The SWTOR FB page has 3 waves listed as already having gone out today. Waiting on the 4th.

Check the launcher.

Why three more? They usually do 4, they have done 3. Therefore, they would only need two more waves to satisfy their claim.

Some people on SWTOR's FB page said they got in and they pre-ordered on the 19th. Who knows the validity of these claims, though.

There will be at least two more waves.

People on FB are saying they got in up to the 19th of November. With multiple waves on the way, I wouldn't give up hope just yet.

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Relax, i'm 11/28, too. They're doing more waves today than previously and "10/28 - 11/8" was just the second.

He contradicts himself and Bioware, a lot.

Stephen Reid has said that the numbers on VGChartz are generally wrong.

I've seen people on the October board getting in from up to the 28th already.

People: stop forgetting about OCTOBER, ffs. People from Oct. 13th are just now getting their e-mails. Relax.

You'd be better off doing that regardless.

No, he was talking about a specific pre-order fee that is listed as such in the invoice. Unless you were charged 20 dollars for this and not the 5 dollars everyone else was billed, then your application of "his logic" is wrong. deposit =/= pre-order fee

Except, that's not their logic.

Not the launcher itself; although I thought that's what they called it. The Origin app or whatever it is. I had it left over from when the Battlefield 3 beta was out and I saw they were taking SWTOR pre-orders, so I clicked on it and purchased my pre-order through there.

I don't know if you're referring to me, but that has nothing to do with my argument.

Try using the Origin launcher. Not the website. I can clearly see that none of that information is readily available no matter how many different ways you all try to spin it. I'll reiterate: having to "do research" is also not "abundantly clear."

Oh, so you mean the fine print I already read was worthless and what I really needed to do was dig for the right link to click on so that it could become apparent!? Yeah, stop reaching. You're just making your position look worse. Try looking at the launcher, where I actually bought the game and not the website.

You "fail to see how much clearer they could have been?" Really? I shouldn't have to camp "the official website since July 21st" to get pertinent information. How about mentioning maybe just one of the restrictions of early access where I purchased the game. Which was through their very own store-front. It was not abundantly clear; you either put too much stock in hyperbole or don't know what words like "clear" and "abundant" mean.

That's fine, the person I originally quoted was using those words, though. I was merely debating this nonsense that everyone is acting like BW has been very clear and straight-forward about this. They haven't. Period.

So, what you're saying is: for one to have "clearly" understood what they were getting, one would have to assume the need to refer to multiple sources of fine print? Yeah, that's fair and not vague or misleading at all.

You guys are reaching.

It doesn't say that on mine and i'm using the Origin launcher. Which is what I purchased the game through. I love how typically cocksure and pretentious you fanboys are, though. Try again. Here, i'll do it for you: "Pre-Order Now for Early Game Access! Limited Quantities available!" "Pre-Order Exclusive: Early Game Access Color Stone (Virtual Item)" "*PRE-ORDER OFFER EXPIRES WHEN PRODUCT RELEASES. CODE EXPIRES DECEMBER 31, 2012. GOOD ONLY FOR NEW PURCHASES OF "STAR WARS: THE OLD REPUBLIC" ("PRODUCT"). VALID ONLY AT PARTICIPATING RETAILERS. CODE WILL BE EMAILED WITH CONFIRMATION OF OFFER AND MAY NOT BE SUBSTITUTED, EXCHANGED, TRADED, SOLD OR REDEEMED FOR CASH OR OTHER GOODS OR SERVICES. VALID WHEREVER PRODUCT IS SOLD. MAY NOT BE COMBINED WITH ANY OTHER OFFER, GIFT CARD, REBATE OR DISCOUNT COUPON. VOID WHERE PROHIBITED, TAXED OR RESTRICTED BY LAW. ACCEPTANCE OF END USER ACCESS AND LICENSE AGREEMENT, PERSISTENT INTERNET CONNECTION, ACCOUNT REGISTRATION (13+ TO REGISTER), PAID SUBSCRIPTION AND VALID PAYMENT METHOD REQUIRED TO ACCESS GAMEPLAY. ONLINE DOWNLOAD OF THE PRODUCT REQUIRES ACCEPTANCE OF ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT AND INSTALLATION OF ORIGIN APPLICATION SOFTWARE (http://WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT). EULAS AND DISCLOSURES CAN BE FOUND AT http://WWW.EA.COM/1/PRODUCT-EULAS. ENTITLEMENT TO EARLY ACCESS IS CONTINGENT ON THE DATE OF YOUR PRE-ORDER AND THE RELEASE DATE OF THE PRODUCT. SEE PRE-ORDER FAQ'S AT http://WWW.SWTOR.COM/PREORDER/FAQ FOR DETAILS. PAYMENT METHOD AGE RESTRICTIONS MAY APPLY. SWTOR ONLINE SERVICE MAY BE RETIRED AFTER 90 DAYS NOTICE POSTED ON http://WWW.SWTOR.COM. AGREEMENT TO SHARE ACCOUNT INFORMATION WITH LUCASFILM ENTERTAINMENT COMPANY LTD. ("LUCASFILM") IS REQUIRED. PRIVACY POLICY AND TERMS OF SERVICE AVAILABLE AT http://WWW.SWTOR.COM. THE FIRST 30 DAYS OF SUBSCRIPTION IS INCLUDED IN THE PURCHASE INFO OF THE PRODUCT. SUBSCRIPTIONS MAY BE CANCELLED AT ANY TIME. SEE http://WWW.SWTOR.COM FOR DETAILS. PRE-ORDER QUANTITIES LIMITED. **YOUR CARD WILL BE CHARGED A PRE-ORDER FEE. THE BALANCE WILL BE CHARGED TO YOUR CARD WHEN THE GAME IS RELEASED. If you have questions, please see our pre-order FAQ. VALID CREDIT CARD OR PAID GAME CARD (IF AVAILABLE), INTERNET CONNECTION AND PAID SUBSCRIPTION REQUIRED TO PLAY GAME. 30-DAY SUBSCRIPTION INCLUDED WITH PURCHASE. ACCEPTANCE OF END USER ACCESS AND LICENSE AGREEMENT (“EUALA”), PERSISTENT INTERNET CONNECTION, AND ACCOUNT REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED ONE-TIME USE SERIAL CODE REQUIRED TO PLAY. MUST BE 13+ TO REGISTER. SERIAL CODE IS NON-TRANSFERABLE ONCE USED. PAID SUBSCRIPTION AND VALID PAYMENT METHOD REQUIRED TO PLAY. ONLINE DOWNLOAD OF THE PRODUCT REQUIRES ACCEPTANCE OF ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT (“EULA”) AND INSTALLATION OF ORIGIN APPLICATION SOFTWARE (http://WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT). EUALA, EULA AND DISCLOSURES CAN BE FOUND AT http://WWW.EA.COM/1/PRODUCT-EULAS. PAYMENT METHOD AGE RESTRICTIONS MAY APPLY. SWTOR ONLINE SERVICE MAY BE DISCONTINUED. SEE EUALA FOR DETAILS. AGREEMENT TO SHARE ACCOUNT INFORMATION WITH LUCASFILM ENTERTAINMENT COMPANY LTD. (“LUCASFILM”) IS REQUIRED. GAME INTENDED FOR PLAY ONLY WITHIN NORTH AMERICA AND EUROPE. PRIVACY POLICY AND TERMS OF SERVICE AVAILABLE AT http://WWW.SWTOR.COM. ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS TO PLAY THE GAME APPLY AT ALL TIMES. THE FIRST 30 DAYS OF SUBSCRIPTION FEES ARE INCLUDED IN THE PURCHASE PRICE OF THE PRODUCT. SUBSCRIPTIONS MAY BE CANCELLED AT ANY TIME. SEE http://WWW.SWTOR.COM FOR DETAILS. EA MAY PROVIDE CERTAIN INCREMENTAL CONTENT AND/OR UPDATES FOR NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE, IF AND WHEN AVAILABLE." The words "up to" and "may" are never included in the same sentence as "early access."

I challenge you to find where it says that on the Origin launcher store page, anywhere. Here's a hint: you won't find it.