We shouldn't have to go play elsewhere. What other stupid suggestions would like to add?

Yeah, let's not encourage Bioware to do their jobs or anything. Just let them turn it into a Nightmare Mode Ops fight, where if you miss an interrupt, you're screwed. That's the solution.

I've only done it in Master mode, and it always seems to happen to my groups. Thanks to whoever posted the workaround, though one of the groups I was in tried all manner of things to get around it and none of them worked. We'll see. Few things ruin game enjoyment as much as having to sit in queue for awhile only for the group to fail because of a broken fight. Then you get a GF timer lockout due to no fault of your own and a bunch of time spent for nothing.

Ship never comes back in after you use the turret. So Jindo keeps building dmg up until he wipes the group. The groups I was in tried all kinds of things and none of them worked. Seems some people are lucky and it doesn't bug on them, but for me at least, it happens every time. The only time I got past it recently was an OP group with top gear and had such high dps/heals that even with the glitch, they had high enough numbers to scumbag through it, though one or two of us still died at the end.

This is a known issue since 5.0. I've reported it multiple times. Others have reported it multiple times both in game and on the forums. WHY has it been IGNORED? And if you do plan on ignoring broken stuff you should be fixing, please for god's sake take False Emperor out of the Groupfinder queues. I've had 4 different groups ruined by this nonsense. I was expecting it to be addressed in 5.2 AT LEAST. Nope, nothing, but hey, at least those weeds on Coruscant are being dealt with, am I right? That's way more important than the FP groups getting pissed off by your broken fight. There's already multiple threads about this in the FP section. Maybe mentioning it here will wake someone up.

Eh, well, if they had any part in the actual storyline, they might have been included. I think BW left them out because not everyone has them. One or both of them were sub rewards. I'm a little surprised they didn't offer something similar this year to keep people subbed longer.

The Outlander settled comfortably in the Eternal Throne. "How did you guys get this off of Zakuul and installed in Odessan anyway?" He enquired to Theron Shan, who was busily typing away at a nearby console. "Eh, ask Ogurrobb. It was all his doing" Theron muttered without looking up. "He didn't have any pointers for what all these controls do?" queried the Outlander as he traced the outlines of the buttons on each armrest. "Uh, no, not really. You could ask Arcann, I guess" "That would be kinda weird, not to mention completely undermine his confidence in me. Besides, I don't want to interrupt their funeral ceremony for Vaylin" replied the Outlander, noticing a few more controls on the sides he hadn't seen earlier. "What about Koth? He can figure out ancient technology without any problem and maximize its potential without any tech training" Lana boasted proudly, slightly swaying as she walked into the new command room. "I see the celebrating has already started" murmured Theron, eyeing closely the slight sway of Lana's gait. "I think we've earned a bit of celebrating, even if the Outlander decides to just sit here the whole time" she replied a bit scornfully, producing a half consumed bottle of Alderaanian nectar she'd been hiding behind her back and swigging a large volume of it. "Oh, I definitely need to do some celebrating" announced the Outlander as he rose to depart the throne. Suddenly, Alarm chimes rang and notifications began pouring in. "Apparently, you haven't issued standing orders to the Eternal Fleet and they're either reverting to attacking everything or just abandoning what they were doing and returning back to Odessan to protect the throne!" announced a startled Theron as he stared at his console. Quickly, the Outlander jumped back onto his seat, and in a moment, the alarms all went silent. "I don't have to stay sitting here, do I?" grumbled the Outlander. "You'll have to find a way to issue commands to the Fleet, along with any other systems and droids connected to that frequency" Theron mused, scratching his chin thoughtfully. The Outlander huffed in annoyance as he stared at the controls on the Eternal Throne. "Fine...what about this one?" as he punched one particular button. Immediately, a host of Eternal Fleet Ships boomed in from hyperspace, quickly encircling the Odessan Command Center Structure in a protective formation. "No, no, no, not that one" exclaimed Theron as the Ships took up firing formation on a shuttle flying towards the base. Quickly hitting another button on the console, the Outlander sighed with relief when the Eternal Fleet ships stopped their powering up and went into a holding pattern. "Not sure what that did, but at least it stopped them" Lana murmured, swaying over to a side railing and looking out at the ships. The Outlander heaved a heavy sigh and slumped back in the chair. "Come on! Getting the Throne was supposed to be a fun thing, not a burden!" he moaned. "This is just the beginning. Just wait until you actually have to rule.....ha ha...we'll all call you the Administrator instead of the Outlander" Lana laughed cynically. "But that's ridiculous! I don't want to be stuck here all the time!" grouched the Outlander " I want to....go have adventures....go to other planets....find my true love again....or even a new one....and then go on more adventures. Being stuck here while everyone else is celebrating is ridiculous!" "Try another button, then" Lana slurred after taking another swig from her bottle. "No, no, wait--" Theron implored in vain before the Outlander had punched another control on the side. To everyone's surprise, a life size holo of a scantily clad woman appeared and began dancing sensuously around the throne. "I guess Valkorion wasn't so different from most guys" chuckled the Outlander as they saw the holo materialize and begin moving. "Wait..is that--" Theron stuttered. "Senya?" Lana exclaimed. "Ha! It is!" laughed the Outlander, eyeing the hologram's face more closely "A bit younger..and in...attire that is certainly not approved for Knights of Zakuul, but it's her alright" "Hey! What are you-- Whoa..." interjected Koth as he walked in, catching sight of the dancing Senya holorecording. "Lana seems to think you can figure these controls out" huffed the Outlander, making sure Koth knew he'd not fully regained his favor yet. "I think so" Koth replied after eyeing the base of the throne for a few moments, getting distracted by the passing Senya dancer again. "Koth...the controls" glared the Outlander as Koth stared stupidly at the passing Senya dancer again. "Oh...right. Do you want me to put a bomb on it in case someone else tries to use it?" Koth tried to keep looking at the Outlander despite the dancing Senya in the background. Glares from everyone in the room was his only answer. "Okay, okay, just thought I'd ask. It's not a bad safety measure, you know. If someone takes your things....you can just blow them up" Koth continued murmuring as he worked. "The Eternal Fleet ships are gone" Lana drunkenly mused after looking back out the window. "Don't worry, I've started sneaking bombs onto all the ships....you know, in case they ever turn on us" Koth declared proudly. The Outlander glared at him. "Please don't tell me you put bombs on everything..." murmured the Outlander absently as he glanced at the passing Senya hollow for what seemed like the hundredth time. "Well...not everything" Koth replied, looking up. The Outlander face palmed himself. "Koth....go this instant and get rid of any bombs you've hidden, or I'll be strapping a bomb to you next!" He grouched, sending Koth scurrying out of the command room. "Master, do you suppose this Koth Vortena meatbag could possibly be related to a Carth Onasi meatbag a previous incarnation of mine used to interact with centuries ago? They display a curiously similar pattern of behavior" piped up HK-51 from the corner. "I don't know...and I don't care. I just want to go celebrate..or at least have someone bring the celebration here" grouched the Outlander, massaging his forehead in frustration. "Well, I think we've waited long enough. Don't you, Theron?" Lana slurred as she stumbled over to where Theron was typing. "I don't know if we--" Theron started to object before Lana cut him off. "We haven't been able to change outfits for two years. I think we've earned some alone time to celebrate the end of that" Lana exclaimed, leaning against Theron and looking pitiful at him. "You know....you're right. It's about time we did" Theron replied with resolve after a moment of silence. The Outlander was left speechlessly surprised as Theron then picked up Lana bridal style and began carrying her out of the command center. "Wait...where are you--" sputtered the Outlander. "We're finally going to change clothes!" Lana slurred excitedly at him over Theron's shoulder. "Wait! Wait! Guys, come back!" the Outlander continued sputtering at the departed couple. Annoyed and unsure about the controls, the Outlander decided to console himself in the peace and quiet instead for awhile, not having much else to recourse to, but even that was interrupted later when alarms began to sound as a fleet of ships boomed in from hyperspace, immediately pounding the defenses of Odessan with orbital bombardment. Theron, still dressed in the same clothes, came running in and immediately began assessing things at his terminal as the station shook and rattled while the shields still held. "Who dares to attack us?!" grouched the Outlander, looking around for the button he'd hit earlier on the throne. A holo of a sith Lord appeared on the comm. "I am Jadus...former member of the Dark Council, and now Master of the Galaxy. You will submit the throne to me or watch all those you know slowly succumb to insanity" he sneered, holding up a seed of Dread. "Wait...what?" The Outlander muttered, trying to buy himself some time as he finally found the button he was looking for and pressed it. "Surrender the throne immediately or I will unleash seeds of dread on everything you control, forcing the minds of all those under their influence to be crushed into madness!" Jadus continued, chuckling with evil glee. "Where did he come from? And how did he get all those sith artifacts?" The Outlander whispered aside to a dazed Lana, still in the same clothes, as she stumbled in and looked at the holo message. "Probably from that super secret Vault on Nathema that we left behind. It had all kinds of super secret weapons and relics in it" she replied worriedly. "Dang, I was too excited about the datacron. I forgot there was anything else in there. Are those things bad?" murmured the Outlander as Jadus continued monologuing. "Very" Lana whispered back with raised eyebrows of concern as she eyed the seed of dread on the holo. At that precise moment, a whole bunch of the Eternal Fleet ships boomed back in from hyperspace and immediately formed a defensive perimeter around Odessan, picking off the smaller ships in Jadus' fleet quite easily. "Ha Ha! My turn!" exclaimed the Outlander smugly. "Wait, What?" Jadus gasped as he looked around out the viewports of his capital ship bridge. "Um...Okay ships...do the Kame-a-me-a thing!" commanded the Outlander as he slumped back in his chair. Jadus sputtered incoherently over the comm and began shouting orders at servicemen on his own bridge before the powered up Eternal Fleet ship formation blasted a huge beam of energy that pulverized Jadus' capital ship and the ensuing explosion blew up the others around it, wiping them out. "Well, that was easy" sighed the Outlander, but grew more concerned as even more Eternal fleet ships showed up and all began docking and unloading tons and tons of people and gemini droids. "What are they..?" Lana asked with growing concern as a tumult of people and footsteps were heard coming up the corridor. "Oh...this can't be good" muttered Theron. Shortly thereafter, the throne room began filling up with women and Eternal Fleet droids all dressed in outlandish attire with baskets of candy and other exotic goods from faraway planets. "EVERYONE QUIET DOWN!!" Bellowed the Outlander, as he stood to yell and bring the clamor to a silence. Just as he did so, Empress Acina elbowed her way through the crowd and pointed her finger accusingly in the Outlander's face. "What is the meaning of this? I've heard of kidnappings before, but I've never heard of anyone being kidnapped and being forced to ride roller coasters or explore exotic worlds. I am Empress of the Sith Empire! All any of us got for a response from the droids was a recording of your commands!" she waved her hands in exasperation before turning to one of the Gemini droids. "What did you say your mission was earlier?" A fuzzy recording of the Outlander's words played back from the Gemini's vocabulator. "...go have adventures....go to other planets....find my true love again....or even a new one....and then go on more adventures." All the women in the room glared at the Outlander with seething rage. "I didn't actually uh...." the Outlander sputtered, retreating to his seat in the throne. "Um, message from Scorpio coming in" Theron quipped, turning back to his console. "Is Iokath safe to go back to now?" the Outlander snapped, hoping for some good news. "No, all it says is, 'I approve'...." Theron murmured, scratching his head in confusion. "Look, sorry you were all abducted. Uh...it was an accident. I'll just have them all take you back where they got you from" ordered the Outlander with a wave of his hands. Some of them nodded in agreement, some still sneered at him angrily, but to his surprise, some of the other women crushed forward, pressing to get through to the throne itself, beckoning and imploring him to keep them here. "W-what is going on?" the Outlander tried to get out over the clamor to a bemused Lana off to one side. "You occupy the Eternal Throne...and you're single. It kind of makes you the most eligible bachelor in the universe. It should be no surprise some of the women are throwing themselves at you" she smirked back, not lifting a finger to intervene. "Dang, I'd forgotten all about love and other such emotions. Valkorion must've made me forget--oh no, wait, we did talk about that...couple of times actually. Well, what about a political marriage?" the Outlander mused, resting peacefully now that he'd activated the force field around the Throne to keep the clamoring women out. "Not a chance!" scoffed Acina from off to one side with her arms crossed. "But...we had an alliance!" reasoned the Outlander. "Based on what?" Acina retorted. "Well...you were kinda hot and didn't try to kill me" the Outlander mused. "We never discussed ideals, merely the state of things and a common enemy" Acina snapped. "In my defense, you said 'things have changed', then proceeded to have me running from my life as we avoided more backstabbing and infighting....All the same things you Sith are normally up to" the Outlander waved his hand smugly. "You could have brought up beliefs and ideology any time" Acina retorted. "Well...just because I forgot about principles and stuff doesn't mean they don't matter. I'll make sure they matter in the Alliance in the future" the Outlander huffed. Lana and Theron squinted at each other nervously for a moment before looking back at the Outlander. "Let's not do anything hasty..." Lana murmured, trying not to be obvious. "WHAR'S DA FIGHTING?!" interrupted Vette, bursting out of the ceiling, rapelling down, and screaming with an Arnold Schwarzenegger accent as she dual wielded assault cannons on either arm. "Vette, what are you doing? I told you to stop with the steroid enhanced solo commando behavior!" the Outlander snapped. "You like ma guns?" she quipped, flexing her newly enhanced biceps. "I don't even....Look! There's no fight here, and even if there was, there's no reason for you to run off and try to solo an army!" the Outlander tried to reason. "Don't worry! I'll find da bad guys!" Vette barked back before blowing a hole in the floor and rappelling down through, hollering something else in a poor accent. "By the stars, was she always like that?" exclaimed a surprised Acina. "No, she used to be a cutesy, sneaky, relic hunter. Now, thanks to...Torian, she thinks she's a supercommando" grouched Theron, looking angrily at the Outlander. "Why are you blaming me for that? I've tried to dissuade her any chance I get!" remonstrated the Outlander with wide hand gestures. "If you hadn't been trying your secret force fart attack on Vaylin while she was...slllooowwwwlly snapping Torian's neck, he would still be here to talk her back out of it" snarled Lana. "How was I supposed to know it wouldn't work in an open space?" the Outlander replied begrudgingly. "Only a fool would try a force fart attack in a wide open space" sneered Acina victoriously. "Enough, all of you! Gemini droids, take all these people back to where you got them from, on the double!" declared the Outlander with authority from the throne. Quickly, they all filed out, either willingly or by force as the Gemini herded them back into the ships before departing. "One crisis averted" sighed the Outlander, relaxing back in his throne "I tell ya...it's going to be pretty annoying if we go back to Iokath in a couple of months only to have the Empire or Republic start making demands that we join them" the Outlander finished as he eyed all the Eternal Fleet ships leaving from Odessan and booming off into hyperspace. "Ha Ha Ha!" came the laughs from around the room. No one noticed that Theron and Lana's were not laughs of mirth, but nervous laughs over what they knew to be coming.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Meanwhile, in a secret grotto deep in the Bowels of Bioware Austin studios... A small cafe is filled with dim haze of smoke as three Rakghouls play cards at a table. Further back, two Rakata use their minds to move chess pieces on a playing board. Off to another side, several different HK units are playing a mobile game of some sort. Nearby, a hulking Trandoshan with the name "Kephess" in poorly scrawled letters on his blaster cannon sits across the table from Revan, who looks forlornly at his hand of cards. Kephess grunts some noises at Revan. "We have all the time in the world. Just let me think" Revan muttered, eyeing his cards again. Suddenly, all eyes turned to the door as the loud creaking noise of the hinges announced a new arrival to the Cafe. Immortal Emperor Valkorion strides angrily through the door, turning to glare back through as it is shut behind him and the small click of a key turning is heard. The Rakghouls and Rakata eye him for a moment before returning to their respective games, but Revan immediately bursts out in a triumphant laughter, drawing the angry Valkorion to come sit in a huff alongside. At length, Revan finally got his laughing under control. Kephess grunted some laughs for a moment, but ceased after he realized he wasn't sure what was funny. "So, someone finally took you down. I knew they'd do it" Revan sighed with satisfaction. "But it wasn't you that did it" spitefully snapped Vitiate. "No matter...welcome to the RCC, the Recycled Characters Cafe. It's where characters--" Revan began to announce before being interrupted by Vitiate. "I know what this place is. I've been here before...in spirit form. You just didn't see me" "And now you're here for real" Revan snipped back. "For the moment..." sneered Vitiate. "Heh" Revan chuckled a little uneasily "You've already come back waaaayyy too many times. Pretty sure you're done for good, this time." "As are you, based on the way you're attired" Vitiate grinned at the plain Jedi robes Revan was left wearing instead of his resplendent and unique armor set. "Yeah, well, they took my armor to sell on the Cartel Market. Who's to say they won't give me a new one when they bring me back again?" Revan postured, relaxing back in his chair. "I still have all of mine" proudly hinted Vitiate, seizing and smelling a nearby cup of coffee. "For the moment" Revan hinted back before Kephess butted in with several excited grunts as he reached down and extricated his loin cloth, holding it forth in his hand proudly. "What in the--" Vitiate hissed with disdain as he turned away in alarm at the crude display. Revan face palmed himself before waving his hand at Kephess. "No, for the last time, Kephess. They're not going to sell your loincloth on the Cartel Market!" Revan gasped in exasperation as he pushed Kephess' loincloth back at him "It's not sensual enough!" Both Revan and Vitiate waited through the grunts and commotion of Kephess for a bit before venturing to see if he'd put his loincloth back on. Thankfully he had, but that didnt' stop his stream of grunts for awhile. At the end, Vitiate looked to Revan for a translation. "All that knowledge, and you couldn't be bothered to learn Trandoshan" Revan quipped. "It wasn't knowledge worth my time" rejoined Vitiate. "He says that based on how recently you and I have both been brought back, that it must be his turn next" Revan explained after a brief silence. "Hmph" Vitiate shrugged derisively as he tasted the coffee " I expect my former slaves will be coming back next" he mused after a short silence. Vitiate smirked as his statement put a frown of puzzlement on Revan's face. In answer, Vitiate slowly removed a small holo device, which quickly and easily projected holoscreens of the various companions who had served as his slaves for the last two years and now sat sullenly alone in another basement room. "By the Stars..." murmured Revan as some of the female companions had their pictures scrolled by in slave girl outfits "Why have they left them sidelined for so long?" Kephess' grunting interrupted them as he gestured wildly at the holos. "Yes, they're wearing loincloths too, but their loincloths are sexy! We've been over this, Kephess!" Revan remonstrated, before huffing and leaning back in his own chair. "You always did have an eye for the females....didn't you?" Vitiate slyly quipped after a brief silence. "I had an eye for one" snapped Revan. "Only one...?" hinted Vitiate. "You...you're the one who told Bastila I had a 'thing' for the exile! Didn't you?!" "I...had nothing to do with it. Contrary to your belief, I am not the cause of all your ills" Vitiate smirked. "Yeah, well, she won't talk to me because of it" Revan muttered, eyeing over at the partition that separated the cafe from the other side where legend held there were female characters also waiting to be re-used. Valkorion chuckled with amusement at Revan's predicament. They would've continued their banter further, but the din of the cafe was interrupted by the key clicking in the lock to the door. Quickly, Eric son of Musco moved into the Cafe, closing the door behind him and making his way over to Valkorion, Revan, and Kephess' table. "I see my services are required again..." Valkorion announced smugly, staring with satisfaction at Revan's concerned frown. "Actually..um...we...uh...need your outfit...for the Cartel Market" Eric son of Musco declared quietly, eyeing around worriedly at the Rakghouls at the far table. Valkorion turned and tried to fix him with the fiercest glare he could, but Eric son of Musco was more worried about the Rakghouls and kept shooting glances over at them. "Me? the Immortal Emperor...give up my clothes?" Valkorion sneered indignantly as he caught Revan's bemused smirk out of the corner of his eye. The grunts of Kephess interrupted them all as he got up from his chair making wild gestures and grunting loudly at Eric son of Musco. "No...wait...stop! We talked about this! I'm not taking it for the Cartel Market!" cried out Eric son of Musco as he backed away from Kephess, who had reached down to take off his loincloth to offer to him. "IT'S NOT SENSOUS!" hollered Eric son of Musco as he fled Kephess' offering and finally retreated to the door before exiting and locking it again. Valkorion chuckled in slight amusement as Kephess put his loincloth back on and joined them at the table, grumbling in Trandoshan. "Don't worry, friend" Revan reassured him "As long as they don't want your loincloth for the Cartel Market, we know they have other things planned. The day they come in begging for your loincloth...we'll know the end is nigh" They all nodded in grim assent as the din of the Recycled Characters Cafe returned to normal.

Yes, indeed. Why actually expect them to come up with fun, creative, compelling new content and characters? Why actually expect them to release stories that make any sort of sense? Why expect to get anything from our monthly sub fees? We should just be happy with the base game.... "Stop relying on Bioware to give you something new"? Not sure if this is a sarcastic thread response or if seriously trying to see glass half full? If sarcastic, well done. If trying to see the positive, heh, you're setting the bar so low, there are no standards anymore. And why shouldn't we hold Bioware to account for butchering the lore/characters/relationship/universe that we love and invested in just so they could be lazier and more reluctant about developing content?

Same thing here. There's no way the server is full in the middle of the day on a Monday. Why is there a queue?

I'm sure I'm not the only one that seems to run into this frequently. You get a FP or Uprising queue pop, usually in Master Mode/Veteran Mode, and then as soon as the group accepts and sees it's one of the harder or longer ones, someone usually instaquits, usually a healer or tank, leaving the group hanging, waiting for a replacement that may never come or take a long time. There has to be a way to keep people from doing this. The Groupfinder lockout clearly isn't enough. Is there a way to add something significant for dropping at the start of an activity? CXP penalty? Longer lockout timer? LS/DS points penalty?

It's not hard to come up with a reason why they couldn't get in touch with you. What's impossible for the writers to justify is why they keep giving us NO options to try to find them. No normal person just ups and forgets their LI's, particularly when it's only been a short time in their own frame of reference since they were last together. By the end of Kotet, it's plain laughable that you've had both an audience with both Acina and Saresh, and control the Eternal throne but apparently aren't allowed to look for your LI or even ask about them. I even came up with a whole list of plausible scenarios for what some of the LIs were doing and the circumstances for possible reunion in my story review thread here: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=915575&highlight=kotet+review

Oh, thanks for the heads up. I never bothered with the lower tier vendors since I hate clicking so much. They should really just allow us to give them entire stacks, but I doubt that will happen.

This was only a story review. I posted a different one for the gameplay and features.

Kotet Review - Gameplay and Features The Good. 1. Different Difficulties for Story Chapters (something we've been sorely needing for awhile now) 2. Released all the chapters at once (more cohesive and likely less bugs than a periodic release) 3. No bugged final boss fight: To my knowledge, anyway, the end fight with Valkorion doesn't have a known bug that keeps people from being able to do it, unlike 3.0 (the Revan fight) and 4.0 (the Arcann fight for some). 4. Crafting is more relevant than ever due to gear scarcity. 5. Group activities are popping more frequently due to the CXP grind. 6. Variety in achieving objectives in the chapters: mouse droid, undercover work, walkers (more on this later). 7. An Operation in the works (finally...) The Neutral. 1. The Galactic Command system (the concept): Not a bad idea, I get they're trying to slow player gear progression down, which I agree with, but it's a bit overkill. I'd be a lot more on board if they got rid of the RNG in some way and made Command Rank level legacy based instead of character based. 2. Uprisings: not a bad concept, but nothing to write home about in repackaged environments to create convo-less flashpoints. Good for grinding, bad for a game where the strong point is supposed to be the story. 3. Class "Balance" and new abilities: There's always an OP class and an underperforming class after new xpacs. Usually, they're different than before. What goes around, comes around. It sucks when it's yours on the bottom of the totem pole, but it happens. It can use some work (particularly gunslingers/snipers from what I've seen/read), but you also have to be careful what you wish for when BW starts trying to "adjust" values. When I've played more of my toons, I will have a better idea about it, but until the game becomes alt-friendly again, I doubt I'll have time to. 4. Replayable Story chapters: if the story was better, I would care more. The Bad. 1. The Galactic Command system (the loot): Who thought it was a good idea to have RNG based loot chances? Everyone said this is a bad idea, but BW did it anyways. Now they're backpedaling and trying to configure things so people aren't so pissed off. I'll leave off with just that. Much more has already been said about it in many places. 2. May the Bugs be with you...Always: Some bugs are new, but some have been in the game and not addressed. -- The return of Naked Jorgan: if you go back and replay chapter 1 of Kotfe as trooper, because his kotfe outfit doesn't exist yet, he shows up naked in the cutscenes....Cathar fetish people rejoice, everyone else...ugh. -- Arcann fight in chapter 9: still bugs and you can't move during the final phase sometimes. -- The Greedy Floors: Alas, the floors are still consuming mob loot. They tried to make it not noticeable by taking away most mob loot in Kotet, but it still happens sometimes when it does drop, and it still happens all the time in KotFE. -- Walker LOS: Geez, they can't target anything within half a mile of a darn twig! If I'm on foot, I can see, shoot, leap, fight over a fallen tree, but apparently walkers are unable to do so. Just watch how many times the mobs reset on you in certain spots because of the blasted LOS problems. Due to this, I hate the walker levels now. -- LLLAAAAGGGGG: why is there so much of it in some of the story chapters when my ping is just fine. -- Groupfinder glitches: queue for one thing, and end up in something else entirely, notably queuing as a lowbie for a veteran flashpoint and instead ending up in a Master flashpoint or Uprising of some sort instead. There was something else similar that happened to me, but I can't remember at the moment. -- Fractured Uprising final boss fight: people are still trying to exploit the glitch on the first boss, instead it just makes him reset, sometimes over and over again. -- Nar Shaddaa is auto granting its completion bonus despite not doing the planetary missions in the Galactic Command screen. -- Experience point gain from story chapters isn't synced with the event. Instead, it's still only granting the same amount as before. So right now, a Planetary Heroic mission grants more XP than a story chapter does. 3. Walker levels: This isn't Battlefront. Having a small section devoted to it is okay, but don't make almost entire chapters about it, and fix the LOS (see above) issues. 4. Where has the Loot Gone? Why do mobs drop no loot at all in KotET? I know we robbed the Eternal Treasury ship in KotFE, but the Zakuulans can't be that poor... 5. Vaylin Fight: for a marquee antagonist/boss fight, it felt far too easy. She goes down like a sack of potatoes despite being billed as super powerful. 6. Far more difficult to grind comp influence: For veteran players, this isn't an issue since a lot of us grinded a bunch of it last year since that was about the only thing to do, but newer players will be disgruntled that vets have so many lvl 50 influence comps with all the gifts they had before whereas new players have to pay 250k per grade 7 gift from the vendor or hope for the best from alliance crates. 7. Comp influence gains don't always make sense: Vette loves you far more if you give her a deck of rigged playing cards than if you save her life from certain death? whaaaaat? Senya and Arcann only sort of like that you allowed them to live and encouraged them to walk the path of righteousness? What? Koth only sort of likes that you saved him, his ship, his crew etc. from Vaylin? 8. Story chapter difficulty doesn't always make it more challenging. I didn't want HP sponges. There are some bosses that have mechanics, but otherwise most stuff just hits harder and you're forced to go through more hp on them. It's an improvement, but is annoying in some places and favors certain classes over others. 9. The continuing shrinkage of content with xpacs is troubling. It's not going to quiet the "game is dead" crowd, and it will make people fret over how much time/money to invest if the studio isn't going to do a lot of it either.

I gave KotFE a chance and was aggravated by what was delivered. I left swtor after KotFE finished and was gone about six months. I came back recently wanting a Star Wars fix and having heard the announcement of a new Operation. So I played through the story a couple times. Warning, Long Post Story Review: The Good: 1. There's a noticeable improvement in the writing from KotFe to Kotet. While it still has some issues, some of them even the same, the writing is definitely better. 2. The chapters themselves are longer, giving a bit more time to wrap things up. 3. Finally get rid of Vitiate...for good, and don't bring him back again...ever. 4. Reduced the number of plot holes. There are still some there, but not near as glaring as the amounts being thrown at us with each chapter of Kotfe. 5. Iokath and Nathema planets were worthy additions to the Star Wars universe (even though Iokath felt like something picked up off the Mass Effect cutting room floor), though we haven't gotten to go back to them...yet. 6. Star Fortress and comp recruitment have at least a small/side note acknowledgment in the story (side quest on Voss). 7. Some of the choices in KotFE at least get verbal acknowledgments. The Bad: 1. Still repeating a lot of the same tropes we didn't want to see again: focusing too much on Valkorion's family drama at times and disregarding the player in the process, Romances treated poorly or not at all, lack of consequences for decisions, characters acting inexplicably out of character to fit whatever situation BW wants the player to be in, makes zero sense/immersion breaking for non-force using classes. --Finally got rid of skytrooper filled hallways--PSYCHE!.....The last chapter is all skytrooper filled hallways. --Finally find out where your beloved spouse is...nope, keep wondering...actually don't...don't ask about them either. --Lana and Theron have had their fill of despotic/incompetent tyrants but are apparently fine with players becoming one themselves. --Why exactly is a Mandalorian like Torian bellyaching that you would go rescue Vette first? -- Vette is a sneaky relic hunter, not Rambo Hobbit with heavy ordnance (assault cannons and rocket launchers), fix this. -- Why is uber powerful Outlander standing there stupidly watching their captured ally Vette/Torian slowly getting choked and their neck snapped instead of...I dunno...doing something. -- Yay, a random droid on Iokath can reprogram all the Gemini to do what Vaylin wants....convenient. -- Scorpio just wants to be free. After all, we've "no idea what our kind has done to her"...*** Maybe you should photo-shop her onto the bow of the Titanic with Leo Dicaprio as a marketing poster. I was laughing and expecting Will Smith's "I am Robot" character to suddenly warp in and say "Dude, she's a callous murderbot with metal breasts. Don't trust anything she says!" before leaving due to his allergy to BS. -- Why is Arcann suddenly redeemed after a healing ceremony and some alone time? and why is everyone so okay with him being part of the Alliance? -- Why is Vaylin suddenly interested in what Valkorion sees in the Outlander in Chapter 8 of Kotet? Wasn't Arcann the one that wanted validation? 2. Introducing something as important/meaningful only to throw it out/forget/discard it later: -- The Gravestone's weird, creepy dark side of the force room that "drew" people to it in Kotfe. -- Literally everything Satele Shan and Darth Marr have said and done. -- Valkorion's super secret vault of dangerous relics and loot (who would walk away from that without at least sending someone back for it or having Lana seal it to come back to later?) -- The Resistance forces we were building up in the Swamps of Zakuul -- Arcann's end game plan for all the resources he was taking as tribute from the Empire and Republic worlds in KotFE. -- Those delegations of people we saved from the Empire, Zakuul, and the Republic from the Gemini ship in chapter 15 of KotFE. -- Everything the Scions said and did (the later letter makes no sense in context with what they said before) -- Choosing/not choosing to use Valkorion's power during tense moments. 3. Walker levels: instead of acting like a "Commander" and designating your forces to take objectives/fight a battle while leading a vanguard, we are told to get in a walker to go rescue said forces from enemies by blowing everything up we see. Missed opportunity to have comp recruitment, Star Fortress activity, and alliances mean something more. 4. Facial close ups in the Cut Scenes: Look, I get it. You're trying to draw us into the emotions of the moment, but this is an MMO and not the best looking one at that. Graphical awesomeness isn't why people play this game. Don't repeatedly point that out by focusing closely on it. All it does is break immersion when we have to see the graphical space behind eyeballs or that stupid frownie face that looks like an upside down smile that no one in real life uses. 5. Valkorion Ex Machina: due to the issues of KotFE it felt like the writers spent the whole of Kotet trying to get themselves out of the hole they dug themselves into with Valkorion. Considering the way things were at the end of KotFE, it was a decent job, but not without some vague plot McGuffins along the way. --A Datacron in a secret vault solved everything all along...who knew it would be so simple. --Why exactly does "switching places" in your own mind work in the last chapter? He "hollowed out and took over" said mind. --Why would the "Kneel" command work on Valkorion? I get that he absorbed Vaylin's spirit, but she had set herself free of the conditioning before she died... --I haven't played through it yet on my Sith Assassin, but I doubt any more mention of Inquisitor relevant things get mentioned than they did in KotFE. It seems the writers of these story arcs either never read/played the Inquisitor storyline or borrowed too heavily from it: Force Ghosts, Hollowing out a younger body to take over, possessing someone else, and absorbing another's spirit/power are all tropes strongly present in that storyline as well. 6. Deafening Absences: I'm not talking Spouses/Romances here, though that is also a major issue. Why do the two characters most connected to Vitiate in all the previous game content (Kira Carsen and Lord Scourge) play absolutely NO role in his ultimate demise/downfall. --Both would be able to sense Vitiate easier than others and Scourge would've been able to predict his actions to some extent. --Would Kira have been able to get through to Vaylin? We'll never know. --What if Lord Scourge sacrificed himself at a key moment to stop Vitiate and save the player, ultimately discovering his feelings again (romance option), we'll never know. --What a cool conversation the old Emperor's Wrath could have with the more recent one about Vitiate being in his mind, we'll never know. --What an emotional scene it would be for the Jedi Knight to confess to Kira that Vitiate is in his mind and he doesn't know how to stop him, we'll never know. --Leaving both characters completely absent is a mistake the writers should've learned from in KotFE. 7. Romance Companions still gone: I've mentioned this before, but it bears special treatment here. I get that the xpac was smaller this year and that one of the major complaints (and rightly so) from last year was that the chapters 10-14 of KotFE felt very tacked on and poorly handled. This doesn't excuse the complete absence or even MENTION of them. --Make a deal with Empress Acina of the Sith Empire, ask her about your spouse?...nah. --Have Saresh at your mercy, find out from her where your beloved is or get in touch with someone who can?....nah. --Finish Kotet as more or less the Emperor of the Galaxy, get in touch with your beloved or have them find you? nah. *Come on, Bioware. This is just plain ridiculous, and don't give me that "We had no idea how to work them into the story" crap. There's a few you could have easily fit in. If you're worried about "metrics", try this out, check how many swtor players have done romances. That'll let you know how popular they are. I'll give you a hint, if it isn't a 100% of them it's pretty darn close to it. Geez, you could have a whole xpac just built around romances and it'd probably be more well received than the stuff in KotFE and Kotet put together. If you're really that starved for ideas, here are just a few I thought of while just sitting here typing: 1. Risha Drayen: embroiled in civil war and politics on Dubrillion, but needs rescuing from the Smuggler or married that goon from the earlier storyline only to be thrown into cryo-sleep so he could assume power. 2. Akaavi Spar: shows up at Odessan and apologizes for oversleeping when all the other Mandalorians left and joined the Alliance....just kidding. She is found living/exploring Nathema/Iokath/some other remote planet as self-enforced exile/punishment for failing to keep the Smuggler alive/safe. 3. Jaessa Willsaam: based on character convos to start chapter or previous choices, LS or DS is determined. Was trapped on a derelict Dreadnaught that housed one of Vitiate's super secret vaults and requires assistance, or falls afoul of Sith feuding during the war against Arcann, and is chained deep down in the secret enclave of an ex-Dark Council member in hiding (Jadus?) who is exploiting her unique capabilities while she remains a slave. 4. Raina Temple: fleeing the feuding factions of fallen Sith after the truce, she winds up on Asylum, trying to locate the Resistance and is caught up in local power struggles by the gangs there. 5. Ashara Zavros: leaving known space, she finds the hiding Scions and uncovers subplots withing the surviving Scions/Knights and still fanatically loyal Exarchs/others still opposed to the Outlander and still others determined to take Zakuul back to the "Old Ways" after seeing the Valkorion family's "failures". 6. Kira Carsen: could use the same scenario as Jaessa's, or found fighting a resistance against a Star Fortress on an as yet undiscovered wild space planet, or knowing she's pregnant from the Jedi Knight before he went in carbonite, she flees to a quiet backwater planet to have the child in secret and raise them until they're old enough she isn't worried about toting them around the galaxy to raise support to rescue her hubby, or have her accompany Satele Shan on her mission that failed and end up trapped in carbonite as one of Arcann's "trophies" which is stolen in the chaos following the changing of power at the end of Kotet and the Outlander must find what happened to her, along with all the other stuff. 7. Nadia Grell: overzealously pursuing leads on the Outlander, she falls to the dark side tormenting a Knight of Zakuul who refused to tell her anything. Ashamed of herself and not any closer to getting answers, she retreats to her home world to help them rebuild after the devastation of Zakuul's initial conquest until part of the extended royal family is kidnapped by someone and she pursues them, in the process running into the Outlander, or she finds a hint of information from the Noeticons that sends her into wild space, trying to find one of Revan's "safe houses" and ends up trapped in an old maze in the ruins beneath surface of Nathema/Unknown Wild space planet. 8. Mako: After giving up the Outlander for dead and abandoning the life of Bounty Hunting, she is pulled back in after she is co-opted against her will by a conglomerate of gangsters and smugglers running a Resistance against the Eternal Empire out of Port Nowhere, but once the Outlander claims the throne, the Conglomerate's interests are shown to be far more selfish and sinister, drawing the Outlander's attention/rescue or Outlander is contacted by the Genoharadan (again), this time to negotiate a deal, they will kill Mako if he does not attend a certain high class gala/meeting with big wigs from across the Galaxy. This is staged as a truce ground to negotiate a deal, but it is in reality a ploy/trap by the Genoharadan to seize power for themselves and take the eternal throne. 9. Shara Jenn (Watcher Two): A far more worthwhile pursuit than either of the two psychos on the agent's ship, we got a little bit in the SOR side mission. Bring her back! #bringbackwatchertworomance #don'tleaveuswiththetwopsychos; Her treatment in the remote facility is interrupted by bombardment by the Eternal Fleet and she flees the ruined building with a damaged memory. Someone from Zakuul finds her hiding in the slums and realizes the implants she has are extremely valuable, and takes her back to Zakuul against her will to run the numbers and operations for a growing criminal underground gambling circuit, drawing the attention of the Outlander. *These could be full on xpac story missions, Flashpoints, or even Operations. I could go on, but I think I made my point. 8. Leaves Player Characters in a position they have no desire to be in either in a story or in a game: Where are players supposed to go from here? Being made emperor sounds cool for "power level" crowd, but what are you supposed to follow that up with? No Jedi played as a Jedi would take position as an emperor, neither would any smuggler, bounty hunter, or agent. I could see Sith doing so and maybe a Republic Trooper, but that's it. -- How are you going to manufacture drama convincingly when the player character is now seen as the most powerful being with the most powerful technology, fleet, and army at his disposal? ANOTHER third faction? ANOTHER betrayal? -- This was one of the reasons I hated KotFE. You can't play the power levels card without it escalating into realms of ludicrousness before long. -- Other than Sith, player characters aren't interested in how powerful they are perceived by others. They just want to have the companions they care about jump aboard their ship and fly off to some new adventure on a faraway planet in a Galaxy far far away, not become all powerful emperor, ruler of the galaxy. Why did anyone think this was a good idea? 9. Why no celebrating? It's implied there's a huge celebration, but there's not even a cutscene of it. Why isn't there at least a "relax with your friends in the cantina" scene, or "catch up with your romance in your ship/room" to end things on a good note? TL;DR: Despite improving the writing and some of the peripheries from KotFE, Kotet commits too many of the same sins to be considered a good story. Hopefully, with Vitiate gone, they can get back to more plausible/compelling storytelling, though the fact that the player is now on the throne and commands the most important everything in the galaxy doesn't bode well.

Why is this still a thing? Came back after being gone for awhile to play Kotet and my other main character can't get past this fight because once Arcann jumps back up to the top of the stairs at the end, he glitches out and disappears before reappearing in the middle of the room again. I can move, but no matter where I go, it just keeps telling me he's "out of range". This has happened 3x in a row. Fix this please.

They already have them. They're called Guilds.

They "do nothing else for months"? Curious who has time to make more than 10 posts a day. I feel like I'm wasting my life if I read more than ten. Also, "hate speech against BW staff"? You're either grossly exaggerating or you don't understand the meaning of "hate speech". 1. They're trolls, in which case ignore and move on 2. They're fans of Star Wars as a franchise or even Bioware games who feel betrayed (and rightly so IMO) by Bioware for the misrepresentation of their product, deliberate misleading of the community, and delivery of an xpac rife with problems for it's main crux (the story). 3. Long time players who are having a hard time cutting loose from a game they invested so much in. 4. Because maybe "they" aren't the gollum-like sadists you portray them as, and you're being too sensitive about anyone criticizing the game or decisions made by devs. 5. They're WoW fanboys. 6. They're ninjas from a clan you have dishonored and will now follow you and make 10+ posts to anger you wherever you post.

Don't worry. It'll all make sense next year...

While I would say that a certain amount of ignoring people should be standard when you're doing anything online, that doesn't excuse the actions of other players. Words are important, more so to kids. Otherwise bullying wouldn't be an issue in schools. As adults, it's easier to deal with since we already have developed our own sense of who we are and place value in that. Kids haven't. More to the OP's point, Bioware does actually do something about bad player behavior. Example: I was doing something on fleet and some guy started trying to recruit for his Spanish speaking Guild in gen chat. Immediately, a bunch of players jumped on him, calling him names, racial slurs, Mexican jokes, general mockery etc. He didn't take well to this, obviously. So he tried to lash back at them, which only made things worse. Trying to tell him to "just ignore them" didn't work and I doubt any latinos were inspired to either join his guild or think highly of the swtor community after seeing that. There were three players who were the ringleaders and I put in a ticket describing what happened and some of the specific things said. Since then, I've never seen those players again. I'm sure someone could think of some reason they might not be playing the game other than action on their account, but it seems awfully coincidental not to be a ban of some sort.

The Good: 1. Choose Dialogue options as HK 2. "Brought back" the Shroud 3. Some different abilities to use as HK 4. Enemies that aren't Zakuulans 5. Different environments to navigate (the Coil, Underwater, the Asteroid base) 6. Humor, was good to laugh at the stuff in the game for once and not at the shoddy writing or dialogue. 7. Overall, the design shows more creativity than most of the KotFE chapters. The Neutral: 1. Mobs and bosses were meh 2. Another new companion to add to the mob sitting around Odessan 3. New characters were only mildly interesting, could have been better. 4. Heard it was extremely glitchy until BW tweaked some things, but I didn't play through it until late in the day. So I can't speak to that. The Bad: 1. ZO-OM is a droid copy of Dory from Finding Nemo. Makes everything predictable and not near as funny. Good thing Disney owns Star Wars I guess... 2. Apparently, the Alliance is still useless since they let some obviously bad guy the Outlander dealt with before (if u did the missions) walk right in and start plunking bombs everywhere. At least give him a holo-disguise, a wig, something... No way he should just be able to waltz in right past Theron, Lana, and everyone else. 3. Couldn't re-arrange the temp quickbar abilities and couldn't reassign the buttons for them without messing up the normal quickbar assignments. 4. The fact that someone(s) spent time and resources to deliver us a codex on mops. 5. Hard to believe they'd bring the Shroud back into the story only for it to end the way it did. Shadowy mastermind gets thing that eventually tires of him and kills him, taking his place? Where have we seen that before.... Not the best use of a main villain. 6. Could have really clarified a lot of things left from KotFE with bits of information from the Shroud's base. Instead, all we got were his rantings, and finishing the bonus missions didn't grant any reward at all.

So, again, someone complains about the plot, or at least what's supposed to pass for one, and what response do I repeatedly see? "Just wait until the end of ch 16"...."Just wait until next season" Well, waiting til ch 16 didn't help, since the ending was god awful. Why exactly do we need to wait two years to get some answers on the swiss cheese that is the current plot?

The alliance reps tell you exactly how far the crates take you. At influence ten, they say one thing (don't remember what). At influence twenty, they tell you that the basics are all covered and that they're even starting to get some of the rare stuff. At the end of Chapter 13, you are told clearly that there is way too much money for even the alliance to do and you're given a choice of what to do with the leftovers: invest it for your own gain, give it to the poor, or stockpile it in the alliance. As the OP points out, none of these things translate into anything that helps your fight against Arcann in the story.

It's pretty obvious they left most of the LI's out and never even gave a reason for most of them. Heck, our characters don't even get to ASK about a lot of them.

If I had any confidence left in Bioware or heck, even information from them, maybe, but with only KotFE to go on, no. In fact, KotFE so thoroughly destroyed my interest in all things swtor, they would have to do something earth shattering for me to care again. Spent countless hours playing and enjoying my characters. After KotFE, they all just seem irrelevant and going through it again, is so annoying that even spacebarring everything can't save me from the pain of repeated "surprise" ambushes by skytroopers EVERY SINGLE CHAPTER, or save my Lightside toon who never took Valkorion's power from having the script broken and suddenly Valkorion assumes power in a certain place or says the dialogue for it in another. Complete nonsense. It's bizarre to watch the "spectacle" of a team of writers and devs just piece meal destroy the plot, characters, and relevance of so many things they themselves created and the players cultivated only to have the devs pat themselves on the back and players rush to post how "amazing" it was while the forum mods bury any critical threads in subforums. Sorry folks, the Emperor has no clothes on, pun intended.