You should be more worried about Accuracy than Alacrity for Form 7. You cannot afford to miss a DoT in that form or your dps goes way down. In PvP, Accuracy is still important to Form 7 users because most form 3 and Shadows/Sages have high defense values. So you need more Accuracy than you think for PvP. Form 7 "will give up landing a powerful blow, for an accurate blow". If you truely want a better understanding of the Forms we use in this game, seriously read up on the lore about the forms. If you do youll see the forms in a different light than the traditional MMO dps specs everyone on these forums are trying to make.

form 4 is all about speed. You want to attack blindingly fast. So that your enemy is overwhelmed by the value of strikes and slashes he leaves himself open. Form 4 concentrate on Speed with power. In this game you can recreate lore with Alacrity and Power or Alacrity and Crit. Howerver ive notice that splitting your stats up into 2 or 3 categories isnt always the best. Sometimes its just better to stack one. The stats in this game can be misleading like that. In lore, you picked a form based on what best suited you. This being a game a lot of people want to spread their stats across the board to be a balance dps by min/max stats. In lore you went with just one 'stat' and you used it or you switched into a different form for the situation.

Form 5 is all about breaking ones defense through sheer power and strength. In this game thats represented in Crit and Acc or Power and Acc. Even Acc i believe is misleading for a form 5 user in which Acc works. Lowering ones chances to guard vs an attack. That really doesnt work for a form 5 since if they were blocked parried or missed an attack they auto counter it. always pressing the attack. So missing was not always a problem since they follow up a miss with another quick attack. However, landing a powerful blow to knock an enemy off balance is up their alley more than making sure they scored a hit.

W/ 186 gear I have 15% alacrity. All enhancements and augs. With power mods. With my alacrity, my MS is 16.6 CD w 2.62 channel. If I zen, my CD 12 sec CD 2.06 channel. However using, TsT,FL,Cyclone,ZS,PS,CB,BR, MS, DIspatch. I don't need zen if I wait for aturu attack animation to trigger. Thar 15% alacrity allows me to maintain that rotation and use Trans instead of Zen.

You can buy defense enhancements on your fleet. I believe they are lvl 39. You're at the point where the game starts to give you options for your class. Should have been getting some upgrades from certain missions you've completed also. The posters above are correct that you don't get many options to upgrade. If you do you're stuck with low lvl mods and enhancements for lvl40+ content.

Shien: Force Leap, SunderingStrike, Plasma Brand, Overhand Slash, Force Sweep, Saber Ward, Master Strike, Blade Storm, Dispatch. Rinse and repeat. Soresu: Saber Throw , Force Leap, Sundering Strike, Plasma Brand, Overhand Slash, Force Sweep, Saber Ward, Masterstrike, Blade Storm, Riposte, Combat Focuse, Repeat rotation. You do that you aren't waiting on CD if you don't try to spam the crap out of the ability.

I just reference lore when it comes to augments. Power being your ability to use the force, Might is melee and so on. Try connecting augs, mods and class to lore and building your character is easier than you think.

If your 2nd is going deception than he should be a single target dps. They should wait in the shadows until you are ready for them to start dps. At lvl 38 in using Force Charge, Smash, Force Scream, Aegis, Crushing Blow. Using riposte anytime before Crushing Blow then after it to keep defense buff up. Master Strike, Unleashed, Disruption and Force Choke I keep for CC/breaks or finishers. With Quin I can Solo anything using those 4-6 abilities. Allows me to easily keep buffs and debuff a up.

I'm ok with it being on the GCD. It's our spam attack with a buff. Just don't see why it needs to be free. We aren't focus deprived. Once you start using attacks For dmg purpose / zero benefits you're getting away from tanking and into dps.

i think Riposte should be changed. I don't think it should be free since its our attack. Shien should get free riposte when they miss to continue to press the attack but we use it every time it's up for buff. We have plenty of focus to burn.

It's so you can time your Force Push. Gives you enough time to ready yourself before the mob is ready to attack. Start using Force Choke/push combo.

Lvl 32 so I don't have all the abilities. This rotation seems to work for me, like to see a high lvl try it and obviously add to it. Force Leap, Cyclone, (Riposte), Warding Strike, Guardian Slash, Saber Ward, Force Sweep, then I go into a single target attack. Slash, Riposte, Blade Storm, Master Strike. (Riposte) = if up. You should be able to string those together and even get another AoE rotation in without Force Leap. Haven't been in a fight that required another single target rotation yet. I think I'd do Force Leap, Freezing force, cyclone, (riposte) , warding strike, guardian slash, saber ward, force sweep, slash, riposte, blade storm, master strike, hilt strike , stasis, force push, saber reflect.

Question: do you guys think it's better to use Percision with Master Strike or 2-3 abilities to up their dps instead?

I give you credit for looking for a Master. Only thing here you'll find is insults and false knowledge.

Lol. Thanks for the insult. Gotta love people who dislike being confronted with change. Never said replace riposte with one of your abilities. I said, look at the change they made. If you miss you can use it to make up the dps you loss. I said also, Acc is isn't a prime stat you should be stacking. If you feel Acc is key for Shien/Djem So you're wrong. If you're stacking Acc over Power Strenth Crit or Surge go play a Juyo/Aturu user since they require it. So many people on these forums using the wrong forms and cry about dps and its know wonder why. PS. Grand lord who said anything about Focus tree? Post is Vig. Thanks for calling me an idiot.

To waste any slot on Acc with a Shien user is pointless. You should go power crit and surge. Those are you're three stats to go after. Acc is for Juyo or Aturu. Why do you think they changed riposte around? So you guys can waste mod slots just so you don't need to use it? You should be trying to power through ones defense not go around it.

Not really a bad design just more of a Raid design. if you're attacking a Strong/ Champion spreading those dots are easy since the mob won't die fast. You are just adding extra dps for the tank as he's using his AoE. Samething goes for Juyo. Just spreading the pain so the tank can take down trash faster. You personally should be more incline to go single target rotation when facing low lvls, since they die fast.

Ah, Warding Slash generates 7 focus instead of The 6 Combat Focus generates. So why don't you lead off with Force Leap, WS etc. seems like it would fix your GS. Besides, the AOE doesn't hurt you by using it.

Low lvl but I use it twice in my rotation. AoE and Single. FC/BA/RuptureSmash/Cyclone. Then I go into my single target. Rupture/Ravage/FS/Slash. I think it's for stringing your AoE attack into a single target. Again, I'm low lvl but I'm finding the instant works great like that.

Right, Lore helps to point a class in a direction. I was using Lore to show players Shien/ Djem So in Lore is not a superior dueling form (DPS class) that belongs to Aturu and Juyo. A lot of Shien users are trying to compete with those 2 forms and are upset like OP about how they lack dps and the changes from 3.0. Using Lore you can understand why some of these changes are being made. As a Shien user you should be comparing yourself to a Soresu Form 3 user more than anything. Shien is a defense form with offensive capability. Think two handed weapon tank vs Sword and Board tank. Riposte is going to be a great change for the class. Will allow most of you to drop Acc for defense or surge(extreme offense) defense/shield/power defense/power/crit power/crit/surge. Start thinking that for Augsburg and mods. Instead of Acc/power/crit.

Can't argue constructive criticism. You make a valid point. Shi-Cho is better for multiple opponets. Why it was so good at launch in PvP, so it's been getting changed all the time. Feedback in games matter. Having 2-6 Shi-Cho form users jump in and force Sweep a crowd was rough. I think the balancing/tree abilities hurt this form more than anything. (Devs not getting what this form was about). Form one was about disarming ones opponent. pacify/sith version 90% acc debuff closest thing, yet no ability or perks in tree( not really a Form 4/7 utility). Using wide motion and sweeps to do so, seamlessly and fluidly. ex. FS/BS free when using FL/FC/ZL/O . Allowed you to use all your abilities early and often without having to use strike to build focus. That part of Shi-Cho they finally got right. However, I like to again say you are right about 3.0. They continue to take this form in the wrong direction. Oh, another thing. Shi -cho is the beginners form. Why you use it first and some of the abilities are still used in "advance" forms

i forget sometimes... All games are buddy. Swtor isn't any different. The fact you don't believe that it does use lore to help decide, means you don't understand a part of this game. A SW/JK are certainly based in lore. i just explained the philosophies ( lore) of 3 melee dps. Lore pretty much = Swtor classes. MMO standards or "balancing" is what you see as far as utilities. Which the forums seem to think the Devs are wrong. The classes play very similar to lore except in animations.

You'll need to gear for Acc. With 3.0 Shien/Vengence won't want to but Soresu will want to up to the point most dps do now. The new 3.0 changes will make most dps gear acc. From a stat point of view, the higher acc you have, the lower the defense your opponet has. ( imo, giving taunts acc usage seems like a poor balancing effort. To many complaining about taunts in PVP?)

Talking to me? Lore, aka backstory/myth/legend of a game. Swtor has a lot of it and most people know some just from the movies. Most of the moves are not based in lore(animations or lack there of) but the philosophies are. Djem So(Shien) Uses Strenth and power to over come your opponents, always pressing the attack. ( ravage/ms PB/ shatter Impale/OS). Also big on countering. Hence the Riposte change( don't invest into acc, will help with dps in the end). Aturu form uses the force for speed jumps, spins and etc( zen/ berserk ). Ms/ravage being your main attack along the side of BS/FS after. Juyo is about using the opponets Rage against himself/ gaining strength the longer you fight. Hence why Juyo stacks and uses bleeds with Healing capabilities. Juyo and Aturu are geared towards one on one lightsaber combat. Shien is suppose to be good at defending with offense with multi mobs. ( changes in 3.0) djem So which is now Shien is also a lightsaber v lightsaber combat.

You guys on the forum need to realize that the Jedi/Sith Classes are based in lore the most. A Shien/Djem So is not a better duel form than Aturu/Juyo. So the fact that out of those 3 melee dps you're last it's rightfully so. Shien/djem So is a big hit big crit class. stacking Power/crit/surge. No way you beat a class of acc/crit/surge(w dot) or a speed/Acc/power. You're playing a class that gears up to high dps not a class that dishes it out right away. If you think you are, you're wrong