This post serves as an informative post on those who are unaware as to why queue times are so high. Here is the #1 reason: THERE ARE NO TANKS Because SWTOR is a straight up copy of World of Warcraft in terms of mechanics, which pretty much started the entire automated grouping thing, it's plagued with the exact same problem World of Warcraft, and RIFT (also, surprise surprise, a clone of World of Warcraft), exhibits. Tanks get "instant-queue" (that is, they do not have to wait at all for a group) and everybody else needs to wait. Healers generally wait much less than DPS. DPS, on the other hand, will wait forever because everyone and their mother plays DPS. So, the solution for you? ROLL A TANK. The solution for BIoWare? Stop copying World of Warcraft's mechanics, or more specifically, the "Holy Trinity" and make your own stuff up.

Been unsubbed since I got the game 2 weeks in. So did 5 other friends that I bought the game for. I feel like an idiot for buying them a piece of **** for Christmas.

Whiny nerds whining? The quote that is.

Funny, we can actually blame World of Warcraft for this. WoW implemented, finally, after years and years (even prior to WoW) of ninja looting *******, a system that only allowed classes in respective specs to roll on items associated with said specs/classes. Now SWTOR comes out using the old system and gets screwed.

Final Fantasy XI was the same way as well. This is why I never understood why people called World of Warcraft a "clone" of Everquest. Prior to the era of WoW, leveling was done by camps. Quests were...well, you had to do a lot of google, get lost, and probably die 6 million times.

Do I seriously need to rip the OP a new one again?

Don't associate skill with turnbased MMO combat ever again: GCD and swingtimers effectively make the game turnbased Final Fantasy style using an "Active" battle mode.

MMORPG players, generally, are too *********** stupid to realize this.

Actually no, you're incredibly stupid. CBR600RR GSXR600 YZF-R6 ZX-6R All of these are 600 CC sport bikes, they're all nearly identical. They also all came out at different time intervals. Triumph came out with their Daytona 675R some time a few years ago and managed to match all 4 of the Japanese superbikes. You think anyone's gonna buy a new 600cc sports if it comes out lacking "standard" features? **** no. You think MMOs are any different? People aren't stupid, YOU'RE STUPID.

Why is WoW beating the **** out of every other MMORPG right now?

Round 1 FIGHT Why have I not seen many "yellow" posts besides ones where someone gets their thread locked? Why does Blizzard forums have many more blue posts? We we no has free day for this retarded maintenance time? Why is it snowing in Ontario? I would like to ride my motorcycle.

ATI or nVidia? Swear to God this is happening with mostly ATI users?

Depends how the game implements them but you are correct for almost all games. Macros are like...a really really easy scripting language, and seeing as how people trouble with differentiating between CSS and HTML (and why use both), I'm not surprised ppl don't understand what macros are.

After playing SWTOR, went back to WoW. Same thing happened when I played RIFT, why play a clone when you can play the real thing. Will likely cancel WoW next month though, lots of good games coming out from Japan =D

What do you know about GPU hardware implementation, drivers, and interfaces/interfacing between computers? Sounds like you just read something off the internet and think you know something. You don't know ****, don't post garbage like this. And @ whoever said the eye sees 24 FPS, same to you. No wonder I make so much money off people when some of you actually believe in the false crap floating around the net + word of mouth.

Seriously, EA, **** you.

It isn't the quest thing. Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX, X, and XII were linear with a story but there were many things to do on the side. The in XII felt massive, similar to Final Fantasy XI. This topic was brought up to me today when my gf and I went out with her family to dinner. She suddenly popped up and said "Wow, I know why I prefer WoW over SWTOR, the zones are like this restaurant we're in, they're compact and have everything, compared to WoW which is a forest". Granted WoW was her first MMO, she still prefers Aion. Though I won't lie, she brought up a really good point. SWTOR's zones are just as linear as the quests themselves...which in turn makes the game feel the same as Final Fantasy XIII. Simplicity is sometimes bad when it's dumbed down to an on-rails adventure, which is exactly what this and XIII felt like.

I think it's just a clash of generations. I REALLY hated FFXIII because it was putting me to sleep. And you had to look really deeply into the combat system to find ways to actually understand (or abuse lol) the mechanics. This game seems to have those exact problems. The mass majority hated Final Fantasy XIII, there are a few who liked it but there is a reason why XIII-2 is being made similar to 10 and 12 more than 13. I have a feeling that's why this game is also being bashed on.

Final Fantasy XII vs Final Fantasy XIII This game is the same reason why everyone hated on FFXIII (except for the mass number of people who hated Hope). This game is linear like a straight line, with zones that compliment that.

Not really, look at Warhammer's combat, clearly influenced from WoW. Back in DAOC days, games either copied Lineage or Everquest...skill spamming was not something people normally did outside of parties (at least not in any of the games I played, I never played Western MMOs till WoW came out).

Gonna have to agree with this guy. In Rift, they at least tried to change some aspects of the combat talent trees using the soul system. SWTOR's talent progression is literally copy and paste from World of Warcraft x patches ago. When I saw that, that made me want to quit the game. They could have done ANYTHING, why the hell blatantly copy from a successful game?

I wasn't the one who noticed the community actually, because I normally love trolling. My gf was the one who noticed it and told me that the community was somehow worse than WoW's (might be because on WoW we mainly stuck with real life friends)...and then off we went back to WoW.

That's what I'm thinking as well. Though I think RIFT was still a success in a business POV; at least according to most articles I read and when compared to Age of Conan or Warhammer.

And why did you quit? I quit due to the community. SWTOR's community looks awfully similar lol

And I was a 8 year old protege saving soldiers during world war II with a medical license. Your welcome, you wouldn't have American if it weren't for me. Oh, and I've got 10 children, want one?