp. No "REAL" objective based pvp to date. Bien able to solo take the outside of a base is just wrong and not epic or anything. It should take a raid to kill a base boss to take a base. After seeing how Ilum was advertised by you 2 and how its turned out its quite disapointing. Im hoping in 6 months time im not unsubbing due to lack of open world pvp investement. If we really do have the best pvp team then we can really do better im "hoping" See you at the con guys...

Whats not bieng said id the majority of those quitting were the ones who got there suit in the 1.1 fiasco and the ones who do valor farming. Yes there is probably others who are niether of these quitting to. This is another thing ive been saying and im glad those people are quitting they didnt want to pvp in the first place. As for the rest i do feel bad the legimate real pvp'ers that have left

If bioware wanted server communites we would have had server forums from the start.We still dont have them we have this 1/2 baked idea.Bioware doesnt understand that the first month is the most crucial month for any mmo. To not have server forums at the get destroyed the ideas of a community then to say hey go make your own server forums for your server then having those people do that only to have bioware say oh nvm were going to give you haalf baked server forums now. I knew and said all along that cross server pvp was coming. They spent 200 mill on "ok" character creation when they should have spent money on wookie's and alien races as playable to make rep side more appealing there paying for it now and so are we sadly. I still dont understand how we have the "best pvp development team" ever and pvp is just going downhill. Guess what well soon have new warzones you cant choose b/c bioware thinks if we could choose we would all choose the warzone we want. Well thats the point isnt it? So what youll have is people queing up and dropping out a ton when this new warzone comes out to reque for the one they want. So what there saying is going to happen anyways yet they screw around in doing it. just pushes me closer to cancelling hopefully ill make 6 months see how it is but this is just getting more and more bad with pvp

If its so popular why is there so much complaining about ilum? Ilum is a pos. All the focus is on warzones if u notice. So were gonna have a new warzone that no one can choose still and there worried if they give us the choice to choose it will have a negative effect? lol whats going to happen is everyone will be dropping all warzones until they get the new warzone thats what will be negative. Seriously choice is never a negative thing.