Considering I'm easily equaling and mostly overtaking my guild sents, I think I'll be fine for NiM as well. My stance on this game's specs have always been on the side of "It's not the ride, it's the rider." So no, we will be able to do NiMs when they come. BUT. Only the BEST of us will fit in that category. Compared to at least 500 NiM capable Sents worldwide, Vigilance only has about ten, maybe at most twenty of us. The disparage is clear, both between DPS and the average user viability of the class. If we think of a run of the mill raider with low credentials, no way in hell they'll cut it in vigilance without hours upon hours of training and experience some of us has. ( I've been playing since Dec 2011 and leveled 3 vigis, 1 vengeance jugg, so imagine the time spent.... ) I mean, this fact alone shows that we need some sort of DPS buff, to get us placed just behind Sentinels, not every other sppec out there. Funny thing is, MDPS should always be a bit higher than RDPS. By that logic, we should be parsing just a teensy bit above Sages and Commandos, and maybe a very bit behind Slingers. Instead, Slingers dominate even sents, and Sages and COmmandos( mercs actually mostly) overtake us on average. Also, I can see NiM requirement of of DPS being at most around 3.0, coz these new raids look like they'll require coordination more than pure DPS in possible NiM modes. ( Coz let's face it, Raptus and Grob is a joke no matter the HM. Jesse Sky is more clever than that, the man is a certifiable sadist when it comes to NMs.) Also, the NiM DPS req. for SV is around 2.8-2.9k, and at the time of 72s, some of us were at 3.0-3.1k threshold. Hell, only shadows were below reqs, but now that's fixed as well. No need to over dramatize things in that department. Will a sensible raid leader TAKE a guardian unless he/she (never saw a good female Vigi player btw, weird) is parsing above 3k? See that's the more dangerous issue. Perception. Not many people realize by putting two sents you gimp your survivability and actual DPS potential, and utting two slingers is just plain stupid unless you have to, coz sages do so many things a slinger just cannot. Same goes for us GRDs. Since Vanguards lack mobility and actual DPS survivability cooldowns, we are the most viable offtanky option, whom also provides armor reduction. But many raid leaders are simple folk who cannot strategize beyond simple DPS numbers and reading tactics off of Dulfy.

Vigilance buffing is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT OVER. Not while sentinels are now %17 ahead of us ( new numbers emerging with new armor reducted dummies.) I do not care if focus shrivels and dies. And tanks are performing nice, many healers love 'em nowadays. Vigilance needs help. Big time. And as always, I will come back to the old issue. Fix the RNG on Zen strike. Yesterday.

I will not abide by Andrew running back and taking the job. He lost his chance... and got out of touch with the game. As for my candidate; I don't see any problems with picking any of these three: Grallmate, Aren or Alec. And no Jonny. Actually... someone convinve Johnyy to go slinger. Maybe he can corrupt slingers and get a nerf for the peace of mind ofrest of DPS specs.

I don't want to sound so burnt out and jarred but... PvP ...................*turns away and walks* Now the reality of root is that it may fix somethings in pvp, as we stated over 32956942323 times, it does nothing for pve. Nothing. At all. And I seriously can't see how you pvp dudes even spare points for that talent.....Anywhoo. While we are not post 2.0 shadows, we are now solidly in last place. And it's last place in a race where DPS numbers of specs are spread out, not concentrated. Whatever semantics we may argue on, numbers don't lie. We need a boost.

I care NOTHING for Vigilance GRDs in PvP. I generally don't do PvP. I also hate Focus Guardians because their commitment to being jerks to everyone ensured our collective doom at 2.0 changes. Now Even if I did, I'd tell you that root fixes nothing. Moving on... Vigilance PvE: Listen and listen well. Survivability in PvE regards the player more than the spec. I've seen hybrid vanguards falling down in 5 seconds, and yet shadows living through the same thing. While it's a gross simplification, this holds mostly true. Cooldown wise, Vigilance has excellent surviviability, eclipsing almost everyone IF YOU KNOW HOW TO CYCLE YOUR COOLDOWNS. Hell, I even offtank bestia and such at Dread Council when need be, and the go-to guy when a tank falls is always the GRD DPS. Never the shadow, never the vanguard. It's alwayss the Guardian DPS that takes the boss for those panic moments. Survivability is fine. Not overpowered, or not underpowered. Just frigging fine. Crucial point: DPS => Thank you a LOT bioware. Thanks to your insecurity about your gunslinger and sentinel alts, you nerfed Focus, and in the haste of nerfing it, you took Shien's damage away from Guardian with 2.0. Good job shortsighted friends of mine. Not only that, the already crude RNG became downright capricious. Even the best of us gets very mediocre numbers if RNG turns around and shows us its backside. And now you buffed Shadows.. They needed it. Badly. And now they are mathematically in line with TK sages and commandos. Kudos. You FINALLY got it right on that front. .... But you forgot. You forgot, that the iconic class of this whole damn genre is Jedi Guardian. We never asked for an OP rotation or DPS. We wanted a fair chance. You took that away each patch by giving more and more to others. And now slingers are entirely uncontrollable. They are outdpsing EVERY single spec by at least 400. They are banging down the doors of 4.1k DPS, and pretty soon they'll break that barrier as well. The sentinels who never had any Armor Reduction now gets armor red. at dummy, and the return is......*shivers* Put simply, we are now, on average numbers, the worst DPS class in game. Ponder this for a moment. Jedi Guardian. The single AC which is most recognizable, and easily the most played in this game. The worst. This, beyond anything else, is a HUGE marketing mistake. What puzzles me is that Bioware Austin has ( or at least had) some guys from Bioware Mythic. For the love of god, ask them how a single class balance issue KILLED an entire MMO. Just ask. Not to say that SWTOR will die coz of this, because it won't really, but come on! This is a SERIOUS matter. Well, at least more serious than that hideous Ewok you peddled onto masses and passed it along as "new content." I mean really?! An ewok! ............To conclude this rant, many ppeople presented a lot of good ideas, and most of hem were not that cumbeersome. Just fix the gosh darn RNG and / or buff some DPS. NOT that hard. Also, my Defense Guardian friend wanted me to say thanks. He thanks you because the moment shadows got their new shiny buffs ( and thus returned to pre 2.0 GODTANK status), his raid team outright booted his *** out. Great job. Just amazing. On the other hand, space is cool, so I'll stick around that when I'm not making sentinels doubt the length of their genital organs' size.

I checked the website and saw "Guardian" and "Vang" applications are closed. Not cool, considering some of us are actually DPSers who kick sentinel butt.

Do you have a website we can look into and apply by any chance?

He did, but then he got bored with that. He is a pro at that as well.

Sent and Slinger? Really? What if a Guardian DPS and Sage DPS wanted to join? Coz, yes, there is a certain pairof sage and GRD DPS lookng for a progression guild.

I'd like to add a question for myself. I and a friend are considering a server change with our mains since Progenitor's PvE progress has slowed down to a crawl and almost died after server transfers. We are two very very capable DPS and want to know if we can satisfy our want to progress in newest and hardest content, and if the server's PvE community is stable and able to support progression guilds. Long story short, how does the number of PvE prog. guilds and their progression level rate in comparison to Progenitor? Edit: Also, how does the community's attitude, overly l33t or polite or normal?

In all honesty, if you are a capable Vigilance who can hold his own against %95 of sentinels, you are taken. Actually, some of the first NiM clearing grps had Vigs in it. That being said, at the current rate this goes, we are going to be the new Infiltration Shadows of this game.

If Bioware devs are men of their words of that "every DPS spec will be within %5 gap of DPS difference", Vigilance needs a boost. As of now, we are %7 behind sents and gunslinger....Well, I really don't even look at slingers anymore, it's getting ridicilous with their numbers.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! I'm the one vigilance trying to stay on par with sents, and now you buff watchmans but not me?! Wth we are gonna do at pve, we need some sort of DPS increase! ANYTHING. ANYTHING. You are risking making vigilance guardians the joke of the game at this rate, we won't be taken for HM raids at this rate! WAKE UP. NOW. Manwë from Progenitor, so I reserve the right to comment on the issue as a decent Guardian DPS.

The 1050 CC was not a bonus, it was a store credit refund for last 30 day purchasers.. This 500 just for reactivation makes ZERO sense. Well, yes, it's an INCENTIVE for old subs, but it's also a bit like saying "You shoulda gone f2p and came back now instead of subbing all the time." Weird. So it's very understandable for old subs to be invited back, but... I mean, does it make any sense for the current subscribers? Hell no. I subbed since launch for god's sake, and so far, only bonus I've seen is an extra 30 days they granted back in Feb 2012 or something. Aside from that, it's been "shaft the subber, stroke the freebie" all the way. Would I unsub? No, coz I love this game and it's currently best all around MMO on the market, but sure as hell not happy to get whipped all the time. Bioware's dear community managers, take notice of this fact: We of those who supported and understood the 1050 CC refund and old buyers of RotHC not getting anything, ARE getting angry over this. That should show your marketing department that this latest 500 bonus to resubbing players is a BAD BAD move. Real bad. Like, totally, really bad.

Take it from me who has been playing Vigilance since Launch day. Armor, MEANS A LOT. Especially after 2.0. Vigs Guardians, as of now, are the most survivable DPS classspec with Focused defence, alltime active %4 mitigation and now the buff on heavy armor of general. I have as MUCH mitigation as a shadow tank, go figure. As for DPS, Vig caps at around 2940~3000 DPS. If you can reach there, you are pretty much God of DPS anyways. top of the line slingers and sents do 3200, but it doesn't matter **** after 2.8k DPS, since even NiM modes only check for 2.7k. Capisce, my dear little Guard DPS haters?

I think I'm speaking for a large member of the male players out there. ZELTRON! NAU!!

Legacy level 49 and gonna hit 50 any day now... 4 lvl 50s (Jedi Grd and Shadow, Sith Sorc and Marauder), 1 lvl 42 gunslinger, 1 lvl 32 powertech, and 2 lower level alts..... I NeeD MOAR slOts! Seriously though, I will pay for it. It will be the ONLY thing that I will pay besides my usual sub fee after F2P launch, and I guarantee you that I will pay. Bioware devvies, there's money to be earned in this venue! Edit: I will guarantee you that even the money earned from RP server extra slot unlocks will pay for any additional server farm upgrades you will have to make. Many people on RP servers like me are willing to cash out for it. Many people on Progenitor(where I play) has already hit the max 8 slots and many of us desire more. Let's face it, you made a Bioware RPG in an MMO, and the only Bioware game I didn't create 20 different chars was Dragon age 2, and that was because it's options were limited.

Mira'luka homeworld of Katarr was destroyed by Darth Nihilus. Over 300 years ago. Got it? That means they are few and they don't have an obligation to be Fuc..eh..Force user %100. SAme goes with the purebloods. They are few, they are generally haters that hate.... Go read Drizzt Do'Urden adventures. He too was a drow, not an automatic case of maniac in spite of that. Stop. ************. If you had a shred of knowledge of SWEU, you'd know nearly ANYTHING is plausible within the universe. ANYTHING. For god's sake, they can pull out Yuuzhan Vong Jedi's in an far-off expansion BECAUSE even though the entire race is dead to the Force, Jedi discovered a method that simply awakened them. Period. Anything goes within SW. This is not some Blizz-whatever fictioned lore that has only, what, 15 years of background. SW has dozens of books, games, tabletop games and rulesets, 5 different time sets, thousands upon thousands of cultures and simply known as "The IP." 'Nuff Said.

While this would hold true for any other Universe, in SW universe, Jedi Guardians have always been the masters of lightsaber and physical combat. The name is an old reference from Star Wars pen and paper RPG, the three classifications to Jedi were Guardians,Sentineles and Consulars. Guardian name is actually a misconception in an MMO like this, it actually means we are the most bad *** class of all. We don't GUARD per se, we guard by cleaving our foes.

And in my guild, they don't take more than one Sent. because it's hard to keep 'em alive. Seriously though, I'm a Vig. GRD and I'm kicking so much *** they have no choice BUT to ask me to come. Sure Sentinel's do a "just a little bit" more DPS, but in the long run, GRD DPS is the way to go. ANy and all idgits( YOu know what I mean) that have typed here "go tank" "you can't DPS as GRD", go and get your heads out of the sand. Guardians rock. Period.

What if we are Vig build and don't have warding call? I'm having srs trouble with soloing this instance.

"Push is an annoying ability and must not be used till anyone asks for it" ? Really? Aside from shadows, we are the single class that requires an express melee range and frankly, they don't care if you use it. You can throw mobs off ledges, get them away from your healers if your tank fails to aggro, in certain situations, you can get off an extra Saber Throw + Force Leap on the poor sucker. You are what we call fundamentalist. No creativity at all.

If you are above lvl46, which means you should have Dispatch... You should PWN their backsides every single time. I do.

I have to say that I agree with a poster few posts above this one. I'm lvl 50 and I obtained 3 pieces of champion gear with PvPing and believe me, even though Rep. side loses %80 of the time, I simply dominate the DPS and medals list. I gain defender and protection medals as well because I fire off taunt and AOE taunt whenever they're open. I pop off Master strike and use GRD leap to my allies, I use saber throw and dispatch..... OH.MY.GOD. Dispatch is an instant PvP-win ability! It's almost OP! If someone is %20 of their health and they don't have sorcerer protection on them.... Bye bye love, bye bye happiness for them. Dispatch dispatches their backside in oneshot. Result: MVP votes, freakish DPS scores (I began to surpass the 200k mark every match since I got my champ gear), and Empire players that try to gank me while my allies capture/score/plant bomb. Note: I'm Vigilance build and yes, it's a PvE build..... But come PvP, I believe it's one of the most frightening builds out there with its terrifying DPS output and the bonuses it gives to dispatch. Plus, Plasma brand which prevents them from using some of their channels. I may be a tad easy to kill( which means it take 3v1 to kill me), but as I gain playing skills and tactical knowledge, very few Empire players are able to match me. As I understand, Defense built GRDs don't do much DPS as I do, but they gain HUGE Protection scores all around.

Wow, you guys are so CUTE!!! Ah...talking about having a full bar or two... I got 3 and a half full bars that I'M having trouble tracking atm ((lvl50). I have keybinds that start from shift + 1-8 and q,e,t,y,g,v, S+ q,e,t,y,v,g... Prepare yourself for the ultimate challenge : Watching your bars and procs all the time. AND I mean ALL the time.