I did, in WoW... I played it for 5+ years and I got bored of it. I got to level 50 in TOR and what did I see - daily quests and FP farming... I like how people enjoying SWTOR point out that WoW is a bad game - meanwhile, TOR is nothing but WoW with lightsabers. Yeah, voice-acting is kinda fun once, then it gets the same leveling course over and over again. It's worse than WoW actually, since in WoW you can level in 4 different areas at any given level... Well, I didn't expect another WoW-clone. That was my only expectation (ok, I'm lying here, I DID expect a WoW-clone, but I hoped I was wrong). Many of us are bored of WoW and looking for something different - SWTOR is clearly not for us I guess. Btw, about the topic's title, I hope you are aware that this game has a monthly subscription, so just because someone cancels sub, he has some days left over to play or post. Just sayin'.

I agree the representation is great, don't get me wrong. I was enjoying leveling my shadow, although consular story is kinda lame, but meh. But not everyone is an altoholic, and even if you reroll alts, story quests are a minority and the other quests are the same. I hated grinding quests in WoW as well, and here comes a NEW game AFTER 5 YEARS of WoW quest grinding that tells me to reroll alts, and DO THE SAME QUESTS AGAIN to see another character's story (while in WoW nowadays I can quest in 4 different areas at any given level)... errm... This is a matter of taste. WoW has it's own wide-spread lore and story which many like. (Lately it has voice-acted in game movies for some quests as well.) Don't get me wrong on this either, I like the lore in SWTOR and the story which continues/goes trough the FPs as well. But the same thing is present in WoW too, although not everything voice acted.

My (our) point is exactly this. Why should I bother playing SWTOR if I got bored of WoW? And why should I pay for it? To be able to reroll alts...? Seriously...? SWTOR brings nothing new to the table, except SW universe (which is almost only a parallel universe to the movies since it's 3K years before) and voice acting. I guess I should be mind blown by that alone and I'm a deviant. Btw what many don't realize is that story itself is present in other MMOs as well, just not voice acted...

Yes, it is presented in a new way, with voice-acting. But that doesn't mean it has MORE story than other games. Btw, if you make a new character on the same side, you have to do the same quests (except the storyline, which has a low number of quests in itself), go trough the same areas over again. In WoW for example you can level in 4 different areas at a specific level, which means 4 totally different leveling paths. And every area has it's own story just like in TOR, although it misses voice acting. But just because you ignore WoW's storylines by not reading and pressing accept in a second, doesn't mean it's not there. Yes, TOR's story telling is nice, but my question is, why should I pay a monthly fee for a single player CRPG's leveling experience...? I don't feel that BW wants to keep me here, that's all...

Sorry, but this is just not true. Yes, it's "poorly presented" if you want to say it that way, cause it's in text. But it's there. Every area and instance has it's own story that fits into the world story, and lately there is phasing to follow the story. There is a wide-spread lore in WoW. And instances lately are even voice-acted. The difference in SWTOR is not story, but more/better voice acting. Sorry, but I find it ridicilous to hear that WoW doesn't have a story. It's just not true. Other MMOs have their story as well. They are not just mobs thrown before the players. The difference is not the story driven gameplay, it's voice-acting. Voice acting =/= story.

And what does this have to do with character levels? Btw, WoW's (and other MMO's) quest lines and instances are story-driven as well... The difference is only in VOICE ACTING, not in being story driven or not... And what do you do after you played trough the story? You uninstall and wait for the next content patch?

And why should I pay a monthly fee for a story driven single-player game's leveling experience? Not much. That's the problem. TOR is another WoW. When I got to 50 a few days ago, I was wondering why I should do daily quests and grind FPs the same way I did in WoW? Story-driven sounds good, but story kinda ends at 50. It's fun to play trough the story quests and the FPs once (ok, 2-3 more times if you have more classes that you're interested in). But farming them is the same as playing WoW which I got bored of. My expectiations weren't high so I won't hate the game, I didn't even wanted to buy it, I wanted to keep playing WoW but I got bored not long before TOR came out and I got interested because who doesn't like SW. But the game is kinda boring if you get to max level, exactly the same way WoW was boring. I didn't rush. I payed another month because I didn't reach 50 in one month - but isn't this funny in itself, I had to pay a monthly fee to know the end of my class quest... And I don't want to grind now either - but I have to grind daily quests and FPs...

In before I'm called a WoW fanboi, but in WoW you can level at least 4 characters with questing without going to the same areas (and WoW areas have their own stories as well, just not in a form of voice acting). I'm just sayin'.

It's not about the robes, it's about the skirts ("lower robes"...). Where did the jedi in the movies ever wear skirts (except maybe from the consular types that were only there to show in the jedi temple and never fought)...? Obi-Wan had pants under the robes. How do you stealth around and fight - slicing around with a double-bladed lightsaber on top of it - in a skirt? The assassin class' "role model" Darth Maul had pants. Jedi always had pants, just not that skinny as everyone has in the game... I think even Yoda had pants under his robes. Even the jedi in KOTOR had pants, but I guess in the last 300 years jedi fashion changed... Btw, characters don't look fat in robes, in fact the male characters look ridicilous with these slim waists and those chests... I'm not sure the one who designed males in this game ever looked at their fellow people to see how humans look like in reality... Or maybe the goal was exactly to make them cartoonish superheros in pijamas or something. But oh well...

I think CS looks totally stupid. But meh, I can live with it, I have to watch for procs at the action bar under my char and for the mob cast bar at the lower right of the screen anyway, so I barely see it...

At social II you'll get access to a set with pants from social vendors at each planet (up to Balmorra I think). On lvl45 I could at last buy a set with pants from the fleet commendation (or what's it called, the commendations you get from space combat) vendor droid at the fleet, these were not available before, I couldn't even see them.

Depends what do you mean by that... The Consular only I didn't play the Knight story, but I wouldn't call these minor errands either...

So you all say that "Holiday Special" rocks?

You will have a proc for shadow strike ready along the way anyway, so just shadow strike instead of that DS. If only CS wouldn't look that lame.:\ I'm getting annoyed, I'm running around in a skirt and doing that spinning melee throw with my lightsaber... Amy more lame habits I could take up?

Not really since you don't have to cut your way trough that many mobs because you just stealth past them... I'm leveling with doing only the class story + every planet's main storyline (and filling the rest of the exp bar with space missions and FPs, occasionally pvp). You only have to fight when it is necessary. I found Quizen better as well as infiltration, since he tanks the damage. You don't even have to wait much with dps, he makes great aggro. And even if he dies a lot the mobs are usually on low enough health to finsh them off. Btw if a companion dies, you can summon him with full health quick by switching to another companion and back. Just now I killed Stark with Quizen as well (on lvl 42), although at first try I thought it wouldn't be possible, but on the 2nd try with Quizen (I tried some other methods in the meantime, but then I summoned him back since I had no better idea) in the end I killed him with keeping Q alive. I'm gonna try out leveling from now on with Nadia as infiltration. Checked on some elites and they go down, but you have to attack with Nadia, and let her get some aggro first, and then later when they aggro you you have to use more tricks, there's more movement involved. The normal mobs are easy as usual, just use mind maze and burst hard one by one, use your stun, interrupt, and def CDs well. Don't be shy to use force cloak.