I traded a cartel market armor I got from seasons I already owned too my gf, it cost 170k to gift it to her I feel your pain. But at the same time to the Hutt guy not samcu but the general. The fee is for what the avg value it goes for. The only reason stuff goes so high is cause of all the credits that came out of nowhere. People lost there minds and started going higher and higher with prices. Nothing in the game should cost more than 500 mill and even that is steep. As the credits disappear everything will go down in price to reasonable demands. I do lament the trading fee but at the same time when I can buy darth revans armor for my gf at around 500 mill or less I'll know it worked.

They can extend If they make earning goals quicker, I hate pvp and the only reason I do it is for the season... the quicker I can stop the happier I'll be.

But then I'd have to call them speciesist... specisist.... speciessisit.... racist is so much easier!

I mean the collector's edition and most other exclusive stuff are now on cartel market. You have my vote I've already been through it so I don't mind.

No I appreciate your answer, I guess it actually makes me hate the idea of pvp seasons, instead of fixing the problem the solution is to bring in non pvpers to artificially boost population and say look pvp is working! That is more childish than of us on the forums. I don't know if this will give you insight into me or not. But I don't do endgame content unless it's solo. Before the level sync (which I hated) I would grind out my levels till I could solo every heroic and flash point. The reward for that at the time was orange gear. My oldest toon still has some of those old Flashpoint gear. But my point is I'm just really here for story and making my character look cool, not for others to see, but for myself. If I could have a private server of this game I'd have a blast all to myself. They should remove cosmetics from pvp, and instead freaking fix it and make it fun again instead of trying to get more participants. @bioware/EA "If you build it, they will come..."

So how did pvp last so long?

I have a question for you all, If they took out all cosmetic rewards for pvp who would stick around?

I wouldn't try for the harder stuff, I don't have the skill and I don't want to make a dedicated pvp toon.

It's more like I see pvp going back to the old way it was. You had to win to get gear they provide. Nothing inherently wrong with that but basically come down to why bother imo I'm not a pvper, I'm not top 10٪ and my mindset is kind of on arena where I die so fast I don't even earn medals. I suppose WZ is different cause I can win those with a decent team. But again you still get rewarded for being a skilled player here. You get through the pvp seasons faster, you get through the weekly faster, and when your done with that you can still pvp. My reward for being here is wasting my time, dealing with negativity and finally when I get my 1,000 points I get a respite from pvp till next week.

Read my all my posts again please... I'm getting so tired of repeating myself. I have said it numerous times. Skilled players SHOULD be rewarded. I even said they should get gear fully modded or it upgrades it self and that the participants should just get empty shells of the gear. However krack said that if there was gated things behind pvp that me leaving doesn't make sense. If I cannot get something based on my skills why would I bother?? That's is not entitlement! I'm saying it not worth the effort for me. Can you tell the difference?? If not please tell me what part is not clear? Oh and just to remind you yes skill should be rewarded but I'm sure I'll have to remind you again.

Not entitlement, if it is a mode I hate and the stuff is gated I'll just leave. Entitled would be staying and then whining about it. I am just stating what I would do.

Depends is it all re-color armor each tier or is it separate cosmetics? If it is separate cosmetics I'd leave. If it is the same but different colors then I'd stay. I don't enjoy pvp that has been established.

Not b.s. you are not me, don't pretend you are I didn't pvp until these new seasons. That's not bs

If something is gated then yes I wouldn't do it? Why do you think i am all of a sudden doing pvp?? It's not rocket science if they set the bar to the point where if you absolutely have to be good or better at pvp to get exclusive rewards I would leave. I put in my time and deal with toxic aholes only because I can get something out of it. But if I have to do all that and also get so close to getting items only to find that I am not skilled enough to get them. I'd stop playing. There are limits to everybody's skill level. Not everyone can get the gold. Give rewards to skilled player but not exclusive cosmetic rewards.

You're confusing what I said. I didn't say if I cannot have it by just by showing up I'd leave... I said If I cannot get it, implying that my skill level wouldn't allow me to finish the season like krackcommando implied. I would leave most people would. Have I once said in my posts that skill should not be rewarded? Let me ask you something did everyone in swtor participate in ranked pvp?? Do you think over half the population did?? How many would you say did ranked pvp?? And why do you think they don't have it anymore.... by your logic ranked pvp should not only still be here but should be booming. Which do you think the devs are chasing right now? Your logic or mine?

No if I cannot get something I'd leave. Most people would

I have also been around since 2011, got the founder title to prove it. The exclusivity will bring down the population. This isn't the Olympics, this isn't real life, this is a video game. Olympics is full of people who want to be the best and strive to get the gold. This more like hey you want to go play basket ball in the park? Bioware is going to follow the money and pvp isn't where the money comes in. Cartel market first subs second. I don't think that should be right but that is how it goes. The people most likely to buy CM items are casuals. Bioware is not going to go for skill based or win based cause they would rather loose a hardcore then a potential CM buyer. Just my theory

The problem with that is in Arena's if you die to fast you get no medals, as if you didn't participate. Plus if you get no medals in any pvp match you get no season points as if you didn'tparticipate, you only get progess on you once a week objectives. And I don't think you can force them to put in more effort than they already are. I don't AFK, I don't use stealth character's either. Not sure if there the only ones who afk. The best solution I can think of is how to attract pvpers and not attract non-pvpers. I'm already regretting having to pvp today to get my points. And for @krackcommando the emoji is a shrug

But how do you keep them in the off season??

The people or bioware??

I'm confused... are you not aware that if you don't get a single medal you don't get points for season? It's why I only door arena 24 times a week... to get the weekly done and 100 points for season objective. But beyond that you need one medal to get 2 points if you lose. 2 points our of 1,000 for the week. In arena unless you do enough damage or kill someone or your team wins both rounds you don't get any medals at all.

I'm not AFKer myself, but I get the mindset, 65-70% of them I would suspect are just like me: Pvp is not fun and not what I want to do. Difference being I will participate (poorly). There is nothing they could do to incentivise me to get better beyond gearing to 332. I'll click my flashies and bubble at the last minute (though some how there is some kind of control that prevents it sometimes). My suspicion (again only what I think not for sure the truth) is that they aren't going to change the system to skill base because we will leave, then the pops will stop happening frequently enough to where you won't be able pvp enough to get the rewards (again just my guess) I think bioware is stuck between populated pvp (with casuals and afk) or baren pvp where they'll get yelled for pvp popping once or twice and hour (or more).

I don't disagree, there defiantly NEEDS to be rewards for pvpers and skilled pvpers. But I think bioware did seasons on purpose this way to get casuals in pvp to boost population. I would have never queued for a single match if it weren't for these pvp seasons. I think one thing they could do for skilled people is give them the cosmetic armor fully stated out. I have an idea for pvp armor that upgrades itself based on level and discipline, it could be improved wins or medal or something. And the filthy casuals (aka participators) like me get that same armor only it is empty shell that you upgrade the normal way mods.

If it can be abused in normal, in can be abused anywhere. I was running FP with my girlfriend and told them to slow down she wasn't familiar with the FP. I got kicked for speaking up and they put it as AFK. I understand your mad but don't let emotions cloud your judgment. People are aholes if you give them any chance to abuse something they will. There is only one instance where it would never be abused and that is in a perfect world... I know this world isn't perfect cause we still have level synch, So I can't solo everything I want.

I mean....... you're not wrong 🤣