Not willing to suffer ......LOL, this is a game, right?

If an mmo developer doesnt add in that huge gear gap, a vocal group will scream bloody murder. If theres no advantage whats the point of competeing for a hard core mmo person? I for one have gotten sick of the formula, pvp is a lot of fun when teams are closely matched, but that happens , well never now. Preorganization, giant gear gaps have ruined the game, and all it does is drive away subs. I think the fix is to only allow the premades on pvp servers, and only allow solo que on pve servers. Funny thing is organized pvp predators are worse on pve servers, just goes to show how little minded and creepy people are. I might be in the minority, but i could care less about organization, gear or any of that stuff that goes along with the 'must win at any cost on a video game' mentatilty. I prefer fun with my games. Time for casuals to move on.

So youre into sadomasachism? I most definately am not, and im sure many others arent either.

99% of all pvp on every server im on (about 5) are losses, some are much worse than others. pvp in its current form, premades vs pugs is flat out tired. Premades claim they play premades because they "want to play with friends" lol, which we all know is nonsense, these guys are preorganized thugs who count on quing up vs hapless pugs, yes count on that, to get thier semi effort free gear/wins. Most pugs are not that serious about winning or getting gear, im guessing people pug to casually have some fun, without the hassle of being run and put together in a military fashion. I find chaotic, pug vs pug pvp to be lots of fun. Usually that fun is in the first couple months, then the thugs take over. See: rift. Incredible pvp for about 6 months. From a puggers point of view, getting smashed by these thugs is NOT fun, its crushing and makes me want to quit the game, and all that is going to accomplish is longer and longer ques. To me what mmos need to do is simple. Pvp servers should allow group quing, and pve servers should be limited to a random que as solo only. That way you know what your getting into. As a side note, the preorganized pvp guilds on pve servers are by far the lowest bottom feeders in gaming history, next to spawn campers. Those guys are afraid of big boys, lols. Just thought id throw that out there.

Game over, pvp is garbage, the populations are so imbalanced across all servers, organized premades on pve servers getting fat on derp pve 'ers, cant say much more. Another mmo with some potential pvo wise wrecked by bad developers and thug like premades capatilizing on it. Good luck fellas, enjoy the sheep-less long que times. /subscription canceled. save the trolling, i wont see it, and im sure bioware in the paniced state they are in are deleting these truthful posts fast anyways.

im an ops and these nerfs arent horrible as last time, the class isnt that good tho, unless your one of these master keyboard pvpers with good gear. The bottom line is this game is garbage in so many areas, ive given up, this knee jerk reaction to whiners shows how much bioware is clueless about thier game. Now that theyve nerfed everyone into a corner, everyone is rerolling marauders and thier jedi equivilent, its happening already. So depressing, but to all the remaining fan bois ...i pose a question...if this steaming pile didnt have the star wars name , would YOU play it? I highly doubt it.

No. Awful, dead game. im astonished how bad this game is, and still in a dazed form of denial, unable to cancel because its star wars. How could something star wars be bad. depressingly terrible lifeless game.

Spelling and grammer, however should be rewarded.

Wow. After all these years of having 'hardcore' pvp putting casuals down, its finally hit me...you guys are mentally like 4 years old...so...basially the game is not fun unless you have gear better than the next guy to get an edge, because without that edge, you might **gasp** LOSE....holy cow....Personally i think pvp in swtor is loads of fun when the sides are even matched and completely sucktastic when one side is dominating, even when im on the winning side, ITS AWFUL...a game does NOT have to be gear based to be fun, its your mentatlity thats the problem. You guys complain about the afkers and leavers...you guys are the same, 'give me better gear than the next guy or i quit'.

yea, exactly, and its called denial, and its all over these forums.

Meh another 'need a punishment for leaving' post...me im itching for the debuff, im almost out of the door anyways, only game in my mind lousier than this one was dc comics, but not by much. The only redeeming quality of this game was the pvp, or i should say the chance for a pug vs pug match (very fun) but, once again the greedy gear hogging premade nasties have taken over and sucked what little fun to be had right out of the game. Yes i blame dummies as well. Never the quitters though, we/I refuse to be farmed by you nasties, about ready to turn the game over to you guys. Enjoy the really, really long ques fellas, youve won !

Im astonished at how bad this game is, really. That post nails it exactly, not sure how anyone can argue. I love star wars, but man i cant believe it would be possible to screw a star wars mmo, this bad. Im trying to hang in there, i really am. I like pvp...but im on my last legs here.

Gave up.

game is quite boring, im kicking back watching a bond flick, planned on logging for some pvp, but i just cant bring myself to logon anymore. Be lucky to get one decent match in between 10 premade poundings has wore my will down. This is the fastest that the boredom set in in an mmorpg for me, dc comics a close second. I usually make it six months or so, maybe just getting burned out the tired run down un original genre altogether.

Im hoping for the penelty and soon, its the reason i quit rift effortlessly, no way in hell i get farmed by premades getting thier easy stuff. I like pvp in the first few months of mmos generally because theres no gear yet, no premades and unknowns, makes matches fun, thats what i look for in a game, i play the gear chase very grudgingly only to keep up with others. Once all the premades take thier game back, and you lose at a rate when you know youll never catch up, its time to move on, the funs over. I dont want to be on a premade, i find it extremely boring, like playing monopoly, being the banker and taking money whenever i feel like it. Very sad sw tor had some potential but the pvp fun was over in like a month, shortest in all the mmos i played.

Cool story brah u mad or steaming

the devs will never stop coddling the premade cowardly type, funny how they say casuals get stuff free, is there anything more free and effortless than a premade beating up pugs nonstop ? Differences iver noticed in pugs vs premades: A pug fights to the death when 4 are attacking him. A premade runs like a baby if he is losing one on one. premade bads hop and hop lol, run around pillers doing no damage waiting for several of his premades to save him, premades hover near health boxes. etc etc etc... Thats the problem with premades - effortless, cowardly gameplay. Oh ya ill prlly get another smack on the wrist for saying people play coward like just like i got dinged for saying someone whining about the water nerf was a crybaby, but ya know what bioware...im gone anyways so coddle yer peeps more.

Zero entertainment and one of the worst communities ive come across so far in an mmo.

Not a bad idea but doesnt change the fact that 15 minutes of a premade farming is too miserable to deal with, penelty doesnt do anything as usually after multiple brutal beatings i just want to log anyways.

lol, the endpoint of deserter debuff is canceled subscriptions...in rift the facerolling got so bad i still afked, i would log out the game for longer and longer periods of time until i bceame totally disinterested. Thats what you premades dont get you want us for your farm phests and us pugs just simply dont want to play with you. pugs vs pugs is loads of fun in any game, its very sad that this genre of games has been reduced to predators chasing people out of the game. all in the blind pursuit of gear. The genre is dying out, people are getting sick of that formula.

Troll is a troll

they will cry rivers about this, the mentality of this kind of player doesnt want to risk the loss or have to try, the whole idea behind premades is to stack the deck every way possible and they count that thier stacked deck is against people who cant compete. They will kick and stomp and deny to the end, but it is what it is. They are equally the same as the afk ers, because you can bet if they got farmed the would afk as surely as they run from a one on one fight. Funny because these guys make fun of casuals wanting 'free stuff' yet thats exactly why these guys do what they do to get free stuff lol.

pvp in this game sucks miserably nothing but an elite farm/gear ****fest.

Oh and the real answer is to set up 2 different ques...one for premades and one for pugs. Pugs are really fun, premades are not ...thats the difference im quing for the fun and unknowns as opposed to being guarenteed a loss before i hit the que button. You shouldnt be rewarded for stacking the deck purposely preying on lower leveled lesser geared non vented smucks getting easy mode gear, period. Oh and lol @ the 'why penelize people because they want to play with thier friends' crowd. Cmon man, no one buys that crap,all you want is easy, hasslefree gear. Pre-lames.

Lol, greeeeat idea ...in a month there would be nothing but you premades left sitting in a que with nothing to do but mouth breathe in vent waiting for your sheep to que.