Nah you are wrong. If you want to run a dungeon by overgearing it, rushing it or whatever then YOU MUST do your own group. If you queue at the LFG you can not demand this. I always hated it at wow when you got into a dungeon and 2 players in raid gear demand a rush and ofc. the new lvl 85 healer cant keep them up while they stand in fire. Who got the blame? Ofc the healer, even tho he did nothing wrong but the high geared guys did. If you want checks of whatever kind then BW must do them and the tool must be released without a kickvote. If the kickvote does get implemented then you cant have additional requirements. If a player can queue for something but then still gets kicked all the time by elitist´s who want more than whats needed, he just stops queueing and quits. Wow has that issue right now, hardly any new players stay as its no fun to be shown something that you can play but then when you get in you are kicked. No matter what requirements BW would set, the elitist´s of the thread here will increase those and add new ones so that new players will have a hard time at this game.

Your mistake is, that you have no right to say who is ready and who not. You were unable to finish dungeons, fine. But to think everyone is so "bad" is wrong. There are people who can play very well and better than you, just with worse gear. There is a good example of wow, we did clear all 5men hc´s and the first raid Tier 1 month after cata release and this without full epics or whatever gear is accesible today. We even used pvp gear, for instance I was tanking with a few pieces. Still if you want to do those dungeons today, people request full pve epics because they are badly skilled and must cover this by overgearing content. I dont see why I should overgear my chars, why my alts should have higher gear than what drops just because people like you demand it to cover their bad performance. At wow its usually those in full epics who wipe a group and not those in greens btw. I have more raiding and dungeon experience in MMO´s than you might ever achieve and I can tell you that gear is not the reason why wipes happen, its bad gameplay and the lack of skill. If you use the LFG you must accept that players are not like you and are able to play just fine with worse gear than yours or are the first time in that dungeon. If you want to play with people who have high end gear, high dps or whatever make a premade - the LFG is the wrong place for you. Things like LFG´s are in place to open a gate to those that were unable to group before. I know that opening gates would lead to building walls by the community itself. First you guys demand a specific Ilvl, later achivements and then DPS test´s at the first trash.... All that kills MMO`s, I dont understand why some people must exclude others all the time. You peeps complain that others want to be carried but in the end its you that are carried. Carried by gear that is not necessary, by dps numbers or experience that is not necessary. We are talking about a random group and not about a tournament where every bit matters.

That elitism which the OP and others provide in that threat is the reason why LFG tools fail. You expect everyone to be at your lvl, nobody is allowed to have less gear than you. Nobody is allowed to be new, nobody is allowed to just do good enough - no it must be a hardcore performance. All that gearscore crap of wow destroyed a lot over there, people who dont wear BOA´s are kicked and insulted by elitist´s, just like you get kicked in the LFG if you dont have raid gear. Reading this thread BW hopefully realises that by implementing the LFG they killed their great game.

Server merges do lead to people losing their chars. I lost my chars at AoC and War once when they did it there, its not fun I RP with them, losing names, legacy etc. makes them pointless to me. 8 men queue, well if they would also add solo queue then I would be happy. What I hate is the wow pvp that they want to introduce in 1.3. Only full premades can earn rewards and rankings - for me thats not acceptable. I just dont have the time to lead a premade and joining one cant work either as I cant follow a shedule anymore. But since pvp is very important for me, especially in a ladder - I need something where I can compete in a competetive environment. I want to see my rank grow, see me earn rewards etc. League of Legends is doing ok there, it took a while to get out of low ranks, but since I play under the top 100 I get good games and something similar I did hope to see at Tor.

Well, you leave because LFG, 8men queue and server merges are not there yet and I and many others will leave because those things will come. Quite intresting I think you should just relax and play, now that BW does give you what you want.

I disagree, BW does everything you people whine for at the forums, no other company does this. They do carry your butt´s now also to LFG´s, they add your dps meters, they even add 8men only queues for pvp. They will merge servers soon, not caring that some are actually happy on theirs ... You get everything but you are never happy and this is killing the game. BW does what you want, but at the same time will lose players like me who were happy with the game once.

You learn nothing by steamrolling pugs

Its more a AI issue. My companion can tank everything, but does never move out of fire, activate the cooldowns when big hits come etc. Ok we can now argue that a lot of real tanks also dont do these things right but Ill leave that Still are the dungeons a bit harder than the 4men hc quest´s.

I dont think that you need a big server for fun. Lets face it, you will never have 2k or 100k players around you. You just wont, the only players around you are about a few hundred and of those you are only in deep contact with about 50. I knew a lot people at vanilla, my F list was maxed out but in the end it were maybe 100 people. Still the community feeling was massive and the best I had in the past 8 years of MMO´s. When wow introduced xrealm pvp and pve, a lot of fun was gone. You played with complete strangers, this kills every community feeling and you feel alone - even tho there are so many people. You only need a handfull players to feel home, thats why I dont understand all the whine here. In the end those that whine dont care about the social aspects or fun, but about other things like "free griefing, beeing annonym".

If someone drops out then the game is not rated. It works well at other games!

For me - solo rated pvp - no automation LFG - ban every DPS meter

The mistakes with introducing LFG, DPS Meters and no solo ranked will make me quit at the end of the month. I do belong to those that did like the game how it was, now that its changing to a wow 2 is a major let down and I wont play such a game.

Everything you said is wrong and full of prejudice. Could it be that you are one of those who are carried by their premade all the time? I always have to laugh if people expect "incs" and cant do anything unless their leader tells them to, to have map control and awareness is something good players have - there is no need for pointless chat spam with inc´s.

Haha, but exactly this you do when you only allow 8men queues.... We solo queue´s are forced to not use the ranked queue, we are left out and cant play the game. Unranked queue is screwed as you have too many premades there and also not the gear that those will have from ranked. Result = no pvp for those without 7 friends.

I dont get you people sometimes. Are you never happy? Since day 1 you cry for LFG, Addons, 8men only pvp etc. Now that BW screwed all those players that bought the game because these wow typical features were not in, you still complain? I just dont get it, maybe BW does realise now that changing the game to your desire was wrong. They should had stick with their first design choice, its obvious that people like you are never happy.

I know Casuals who have achieved more in pvp than many hardcores ever will. Casuals can be very good players, its just that they have a life outside of the MMO´s and they cant follow a shedule like those "hardcores". To have a life does not mean you suck in games, something those without a RL should finally understand.

If I leave an MMO then because of bad design choices and not because of a few bugs or other tiny things. I even kept my subs active during summer or winter, when I cant play for a few weeks - sometimes months. I have not yet met the company that has withdrawn those bad choices, so no for me there is no coming back. When Blizz killed my fun at wow I left and I know very well that their game wont change back to its former glory. At Tor is see the same thing happening now, exactly the same bad design choices like "no solo rated", "dps meters support" and the same LFG tool like wow has. They wont take these things back, they made their choice and so I made mine Most people tho do come back. I know so many that left wow, but came back at every expansion. I only leave if the game really goes a way that I cant follow, I did stick around at War and AoC even tho the client was rubbish in the first year - but I left when I lost my chars and names when they closed servers and forced us to move. But people like me who really stick with a game have become very rare, most people jump from MMO to MMO - see how many wow fanboys we have here, who actually started the whole "addon, LFG" stuff at the forums. When the Panda´s come they leave Tor, but I guess BW prefer´s those customers.

You are just totally wrong. First of all did I never have a rude ninja, troll or dps meter nerd in any of my groups at Vanilla and TBC. If you did form a group you knew everyone that did apply. In that way you knew who you invite, so that those rude people never got in any groups. This did lead to the result, that they had to behave - after all they also wanted to play the game. Also keep in mind, that the content must be adjusted to random groups now. This will lead to boring grind & zerg, like at every wow dungeon today. Tanks run in, mages nuke with AOE and 1 second later all mobs are dead. Not fun at all, so also this does affect those who dislike the tool and want to have fun without it. The whole game will be adjusted so that it can be beaten in a pug, all those who form their own groups or play with friends have no content anymore. Second fact is, that everyone is forced to use the tool. It will give bonus rewards, it will make you queue as often as you want, no more insance locks. At wow you MUST use it to be able to gather points, it wont be any different at Tor. Lets face it, the tool does only work if people get high profit by queueing for it, else no one would take that torture.

The statement is very sad and will make me quit until they let solo queue meet solo queue, like at LOL for instance. To promiss people something for over 7 months, to keep saying "yes solo queue will come" and then just kick out the solo queue at 1.3 is not just unfair but also a big slap in the face of us. I didnt care about bugs, lags, not perfect performance, missing high rez, horrible foliage etc. I could take that, but to not give us the promissed feature is just too much. PvP at wow is dead since TBC because of that crappy premade forcing for pvp and at Tor pvp will just aswell die now. You had a great game BW, great features promised but for a pvp oriented player - a missing solo queue is a no go.

Since when does steamrolling pugs indicate skill? Fact is, a solo queue is in most cases more skilled if he / she can win a game than all those premades out there. I would easily beat you all the time, I know that - you know that. What would you do without your high geared "friends" in pvp?

You are silly! Did you never play wow? Its pointless to do unrated pvp there, as premades dominate you in their high rank pvp gear. PvP at wow is dead for Casuals and players who dont have access to a group to do rated pvp. I was always defending BW, also the delay was ok for me - but now its over. How can a company take the money of us for 7 months and then just delete solo queue? They said from day 1 that they add solo queue and now its gone? What are we supposed to do now at Tor? Beeing farmed by players who have access to high end gear? No sorry, but once again an MMO ruined by a company who does only look out for a few elitist´s and not for those who are unable to play after a shedule. Solo queue does work very well at LOL,bad players have a low rank and good ones a high. Its a very bad excuse of BW and I am sad that Stephen lied about that when he did reply if solo queue is still coming.

Well, at wow I did always only need on items for my MS and only if my use was bigger than of the other group members. It worked like that until WOTLK and you never had a ninja in your group as everyone did it like that. Atleast the MS>OS stuff. When Blizz added the LFG tool and free spec change, doing this made you look stupid and you could never improve your char as everyone and his dog did now roll need on every item that they could use, OS, MS, shards or just vendoring it. So I am guessing that at Tor the same thing will happen, so that rolling need on everything is needed if you want to stand a chance. Dont forget we allready have meters in the game, you will get kicked a lot if you cant keep up with those elitist´s and their high dps and good gear - if you dont do what they do, grab every item that you can find. BW destroys their great game with the LFG and Addon support, if you want to survive it you must become as low as those that you hate playing with. D3 has a great loot system, the only good thing Blizz came up with lately. This BW should copy

A server merge does not help those that cant find groups. The reason why they cant form a group is their own fault, as they dont want to look for others and refuse participating in the community. The LFG demand is strong in those people and even if they would have 6000 people on their server, they would still not go into any fp. My server is just standard and you find a group whenever you want and the open world is full of players. In our LFG channel are going groups every 5-10 minutes to every dungeon that is in the game. Merges will just piss off people that lose their name, legacy etc. and make them quit. You should not underestimate this, the name is for many very important especially if they played with that char for 6 months. To give this up is like starting to play from scratch again. In the end BW would not have any benefit of it, those that leave due a lost name will be as big in numbers or even bigger as those that come back.

Same thing happend to me but at War and AoC. I did love both games, even tho they were horrible in performance and full of bugs. But when they gave my chars new names like "xjgrogh" then I cancelled my acc as well. The name is for me very important, I dont name my chars after a movie star or food like so many others do. Because of that losing the name is not acceptable, especially since I am not guilty that some players didnt join a healthy server at the start. At Eu we had like 10 heavy servers and the others were medium or light at release. People should had gone to the heavy ones and not the light.

Thats the issue with you new MMO folks, you dont see the game as what we older people do. For us our char, guild, legacy ... names are unique and matter. To lose those names would mean that the char is gone - I also dont have the time to lvl up a new one. It all seems simple for you, but you should realise that there are people who are into MMO´s for a much longer time and for them all those little things like names, server community etc. matter a lot. While that might not matter for those who call their chars after food or movie stars and have no connection to their character - for my kind losing those is not acceptable.