At its heart its not a troll thread.

Now may god protect and keep all those working on the game safe and employed.. No, not in one patch.. The insult is the overall lack of interaction within the forums by someone who's job it is to truly fight for what's right in gaming, and protect us from that what is outright stupid to ignore. I am mortally sick of gaming companies milking us and eternally failing by degrees, year by year, down the slippery slope of base common denominators. To BW, and the powers that be. Are there no Jedi among you? Even a Sith can see the injustice and dishonor of it all. You have failed to rally the people to hope, and the galaxy unravels before you. Be out front and give us the laundry list of issues, that by the clearest evidence you were warned of time and time again. Deny nothing. Lay down a reasonable and understandable timeline with your player base. Set focus areas of support and ask players to actively assist in nailing down the priorities as quickly as possible. Get a all hands on deck attitude going on, because I don't care if you do suddenly have great progress with your next patch, your lack of public relations disturbs me.. Further, shut down the most broken of content. If you know the issues.. Otherwise get appropriate logging in place so players can participate in the solutions. Better to cry about, ' Can i hax epic lazr and pew pew mor plox ? ' than detailed well worded bordering on the obsessive breakdowns of the bug conditions issues and timing.. that you appear to ignore outright. don't cha think? Unfortunately, I suspect that by association and commonality of code or systems, they BW can't. They would have to shut the whole game down for a patch just to turnoff the access. My presumption is that not only did they release the game unfinished, but were not bright enough to have a proper set of game management tools in place either. Personally I would very very very much like to see the financials for where all the investment went in the development. Because if it was majority for score and voice acting I could possibly understand the failure in other areas. However it is still intollerable for how they have handled it going forward.

If you take in all of his content across many games, it's more a burn out on business model.

and yet, so many have found value in it.

I disagree. Clearly the leveling curve is too low, characters can max level way too fast. This is backed up by the crafting system and coincidental collection of resources to level skills on. Further most heroics and FPs are not tied into any plot or story creating natural choke points for all players.

Tho again I have tried these things. Because of how things flow there are many difficulties. Like the general proportion of levels in any given zone focused on the same objectives. Maybe tis just my luck at things or my scheduling. I play early afternoons and late evenings east coast. But my east coast server is always standard or light now. I think the most people I've ever seen was 150+ in fleet, and I spent hours looking for a group in my level doing the same content I was interested in.

Because the krap management companies behind the games keep releasing titles which are absolutely not ready for market.

Amen to that my brother, Amen..

People often presume to see hate when in truth there is none.

Although, all these people took a look and talked about it. I really don't care if the Dev's pay attention or not. I am of the opinion they are deaf and dumb.

But the absurd Irony is that in the beginning it was the norm. All the early MMORPGs were heavily complex and integrated. In social engineering, in game economics, to 100% player driven crafting.. The industry has been trying to recapture that appeal ever sense, and failing a little more every year. If not for being way to far on the other side of that EvE Online would meet most of the elements that made the oldest MMOs so great. But by the numbers that business model and game design motive is clearly working to turn a profit and maintain positive growth.

Well it's not like BW gave us much to work with.. For the systems to offer constructive feedback I mean, of course.

Well I didn't think my feedback referencing a well designed blog post I agree with in total, was useless. I would not be able to articulate all that.. I wasn't expecting to see that there when I went over there today, but it so well summed up my impressions I was compelled to share.

I liked it when I bought it.. sort of.. I had reservations because of my technical difficulties.. I still 'sort of' like it because of the overall innovations and attempts at breaking new ground. They need all the feedback they can get before its too late. To improve things we need more speech not less.

Your dog must be awesomesauce! I do read their stuff a few times a year.. and they're more like clones to be honest and some impurities got into Graev, we think.. He's the special one..

Well as I stated I hadn't been keeping up with them for some time. However lately I get the inclination to see what they've been up to, what games they're looking into. They get invited to every beta of pretty much anything apply to. So.. That means something to me regarding their legitimacy, anyways. These two brothers are studying to be in game design. They have evaluated the pros and cons in various titles, versus their vision of achieving perfection, for years. Well Keen specifically as Graev is more the hard core gamer. GW2 is on their radar but I was so turned off by the first, I dunno if I can get excited about it, but I'm looking at it more seriously. Given my history with online gaming. I want a title that is dynamic enough to be a living community in the server and the forum. To be engaging and interactive to the point you develop a relationship with your character, like you would expect in any good RPG. I haven't seen this for many many years. The future of MMORPG game design is not the sticks and carrots, not the beauty of land or sky, but depth of character and community building. Those lucky enough to get into a gaming group of friends, develop a decent organized guild and have enjoyed a social connection to the game from the beginning, count yourself lucky. For my experience spamming general on planets, fleet, form the ship, and every dinky space station instance.. When I needed a group, some help.. nothing, and silence for a vast majority of time wasted in the asking. Occasionally I'd get lucky myself, or see someone else in the same boat and jump in with them. I'll spare you the insanity of what it takes to have installed this game on my system, it works.. So I can forgive them that.. Now.. I'll spare you the story of being stuck under a floor for two days after a patch, requiring 4 tickets and 4 phone calls to get resolved. I won't bother to express the multiple bugs and glitches causing the game to be broken to the point of disgust among not only myself but multiple parties and situations. If its good to you, good for you~! It's not good to me.. Krapy game or just my luck, I can't say..

best response evar! +1

Kinda like stopping the reading at the first sentence and making a blanket judgement?

This gaming blog is well known and respected in the gaming community. So dismiss all you like, just don't consider it random.

http://www.keenandgraev.com/2012/02/14/copy-gold-leader-out/ I haven't been keeping up closely with these guys. But Keen is uncannily right in his perceptions a vast majority of the time. Besides his assessments, in addition I can not tolerate the bugs and poor design elements which just make you wonder about the designers professionalism, if not their talent. Also the general game management structure and failure of proper public relations and in game support. It was great while it lasted and save something biblical in effect to change how the game plays and feels, I do not see this title lasting. I'll hang out a while longer, probably go back to an older title like DDO.. I'm sure they've added content by now..

I predict free to play by this time next year... then subs wont matter.

What people here seem to fail to perceive is the lack of a social aspect in this game. You can Ignore everyone till 50, level to 50 within 2 months of very casual gaming and once at 50 see how hard it is to do anything on your time.

Im going with end game is rubbish, not quitting yet but its on my mind

We get confirmation that all issues will be addressed. We are still waiting to see the truth of it.

No just dubbed it irrelevant. Choose whatever your first impulse is and move on.