Was bored! Was actually just a self experiment, and figured I'd share. If it helped atleast one person, I'm glad.

Haha, hello. What's your IGN?

I'll try... - How they work? Depending on the build you use, you're either.. (Immortal) The meat shield, no damage output.. but some ccing and damage mitigation. Honestly, in my opinion. It's the absolute **** tree when it comes to group orientated PvP. May get some strong reactions on it. But you don't contribute to the damage and protecting your team can also be done in a damage spec without you dying if you have a healer. So I really do not see the point of this in PvP. It's okay to carry balls in huttball and keeping control points occupied, you'll survive a few seconds longer. But you just tickle most of your enemies. For huttball a vengeance/immortal hybrid is better anyway. (Vengeance) Annoying person who does some decent damage but not enough to burst, can stack bleeds but they don't do much damage. This is supposed to be our single target dps build, but the damage doesn't come anywhere near Rage's damage, but it's generally really fun to play. Especially because of "Unstoppable". Not saying it's a bad spec, but it doesn't get you really all that far. And it's a nice alternative when you get bored of the other two. (Rage) Person who annihilates and pisses everyone off with their overpowered AOE ability (20~40k on a 5 target hit every 9 seconds.). Costs the healers a lot of work to heal your damage back up and is actually a great support to take the opposing team down. Two rage juggs with two pocket healers can change a entire game around if they're geared and know what they're doing. Hell, even one can. Note, you'll get called names and noob and brainless for playing this because it's stronger and better than the other two trees. Just ignore it, we can't help it. - Are they good? Require more gear than most other classes. And also depends on your build as explained in point one. But generally, we're okay yeah. - Can they sustain damage? You'd think we could because we're heavy armored. But sadly, you can only sustain damage in immortal spec. Rage is a glass cannon, vengeance can sustain some more but not enough to say. "Yeah, I'm a tank bishes!" With a good healer, you can tank enough though even in rage spec. Note, with saber ward and endure pain you can sustain some damage for 10 seconds longer, but we only have one two minute CC break ability. So if you're getting zerged you'll just be disabled for 10 seconds longer without being able to hit much. - Is their damage out-put good? Immortal; Lol, no comment. Vengeance; Decent, holds up pretty alright from a 1v1 perspective. But not enough for GG healers. And 1v4. Rage; Yes, if you're a good player with good gear you're the highest dps in warzones. And do the highest crits out of any other class ingame right now if I'm correct. Damage log example for you vs a random 50 sorcerer; 2k, 1k1k1k, 6k, 1k1k1k, 3k, 6k, 4k. (Maybe laughable example, but it may give you a understanding. We build up our damage and use our "Smash" skill, which does the high end crits every 9 seconds. ) - What Form should I be using? Immortal; Soresu-form Vengeance; Shien-form Rage; Shii-Cho. Note; a good player swaps it regulary depending on the situation. Even in rage spec you often just might want to guard your ally to contribute to the fight while still dishing out damage. This is all from a PvP perspective, in PvE there's other builds. Please don't give up on your warrior, I've had juggs whispering me telling them how they hate it. They were usually immortal spec, but then try out rage spec and fall in love. (Warriors start to shine from 40 and up.) Hopefully some inspiration to boost your motivation; Rage PvP Video by me: Rage PvP Video by morsexier: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=204947 Vengeance PvP Video by Maximo: Hope I did understand your questions right. If you need help on any builds or have any further questions just ask, sorry for the wall'o'text. Good luck to you sir!

Hey baal, thanks! Let's have a duel some time, you're one of the few good jugs I've seen on ragnos.

Your video lacks ponies my good sir!

Glad to hear it inspired you! Also, nice to hear I'm not the onlyone that has the tendancy to kite in this spec. Also, I replied to your pm.

Unless your ping is through the roof hitting someone with smash isn't all that hard..

Shameless bump for you sir. As your inspiring video got flooded to page two by QQ threads.

It's not just the feet. (IMO) ALL the armor in this game looks hideous, from light to heavy. If anything; just the Champ/BM set look decent on male characters, but every player looks the same because they're all wearing the same.

I've had moments where vicious throw would do more damage than smash on the same level 50 target. With the new patch I only fight level 50s. Force scream usually does 30% less than smash.

If you're a level 63 battlemaster I think you can perform better, especially if you play with your guildies. I do think us warriors are more group dependant. But Rage warriors can dish up to 650k~ dps if we ignore objectives and aren't getting facerolled by the opposite team. 300~400+ If we do objectives. I'll agree on the survivability, we can't just walk around without any heals. But if we could that would be retarded given the fact we can often 3 shot the ball carrier ourselves. What we do have that makes up for it is GREAT mobility, seriously. You can leap up to 100 meters in a matter of seconds if your targets are positioned right. I won't disagree with you that we don't have a lot of options. "RAGE OR DIE!". But I do think you're exaggerating a bit. I believe juggernauts are one of the strongest classes out there. (If we could only heal like commando's... ...)

Making a 'hybrid' video with Rage AND Vengeance now. May add in some immortal.. but doubtful. Thanks for the 40 likes and over 2200 views. To me that's a lot!

Quit slacking! Haha, nah but as Rage warrior surge is big must anyhow. I don't see how you can gimp yourself.

9 seconds. Force scream, force crush and vicious throw can do similar damage.

No prob! Thanks for the video. Felt like quitting tomorrow, no motivation in my rage spec and every warzone being the same. Not to forget that Ilum is dead. But trying this out may just bring me a new challenge. And you also have interrupt on "R", great choice, haha! Hope your thread stays allive so players can see that vengeance is still an option next to rage. http://i.imgur.com/Njnll.jpg There we go, haha. Also, I have a question. How do you perform after 1.1? The new UI change with the cooldown indicators completely wrecked my playstyle, here I am spamming force choke 20 times wondering why it isn't working. But it just turns out to be still on cooldown.