Fully Champ geared Immortal Jugg here, and if my CC breaker is on CD when a Scoundrel or Op gets me from stealth i am dropped before i get up from the initial stun 75% of the time. let me say that again, Fully Champ geared TANK, with a full TANK spec in full champ TANK gear who gets dropped by a class without being able to do a thing about it. If i were a squishy healer or caster i could understand that happening as thats what assassin archetype character are supposed to be killing. Yes i think Ops/Scoundrels are a bit OP and something needs to be done to tone them down, however do it without nerfing them into the ground.

Its because you are a noob to MMO's. Alot of people here, myself included, have played many other mmo's and we are used to certain standards. SWTOR is horribly lacking in many of those standards.

I'm an imperial and on my server we were completely wrecking the Republic all day in illum. That being said i completely agree with a rollback, however BW is now damned if they do, and damned if they dont. Everyone crying for a rollback and cancelling will be the same as All the people cancelling because they DID do a rollback. In short, there will not be a rollback.

If you need any help with griefer control i am more then willing.... - Stricken 50 Immortal Jugg

add me to that list, i picked option 3 simply because my character is extremely cocky and i figured the conversation would go further.... seriously bummed when it abruptly ended.

Oh right... so i deflected 1 out of your 10 3k+ damage shots... i'm sorry, you're right, we must be nerfed Immediately. You sir seriously have no clue about defense or mitigation in pvp... if mitigation were working as intended (and BW is looking into it) you would be doing a hell of alot less damage to us then you already do, so be glad you have what you have while you have it.

Dont generalize. I KNOW how to play my tank in pvp, thanks. I Buddy up with a healer, guard them, taunt off them when people attack them, use aoe taunts in crowds to lower dps, intercede to people to cover ground, hell i will even swap guards mid fight to bail people out. You walked into an argument without reading a damn thing. We arent arguing about how our class works, we are talking about the mechanics of mitigation and defense.... you may go now.

you actually just hit the nail on the head... in MOST pvp games people tend to ignore tanks because they know we are just gonna soak up their damage which could be used in better places (healers, squishy dps) however in this game stealh classes and dps just go right at us because they know we dont have enough dps to counter theirs and are squishy on top of that. The fact that a rogue class like an op or scoundrel comes right at me when theres a sorc or sniper right next to me says it all, a heavy tank is generally a counter to rogue type classes because they generally cant pound us hard enough to bring us down before we can turn and fire back. Here they know they can kill anyone at anytime they want to.

and yes, Envii has completely wrecked me plenty of times... Stricken, Immortal Jugg, 17k HP, 7.5% expertise value... everytime Envii pops on me i just kinda laugh cause i know its not gonna end well for me lol

resolve is completely broken, i have had a full resolve bar plenty of times and still been CC'd completely and just had to sit back in my chair and take it like a man.

As i said above my main focus is on pve, and in 3 weeks of doing HM FP's and running Ops i have exactly 4 pieces now of loot to show for it.... i am the MT for my guild and i am currently behind in gear due to the RNG not favoring me, how do you think i feel? it sucks but i know its how it goes. In pvp i have been extremely lucky and some of my own guildmates hate me for the fact i am only valor rank 26 with 7 pieces of Champ gear with not a single duplicate yet.... its how it happens. Centurion gear is not the best, but it gives you expertise and livable stats until you can upgrade, the only point i will give you is perhaps lowering the cost of it.

you WILL receive X amount of loot as you will be receiving commendations to trade in for whatever you want.... be glad its just not open a bag and its a piece of gear or nothing and a few credits. How upset would you be then?

Tank stats mitigation is a whole another subject, and as an immortal jugg who has taken all pvp tanking champ pieces i will say i feel your pain. however again, its RNG, it will always be RNG even after they change the system over to ta token that allows you to take any set piece you want. Next people will complain about opening 25 bags without a token.

working as intended....

as i will continually say on every post about Champion bags.... both pvp and pve are based off RNG, its all luck, i pve and pvp, for whatever reason i have had much better with pvp loot then pve. I would rather have more pve gear as i enjoy pve more then pvp (in its current state) however the RNG gods have deemed to give me more pvp gear. its an mmo, RNG's are what mmo's are all about.... i seriously wonder if alot of people have never played an mmo before?

pvp loot is off the rng just the same as pve loot.... whats the problem here? You can go weeks without getting a piece of gear except for your commendations just the same as a pve raider can do ops or HM fp's without seeing anything but commendations. i pvp and i pve, currently valor rank 26 with 7 pieces of champ gear while in my pve set i have 2 pieces of columi gear and 1 tionese.... i dont see a problem with either.

The system really doesnt bother me at at all.... i knew what i was getting into when i started pvp'ing while i was bored. Valor Rank 25 and i have 7 pieces of champ gear so far including the 4 piece bonus, no duplicates to date except implant which worked out fine. The only complaints i have to the system are when wins aren't counting towards daily totals, that really peeves me.

i'm fully supporting the OP as i play on the same server as him, have been in countless WZ's with him, and the guy is a solid player and knows *** he is talking about. I am a 50 Immortal Jugg as well, and though i dont have the gear he has as i pvp casually when i am bored i still have a fair set of Champion gear and i get hit like a mack truck by just about every other class and RARELY do i ever see my shield go off. At times its actually quite frustrating going into pvp when i know my dps is terrible and not only that, i cant TAKE any damage either.

+1 to this... i know my dps is laughable on my Jugg, so i just try to swallow up as much of the other team as possible so the rest of my team can score. It still amazes me everytime i am standing there getting beat on by 5-6 of the other team and suddenly the announcer yells how we just scored, always brings a smile to my face, even as i finally die.

Oh, so every 90 seconds its completely ok to be able to kill ANYONE youy want without being touched? riiiiight..... i think thats called an IWIN button, which arent supposed to happen. i play a level 50 immortal spec Jugg with 8.5% expertise resist. When an Operative or Scoundrel gets the jump on me from stealth i literally have to blow EVERY cooldown i have and then pray for a miracle... which happens about 1% of the time as they usually drop me without a hassle, run off, stealth and move onto the next victim. Your class is not balanced, your class WILL be getting nerfed, have a nice day!

No doubt on that, cause i cant remember where it was, but in a cinematic my Jugg shocked the hell out of someone and i was like ***! i want lightning! though still tbh, i think all saber users should have a choice of what style of saber they want.

I would disagree he was an Assassin, i distinctly remember him force pushing Obi over the ledge.... that is a Warrior move. Just Sayin!

So i'm watching Episode 1 just a bit ago (bored, day off, didn't feel like playing, wanted to see Maul's sexy self) and as i am watching the Saber battle between Maul and QGJ/OWK it really started to dawn on me, why the heck arent the tanking saber classes allowed to use dual bladed sabers? Too me it makes alot more sense that 2 blades can provide you with alot more defense then just the single sword. Maul was a perfect example of him taking both Jedi's with no problem as they couldn't attack him from any angle without him having a defense ready (don't care what you say, he schooled them both) and since Dual Blade users can equip a focus the shield generator would easily slide in with the Dualblade. And yes.... personally i REALLY want the option of the dualbladed saber, i think it looks great.

46 Immortal here as well, and i concur, we simply are not built to be Aoe tanks. However once we latch onto one Champ and elite or a single of one its not going anywhere and we are built to take a serious beating with all the defense bonuses and debuffs our abilities cause. what i usually tell people in PUG's is i am tanking hardest to weakest, your kill order is now the exact opposite, i never have any threat issues at all. Stick with it and you'll be ok

I noticed a bit of a change recently. Silvers used to be nothing for me to take, now they are being a damn pain, and on elites i am having to make sure all my cooldowns are up. Thats with a level 38 tank spec'd Jugg and jaesa out as my companion