i want to say somehting... BONUS WAVE!!! no seriously, they dont have issues with preorders at the moment as some1 suggested. they just have a peak in orders for december and if they say on twitter they will get atleast to the 15th its probable they will. the only interfrenece on this might be bug fixes and preparation for the 20th. they will need staff for this, as they will to stabilize the servers etc. I also suppose they want to gief their crew atleast half a day rest before the launch? they deserve it. anyways they have all the interest in finishing preorders today so they can gief a day off or something and then assign all staff to new priorities. having a dude say on twitter that they will reach the 15 and then not do it would be suicidal if not just plain silly... i doubt that a million dollar investment would allow that... anyways, they know the numbers we dont, lets just wait and sing: BONUS WAVE BONUS WAVE etc etc

oh dont be silly, why would they want to make customers unhappy when they can get more inn.... i also doubt they would give falso hopes to people aquiring the 12 on twitter as this would make more unhappy customers. moreover, at 15:00 gmt we will see if they are sending out 4 or 8 waves.

i seem to recal yesterday waves being sent every hour. forums usually stall when they send emails out. so without going to twitter just refresh these forums at the turning of the hour and if they keep redirecting to the wait page then they are sending out invites...

ure talking about one of the wow expansions yes? cos vanilla launch wasnt partic. smooth

chillax! they said that their preorder graph was like 2 mountains with a big flat between them. december has a lot of orders, not sure if it has more than july. It took them a bit more to finish july but they were only doing 4 waves a day then. yesterday they sent 8 waves i think? 1 each hour instead of every 2. Im sure they will put in every effort to put inn as many players as fast as possib. if the 8th dec got in, maybe it had peak orders. maybe the 9th has less. anyways fingers crossed

history isnt made of ifs and buts... so my interpretation goes like this. 1) yoda cant beat palpatine (cos hes old or he didnt have lunch, i dont care he lost) 2) vader beat palpatine (i dont care if he was distacted fighting luke.. tuff) 3) vader is weaker than anakin (cos he cant block force lighting with robot hands making him palps tool) 4) Obi One beats Anakin, (no matter if anakin was to full of himself,, he lost <hands and legs included>) Luke... well during IV-VI hes never strong enough to beat palpatine. after that there are few decent stories /comics and i dont really care what luke did. if u go to old cannon tor times its easier (spoiler incoming btw) Revan can't beat the emperor (hes trapped 300 years by him) you would thus say the emperor is the strongest force wielder BUT a young jedi or sith kills the emperor... long story short: YOU/WE are the strongest jedi in Tor times. we'll just have to see how this is integrated in sw cannon, i assume something similar down the lines of KOTOR. cant be bothered going another 1000 years back but... just go to wookepedia or google it its the most common SW thread ever.

i found this really fun game to play while i wait. this is how it works. get a hammer, find a table and a chair. put your hand on the table and try to hammer your big thump. repeat several times. IT IS SO MUCH FUN WHEN I MISS......

for starters the lvl disadvantage u mention: a) it will only affect u in world pvp (ganking) as i suppose pvp is in lvl brackets as in wow b) u will have the advantage u speak of on all those entering after u, and there should be quite a few after the 20th. another point is that PVP usually REALLY starts at endgame/cap lvl, and is faught in arenas/instances whatever, bewteen cap lvl players, so its not an issue. u might say that u wont start endgame pvp as soon as those who got inn before u but u will be there before many others who didnt preorder... having said this there really is no point answering you point by point, you do realize your just giving in to the rage yes?

Now take sith how many of us are activly seeking to act demonic/destructive hurting and killing to get what we want? mhh wait i remember something like.. "there is only passion" from the sith code of kotor, so technically some1 seeking just sexual and sentimental pleasure is pretty much down that sith way of life.. im sure we could find more examples to give some shades to your black and white point of view

read an article somewhere... plaguous was sideouses master. sidous killed him. right before that happened plaguous had found a way to create life spontaniously, sidious thus conspired to kill him before he could do that as he feared Plagous (spelling?) would otherwise replace him with the new force generated thingy.. sidous managed to kill him (in his sleep) but apparently the later had already managed to create life (anakin). palpatine finds this out later and doesnt mind the idea of having his masters creation as an apprentice. back to the ops point and what has been said. ifs and buts dont count, anakin fell to high ground, and lost legs and arms and more, and palatine may have been distracted but vader chucked him down the gutter... tuff luck but ifs dont make history, so: yoda < palpatine < vader < anakin < obi-1... luke couldnt have fought the emperor then, and the comics and stories relating to what he did after are to boring to read. hence we are back to obi one. as for tor times, raven cant beat the emperor, but apparently WE can (spoiler) so technically U/US are the current strongest jedi/sith taking the discussion 1000 years back then well.....

lol probably the most common star wars thread of the internet... my go at it. kenobi. he beat the chosen one. the chosen one beats the emperor = kenobi can kick palpatines and anakins ***. there are lots to pick from and lots of good arguments for each just go for the one u like the most. go to wookepedia to browse a few

i suppose i owe u an ontopic answer to the OP the definition of gray jedi is ambigious according to what cannon u go with, regardless i think i read somwhere that the dude mentioned above (the kotor companion) is the first time it was mentioned as a concept. if u check wookiepedia look for the lost 20 most of those are considered gray jedis. ah and i also remember some1 said it was first mentioned in movies in I, in the form of "some think qui gon is a gray jedi" there have been more in the comics appearing since. wookepedia in case u're overly curious.

hey soz peps but i cant post my own thread as I cant add a title. maybe one of you can create a thread for me >< my query: kenobi and palpatine. love hate? so im a decemberist and ive been watching some clone wars and it suddenly hit me. palpatine doesn't seem to particulalry resent kenobi I have no memory of him speaking directly of him or about him in a negative or hatefull way. maybe just a phrase here and there but not more than any other jedi. Yet u would think otherwise, i mean he killed his first apprentice darth maul, he trained anakin, in the clone wars he always tries to ruin his plan, lets say more succesfully than other jedi. I mean the duo kenobi skywalker is as succesful as lennon-mc cartney. well he also majorly gimped his new apprentice, so thats a +50 reputation with sidous faction for kenobi. yet he survives order 66 and hides his future murder to him for 20 so years. By the time luke comes into play id figure palpatine would have fits of rage and nervous tics everytime he'd hear his name no? Evenmore so at the very end when his defeat is signed by anakins return to the light side, kenobi is a big part of anakins good side or whatever it is. i gues what i mean is if one day i were to meet palpatine id be particularly careful no to mention kenobi. is it just me or we need some lore reference on this? i mean, in the last week i've come to know about the existence of the extended unierse cannon, non cannon and so on, the lore is huge and often the character development is way better than most stories, games, movies, series out there, yet me miss something as obvious as this. yes i know tor is some 1000 years before, im oftopic.. but ... but...

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no i dont think u understand the point... let me refresh... we have returned!! you may not approve of the method they chose to deal the situation,, but they were prepered.. they even added 2 days to the 5 days so they could gief everyone atleast a few days early play, even the last minute ones like me. be thankfull youll get in tomorrow. after all the 5$ more are for the order and do not regard the early access, and you will be refunded via game subsctiption time. so u paid the same as people who will be buying after the 20th.. you are free to brag and whine, it is after all a human right. but dont try and argue that u should be playing now by law... its not that way.

is it 2pm gmt yet?

to OP: pasting a comment i made on another thread for u u NEVER paid 5$ more for the playing early the +5$ is like a deposit and it will be given back to you in game time (you wont have to pay one month) the preorer service is also alowing u to download the game without having to go to the shop. the service will continue after launch at the same price, so if u buy the preorder now, u are just buying the game as anyone else would be after launch but witha chance to a couple days of early access. you are not paying it more than them. so its not as if you are being robbed of your money if u dont get early access... stop being such a .. square as for the remaining cost of the product well that is the cost of the product and you would be paying it anyway after the 20th... also btw i dont know where u do your shopping but u might want to check out ASDA and other supermarket instead of shopping at waitrose or tescos... 80 £ or $ a week in groceries is a lotta money, unless u live in seventh heaven telivision series..

u NEVER paid 5$ more for the playing early the +5$ is like a deposit and it will be given back to you in game time (you wont have to pay one month) the preorer service is also alowing u to download the game without having to go to the shop. the service will continue after launch at the same price, so if u buy the preorder now, u are just buying the game as anyone else would be after launch but witha chance to a couple days of early access. you are not paying it more than them. so its not as if you are being robbed of your money if u dont get early access... stop being such a .. square

also u NEVER paid 5$ more for the playing early the +5$ is like a deposit and it will be given back to you in game time (you wont have to pay one month) the preorer service is also alowing u to download the game without having to go to the shop. the service will continue after launch at the same price, so if u buy the preorder now, u are just buying the game as anyone else would be after launch but witha chance to a couple days of early access. you are not paying it more than them. so its not as if you are being robbed of your money if u dont get early access... stop being such a .. square

OH STOP being silly, i seriously doubt anyone on the bonus wave was seriously arguing for it.... also the issue of misleading advertizment has been already THOROUGHLY discussed in SEVERAL other threads from SEVERAL days ago... read them, or read the ad it say "UP to 5 days" not "5 days". also they started 2 days early to be able to acheive the 5 days for most preorders... we want to get it. u can whine it is your and every other humans right, signed in 1918 at geneva but dont make silly arguments like THEY OWE US!!! just be good and wait until tomorrow if ure stuffed with rage, or else just join us in the joking around... but please put the nerd rage aside. we already have a furious moderator closing all threads he stumbles on that he doesn't like... we have enuff bad karma no?

some1 is having some fun closing all threads he/she doesnt like? im starting to feel like a pinball ball...

dude we were all very aware that asking for a bonus wave after office hours wasnt going to happen, we were however having a good laugh, and.. the comunity was bonding too.. closing that thread only denotates a serious lack of humour

wait why did i get a warning from a moderator for expressing my opinion and this dude who is trolling and clearly provokating is not getting one? ) lol

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