OK in all honesty my last post here. I said I was done in a previous post but I just had to ask this question. I won't respond to any posts but I'm curious to see the answers. Why do solo Q'ers want to play RWZ's against other PUGS or in RWZ's in general? The reason why you play RWZ's is to play against the top-notch PVP'ers on your server. It's competition, why dumb it down when they already have that mode: Regular WZ's? Why do you want to play RWZ's so much? I mean really ask yourself, why? If it's to acquire gear more quickly (which I see as the only possible reason) you are doing yourself more harm then good. Take your licks in Regs, become a better player by experiencing the good, bad and the ugly. You have to learn to crawl before you walk.

I now see why the majority of skilled players don't even bother coming here to post. This simply a forum for people to whine and cry and I won't be a part of a it any longer. I the majority (not all) should probably roll a Panda. I tried to help, offer advice, but NO. Reason and logic obviously have no place in a community such as this one. You guys have it all figured out. Jealousy is an ugly, ugly emotion. Continue to be bad, baddies. Cyraaxx - POT5

I thought I might be able to shine some light on the downtrodden Pyro Merc. But alas, 96% of you are complete and total idiots who don't know the difference between a POWERTECH and a PYROTECH, yes they are different. I'm out. CYRAAXX

Well done sir, well done. I lol'd rather hard at the chicken nugget analogy

I have problems with this post. More fair? Players and teams that are unbeatable in your eyes, worked hard to become like that. Nothing was given to them, they earned it. Nothing is stopping ANY player from becoming great except themselves. Rated is for serious players. You have no business in a rated if you aren't in full WH to begin with. You should assume that every team you face in a rated is fully aug'd WH. Rated's aren't there for acquiring comms to get geared. It's high-end competition and should be treated as such.

I don't know about you guys but when I think of "premades" I think of "Skilled Premades" not "Geared Premades" Is mean is it just me or do people actually blame losses on gear and gear alone? People I know and play with certainly don't. If I hear any whining about a loss it is usually "They had a better team composition", not "Oh their gear was superior!". When I lose I credit the other team, not make excuses.

Why do you keep saying that? WHEN DID I EVER SAY RECRUIT WOULD BEAT FULL WH? You sir, are an idiot. L2R: Learn to Read.

I'm on-board with the majority of what you said. I remember what it was like being new to the pvp community. I was quiet, unsure, didn't like communicating a whole lot, but I realized to be competitive in this game I needed to make friends, join a guild hop on Vent etc. I had to adapt to be where I wanted to be. And if people don't want to that's fine but I think they give up the right to QQ and be taken seriously if they choose not to adapt. The tools are available for everyone to be successful in pvp, you just gotta use them.

Why? RWZ's are meant for the hard-core pvp'ers. Wedon't play rated for the comms we play for the competition, for the glory of victory against top-notch TEAMS. The comms are just a bonus. If you complain about the competition in regs why in the world you you want to play ranked? I don't understand this school of thought.

Yeah that sucks for mercs/commandos

DK and Korriban are popular places. I prefer DK and I think most people do as well.

1. That wasn't the scenario I depicted at all. Yes, a fully geared 100 valor mara would destroy a recruit gear mara. That wasn't a fair statement. And like I said that wasn't the scenario I depicted. The only time gear would matter is when 2 players of equal skill fight each other and if both are any good they'll both be geared to begin with. So it's moot. 2. Nothing wrong with only playing 1-2 hours a day. PVP or PVE whichever you choose. It's your money and I have no qualms about how people spend their time. However, if you aren't willing to earn your stripes or get geared then you can't possibly expect to be competitive. And there is nothing wrong with that, but you certainly can't complain about others who choose to invest the time and effort to become great at the game. 3. Again that's fine, be a casual pvp'er but then don't complain about the competition. You can't have your cake and eat it too. I find it odd you attribute your success to "your gear and your friends gear" So when everybody in the WZ is geared, what determines the outcome of the match, RNG? Gear only takes you so far. Skill > Gear simple as that. And Im not talking recruit. Anyone can be full BM in like a week. So the recruit gear argument is moot. You put a 60 valor player in full WH against a 90 valor in BM/WH or full BM for that matter, the 90 valor will win more often than not. Experience, skill and knowledge are king. And I don't understand pug farming. If you and your friends have PUG's on farm, you must be fully geared already, so what's left to farm? On POT5 since the merger, I haven't played against a full 8-man pug. They have always had SOME form of premade in there. How do people know if it's a pug to begin with? If they don't have the same guild tag that makes them a pug? I know plenty of guilded players that have friends in other guilds that play together in premades. Which server/guild are you a part of?

Wait, it's still reduced to 30%

That is great news!

Hey, I know you! Cyraaxx

Roll a Pyro Merc for Deeps. That's what I run and I put up huge numbers. The class is a blast to play. Arsenal is below average in PVP unless you have a dedicated guard and/or a pocket healer, even then it's only average. I haven't met an exceptional Arsenal Merc yet. Too much is required to make an Arsenal Merc shine. Pyro on the other hand, you're a beast all by yourself.

2 is a premade? Well that's just silly. Im on POT5 now, formerly from The Fatman. Most "good" pvp'ers are guilded and the ones who aren't run with friends, they rarely if ever solo Q.

What constitutes a premade? You and a buddy? You and two buddies, or you and three buddies? Lumping 16 solo Q'ers together for a WZ would do more harm than good. It would stifle the ability to become better. It would promote poor communication, unorganized play, TDM and general zerging. All of which are terrible habits for people to learn and will really hurt them when they do try to do a rated.

I've read all 13 pages waiting for 1.4 to drop and I will put in my 2 cents (keep in mind this goes for Regular Warzones because if you are QQ'ing about premades you have no business running rateds): 1) Player Skill/Experience/Knowledge > Gear any day of the week, period. One skilled Mara/Jugg/PT etc. in full BM vs. one less skilled/experienced/knowledgeable Mara/Jugg/PT will win that fight more often than not. Players aren't limited by gear in WZ's , they are limited by skill/experience/knowledge which is gained through experience, by playing the game, by winning AND losing. Which brings me to my next point: 2) Solo Queuing/Pugging WZ's should make you better. I'll use my own experience as an example. I exclusively solo Q'd for WZ's before I had friends or a guild. I lost a lot. It was frustrating. At the time I didn't know what it took to win on the different maps ie strats or general knowledge etc. I didn't give up and decided to get better, to learn from the experiences both good and bad. School of hard knocks if you will. Over time I got better and better, having more fun in the process but more importantly making friends in the PVP community. Which brings me to my next point: 3) Make friends. Making friends will make your experience PVP'ing infinitely better. See the thing with PVP'ers is skilled/experienced/knowledgeable players take notice of one another and gravitate towards each other. Some become friends others enemies. Wow, so and so is a good heals/deeps, or he is knowledgeable ie knows how to rotate/call for help, burn a healer (so-on and so-forth)...add to friends list. The better I got, the more quality PVP friends I made. You need experienced/knowledgeable friends or quality players to run with in WZ's to be consistently successful. I don't think that is up for debate. You yourself have to be on the right path to make these friends, you can't be a fresh 50 and expect to be pals with the upper-tiered players, you gotta earn your stripes. Respect is earned, not given. I'll quote one of my buddies: "It takes the Rakata to get the Rakata" I'm not saying a 4-man premade is required, but your chances of wining will be increase when you make friends and run with like-minded players. Quickly I'll go over some other issues brought up: A) Communicate. Vent is ideal, but you have a keyboard right? Communicate before and during the match. And FFS don't make late calls: "2 inc grass" after you're dead. B) If you don't have friends or you have friends that aren't on, post in general chat "DPS/Heals/Tank LFG 50 WZ" A good rule of thumb is try to get a healer a tank and 2 DPS. However, anything is better than going it alone C) Know your class. Learn what you are best suited to do and do it. D) Don't Team-Death match. Cyraaxx

Or you could just roll a Pyro Merc and melt PT's from range. Cyraaxx

Agreed.

Top DPS on the team is a hindrance to the team I guess? Too bad you don't get objectives for burning healers and stopping caps.

He shouldn't be using Arsenal for PVP in the 1st place.

Agreed.

Powershot is utterly useless. Missle Blast IS useful, can knock 3 dudes capping an objective at instant speed and at 30m