Sorry about that, I just checked if it was a the correct version of watchman ie after they put the proc back in. Felden <Ascension> 4021 4min 8s 36/8/2 http://www.torparse.com/a/696534/14/0/Overview

Felden <Ascension> 36/8/2 Sentinel http://www.torparse.com/a/676889/2 4092.39 (4min4s)

Why not melee?

I believe Quorum killed 8 man Brontes in Early January. They just never posted 8 man progression. Same goes for council. Here is the Brontes Kill pic. http://i.imgur.com/7iUxAjE.jpg No dates, but I can get you a screenshot of someones achievement date from the group.

Why don't you try claiming that kill as a guild clear on another server then, you'll find that they most servers wouldn't count it as a guild clear either. Other servers have stricter rules when it comes to claiming guild clears. Why should this server be any different?

You guys got to 10%? That's good, and frankly I'm surprised that you didn't push to kill it after being so close. Good luck on your next pull though, if you're able to get it to 10% then you'll have no problem killing it assuming you have enough dps.

Actually Bart I was giving you the benefit of not being a complete *******. But thanks for coming out and saying you're a jerk and frankly I'm glad you left the server.

If you only care about raiding and treat it like a job then yes, but I for one like to have fun since this is JUST A GAME. I have friends on this server and transferring all of our alts would be quite expensive. I don't want to spend close to 20,000cc just to move servers so that I can do PVE content that I could do on BC. If you're able to justify putting in more money into this game then you already have then great, but it's not like the bosses on another server are more difficult. I think the recent clears of NIM S&V by DOA and Ascension show that the players on this server can clear whatever they want should they choose to. Like your guild DOA and Ascension had people, myself included, go on a long hiatus in the summer that halted NIM progression for the server. But unlike you guys both guilds decided that they cared more about the people on the server then killing a raid boss, and unlike you guys both guilds probably saved quite a bit of money in server transfer costs; sorry we all can't be rich like you guys =P Also keep in mind that the raiding community on BC is more casual as we aren't skipping work or pulling long nights to kill a boss, at least my raid group doesn't. We go at our own pace, and for the amount of time we put into an instance I think we're doing just fine. My raid group probably put in no more then 15 hours into NIM S&V before we got Dragonslayer. How much time did your ELITE guild put into it? Just a couple more questions to all you "#ELITE" raiders from Harbinger: Why are you still posting on BC forums if you think it's such a crummy place? Shouldn't you be posting on the Harbinger forums? You did move there after all....

You realize your guild falls into that category as well right? As you didn't transfer off of BC until after 78 gear dropped. I guess that says something too....

You do not Need 78 mainhands as Severity showed that it was possible to do it without them. However 78 mainhands would make the fight alot easier as the DPS check is tight and having more DPS would give you more margin for error.

Nvm wrong thread

Hello, I am also looking for a new ops group. I am from the same guild as the OP. Here is my parse 3291 We are both experienced raiders that are looking for a server with a healthier community.

Some proof on this would be nice. Otherwise you're really just making yourself look foolish.

Fairly certain the Progression thread was run by El Elyon for a very long time. I think it was then passed to Melyn, then someone on the IMP side, then to EPIC's GM, and then finally Kenji in DOA. Just thought i'd help set your facts straight.

Name: Orazio Screenshot Link: http://assets-cloud.enjin.com/users/5201104/pics/original/2176039.jpg Record Broken: Most Damage (Unranked) and Most DPS (Unranked) Value: 2060356 damage, and 2019.96 DPS Type of Match: Unranked Date of SS taken: 10.10.2013

Miruriya Doomed Lemmings http://www.torparse.com/a/358787/time/1375066625/1375066933/0/Overview Orazio Dead on Arrival http://www.torparse.com/a/428521/time/1379557260/1379557605/0/Overview

Orazio Dead on Arrival #1 Highest DPS in a Warzone (Unranked) http://assets-cloud.enjin.com/users/5201104/pics/original/2139135.jpg

Sorry if you took what I wrote as saying Hit and Run wasn't capable of clearing NIM Dread Guards at all. If you read what I wrote all I was implying is that you couldn't have cleared it without Gag and Kenji on that particular kill. If you could have then why did you search out of guild? My point is why didn't you give any credit to Gag and Kenji? IIRC whenever Ascension killed anything they always acknowledged their PUGS, for instance when they acknowledged Flintece when he helped them clear 10 stack Dreadtooth. By claiming it as a Hit and Run kill you selfishly take away from their contributions, since, AFAIK, they are not affiliated with Hit and Run in anyway. As Bart implied, all you would have to do is re-post a kill with your current group that has killed OPIX and Kephess and this would all be a non-issue.

I think the reason for this discussion and the new rules is to prevent instances like Hit and Run's claim of NIM Dread Guards. I know for a fact one of the non-guilded members in that group didn't really think it was right for Hit and Run to claim that kill as their own. In my opinion that was a PUG raid and was a PUG clear. Claim it as such and give proper credit to those that helped out. The OPIX and Kephess kills are much more respectable in my opinion as that seems to be a set group. However, if Hit and Run can claim NIM Dread Guards with that group then should DWBI and DOA also get credit as Hit and Run wouldn't have been able to clear it without the people from those guilds?

Ah ok. Well in the end I think it is up to Z. But I think my stance has been made fairly clear on this subject.

That's true, but what about your NIM Kephess kill? I might be wrong but I thought Desirea was in Ascension...? VaeI is definitely in Infamous it seems. Also you could just re-post a more recent kill of NIM Dread Guards and that would end all disputes.

I think the rules are more so that people don't double dip. For instance you can't take people from other progression groups and claim kills, having people from other guilds are fine. I don't see a problem with forming pug raids but posting these kills as progression isn't really legit. For instance Miruriya and Neutrinos even though they have characters in Doomed Lemming don't raid with other Guilds other than DOA, at least for progression. It would be silly and selfish to make them change guilds just to post in a community thread. However I believe I saw a kill of NIM Dread Guards from Hit and Run, this group contained a progression DPS from DWBI and a healer, Kenji, from DOA. Both of those toons are progression toons and while forming the raid and clearing the content is great, claiming it as a Hit and Run clear is a little bit of a faux pas as you wouldn't normally have access to those toons as they would be locked. Just my 2 cents.

The point I was really addressing is that combat is not superior to watchman in any fight besides Dashroode and Titan 6. In those fights you can use focus and get better numbers than combat. If you are losing stacks in Olok due to the shields than it probably means your dps is good enough so that you don't have to really worry about enrage. If that is the case then it doesn't really matter how poor your dps is since your raid has sufficient dps to meet enrage.

I'd agree with Dashroode and Titan 6. But the other ones I'd have to say no. Thrasher I've personally never had a problem. I've rarely loss stacks of Merciless on Olok unless it is due to an abundance of DPS between the shields coming down. Cartel Warlords have never been a problem either. Dashroode and Titan 6 are perfect for focus spec assuming you have other good single target dps in your raid group. Bottom line is: Play what you like and be good at it. You can go through all nightmare content without ever learning combat/carnage as a sentinel and pull excellent dps.

I'd have to disagree with the "pulling your weight equally" as the two highest sentinel/marauder parses on Styrak right now are carnage (2931 dps) and annihilation (2902 dps). I would say that's pretty equal and unless you're pulling much higher than 3k dps on those fights and have the parses to prove it, I'll politely refute your claim with said evidence. Here are the parses: Carnage: http://www.torparse.com/a/362219/41 Annihilation: http://www.torparse.com/a/350226/16