havent logged on in about 4 or 5 days now. after farming valor 65 and almost all my BM pieces, im waiting for server xfers/mergers and also for arenas. games fun, just nothing to do atm

Where you at Emeda? Trying to rally some sort of meager, defensive, insulting comeback including but not limited to the use of terms "fanboy" "fanboiz" "fanboyz" "biodrone" "biobot"?

You're probably just trolling the decent people in this thread, but here: http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ERTS/1698598856x0x540332/dab48832-e802-4c78-9fe8-91a3bd6180a2/ERTS_Q3FY12_Transcript.pdf That link is a transcript of the EA Q3 earnings conference call, Page 5, top of the page: "FEBRUARY 01, 2012 / 10:00PM GMT, EA - Q3 2012 Electronic Arts Inc. Earnings Conference Call Let me offer some metrics on purchase and subscription that will help you understand this business. As John stated, we have sold through 2 million units of the game since December. We currently have a little over 1.7 million active subscribers. The rest have either not started playing yet or have opted out." I've highlighted in yellow the clarity of EA's statements. Currently... as in current for the time of Feb 01, 2012, 10:00PM GMT. What about this is "misrepresented"? Do you have any citations/sources/evidence to refute this? Or are you going to keep spouting your ignorant drivel?

This. The burden of proof is on the OP. Multiple posters in this thread and countless others have already pointed to the original quarterly earnings statement (which I'm sure someone can link, I'm in no mood to find it and link it myself) which stated 1.7 million subs at a given day in Feb. As in a time that comes AFTER 1/20/2012, or the end of the free period for the vast majority of people who bought the game at launch. Emeda you accuse people here of using ad hominem attacks instead of facts, when in fact, you're the only one here guilty of that... calling all of us "fanboiz" when we've pointed to the facts over and over again. Sit down please, Emeda, you're done.

Where is your source/citation for this? I saw the official quarterly earnings report back when they first released it a week or 2 ago and it stated explicitly 1.7 million active subs as of Feb. xx, i.e. after 1/20/2012, i.e. after the end of the 30-day free period for everyone who bought the game at launch. Until you provide credible evidence backing your claims, you are nothing but a lie-mongerer, a harbinger of false information.

this thread is a lie. there are no girls on the internets

Game is great, a lot of fun. But let's not be sheep and let it remain in its current state. Bringing to BW's attention things that can be improved in a constructive way will make a fun game even better.

world pvp has always been stupid. from wintergrasp to tol barad to ilum. just implement vanity/title/rank only team deathmatch (the "a" word for those of you who aren't following)

i dont see what the problem is. bunch of drama queens

True, but until Bioware implements legitimate arenas, this is the closest anyone can come.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=265035 Servers like Iron Citadel are holding weekly 2v2/3v3/4v4 tournies with credit prize pools. This shows not only the ingenuity of players, but an inherent demand for arenas from the SWTOR pvp community. Discuss.

Really I see so many of these nerf powertech/commando threads... and as a shadow they're really not that bad. Interrupts, tech resist abilities, LoS. Just don't stand there and eat missiles/gravs. L2Play issue. Rock is fine. -Scissors

i bet you could use some sunlight

It's not exactly a Blizzard only concept. The difference between arena and rated warzones is in rated warzones, dying has very little consequence (outside of failing to complete an objective), which allows for very zergy strategies/styles. However, at the heart of arenas/ladder-based PvP lies the idea that you are only allowed that 1 life during the entirety of the match. This increases the competitive stakes a lot more and really enhances PvP gameplay, strategy, teamwork, and decision making. To say I only do arena for the "shiny gear" is entirely untrue. I enjoy PvP in strategy games like SC2, and in FPSs like Counter-strike, and in DotA. In those games, no one has an advantage over another based on gear/rating. Everyone is equally "geared" at the beginning of every match, and winners are determined by skill. If SWTOR arena could follow a similar design implementation, it could be very fun and very successful. I will agree with a lot of people on this, BW need need NEEDS to address ability delay before anyone can seriously consider implementing arena-style PvP.

Do you plan to implement arena style PvP in the future? I.e. PvP that is tournament/ladder based, non-objective centric, and does not allow for more than 1 death per match?

Gross revenue != Net PTI Basic stuff here.

I've come to realize that haters play their part. Irrational hatred for SWTOR has actually generated a lot of interest in the game. What I'm trying to say is when you have a franchise this big, by a developer this big, in a genre this big, about intellectual property this big... and then there's a large community of people who, for whatever reason, absolutely HATE the game and make it their mission to make sure everyone who may/may not have played also hate it... Well let's just say in this case, any publicity is good publicity.

This, sorry you rolled on a low pop server Andrelle, and hopefully BW implements server xfers soon, but for your dead server, they are compensated by a heavily active server. Like mine.

Because EA only has their hands in SWTOR. And not ME3... or DA2... or Fifa 2012 or every NBA Live game or every Madden game "Even in broad daylight, a fool with his head in the dirt will tell you it is too dark to see."

Nope, read the report if you haven't already. 1.7 million active as of today, Feb 1, 2012.

Just quoting myself again. I had no idea what my estimates would've shown while I was haphazardly making them, but it seems that based off of these simple assumptions, and based off of what I see on my server during peak/off-peak hours, there's nothing inaccurate about EA's 1.7 million #.

I'm at work and doing other things while coming up with this estimate.

A disclaimer first: Burden of proof is on you, the naysayer, to come up with facts more credible than EA's own IR report, so don't "riddle me" anything. But I'll humor you anyways because I think your ignorance is amusing. 8k players avg across 215 servers, I'll grant. 2k players on at "all times"? Are you kidding me? Since when has any MMO been able to claim 25% sub activity at any time except peak hours? I'll do BETTER math for you. Let's assume out of those 8k subscribed on server x, 10% play over 10 hours a day, 80% (the vast majority of working/in-school player population) play 4 hours a day (i.e. that 7 to 11PM block), and 10% play 1 hour a day or less. Still with me? Good, gold star for you. Now let's factor in any given hour over a 24 hour day. So if 800 people play 10 hours a day, that's 800*(10/24), in other words, that 10% of the server pop will show 8000/24 or 333 players online at any random hour in a 24-hour playing period, assuming no outside variables. Keep adding it up like this and we get: 333 + 6400*(4/24) + 800*(1/24) = about 1,500 players online at any given hour. You've overestimated by at least 25%. HOWEVER Keep in mind that the 80% (people like me. I am still at work after all) will have a near 0 probability of being online at any time except for peak hours (that 7PM to 11PM block). Which means then we are calculating for what servers look like during the rest of those 20 hours. 800*(10/20) + 800*(1/20) = 440 players online at any given time other than peak hours. TL;DR Quick, distracted math shows that at peak hours, assuming EA's figure of 1.7 million is semi-accurate and not an overexaggeration, assumes that about 1,500 players will be online for BOTH factions during PEAK hours. At any other given hour besides peak hours, we can assume that about 400-500 players will be online for BOTH factions. I for one, don't find that so hard to believe. NEXT HATER PLEASE.

Wrong, read the report again. Or 72 pages of people clarifying that the report is accurate as of today, i.e. after the 1st 30 free days since launch. You haters can at least organize your naysaying a little better, instead of running off the same defensive "it's not accurate!" argument. I mean a figure like 1.7 million, even if they lied by 700k subscribers (which is at least 700k x 60$ or 42 million $ of fraudulent quarterly revenue released to the public, meaning Brown and a lot of people would go to jail for a long time if that were the case), that's still 1 million active subs playing the game. Keep those insults, the fear-mongering, the wild accusations of conspiracy, the defensive grandstanding up. My day at work is almost over and the entertainment on this thread really helped me pass the time.

What do you have to gain spouting off this nonsense?