Kaos, the link you provided shows an incomplete build. Aiden, I think it honestly is a toss up if you have the points for your build either you add the additional focus or you decrease the cooldown timer the point can be moot. You are reaping the benefit of smoothing your rotation out by modifying Sundering Strike. This is my GP build. http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-calculator/guardian/17/?build=020000000000000000000000000000000322002221220031012203200300010003202001000000000000000000000000&ver=20 I don't take the additional focus in Defense simply because with the new passive, hitting a target with Sundering Strike and getting hit will generate any focus needed, add to that the refund on focus from Shien form will continue to assist with focus generation. There maybe a question as to why I don't take Force Rush, as it currently stands my Blade Storm is already hitting pretty hard and with the additional DoT from Burning Blade, that increases the number of chances I have to proc Keening. Between that and the other DoTs plus Master Strike, fights are rarely as long as one might think and once Bolster is truly fixed and things are back on an even keel, the damage output should be even more.

That 75% - 90% is not always the case, the only consistent damage reduction comes from guard and that's the 5% that is placed on the guarded target. That mitigation does not apply to the tank. That is why all the people who have responded to you say kill the tank. If the healer he is guarding is nearby and you are able to interrupt the heal cast then you have just possibly been able to keep both players busy while you call for help. Intelligent discussions are always helpful to any gameplay that is out there, but I have to be honest with you, reading all your post, it seems you are projecting a scenario that is only possible for 22 seconds followed by a 3 minute cooldown on the abilities that only apply to a Guardian/Jugg where their mitigation can get up to 90%. So if you can last those 22 seconds you then can blow the tank out of the water then focus the healer. There are techniques that can be used to take on a healer/tank combo and if you are a team of people playing pvp then you can take advantage of them. If you are a lone player trying to kill two people then it will come down to a battle of numbers, and last I checked 2 will always beat 1 if if one of the 2 dies first.

So lets look at Vanguard, when they are using their tank stance type ability (Ion Cell) using your numbers that's that same 13 - 17% additional damage reduction..., add in the talent if you are going up the defense tree you can increase that to 15 - 19%. In addition you can increase your shield chance by 12% and your armor rating by 16%, that last sentence doesn't even require you to be using Ion Cell. So no I don't think it would be unreasonable to give us that one talent from Vigilance into the defense tree just for a 4% Endurance increase.

So interesting that a BW mod hasn't moved this to the appropriate form. Might get more suggestions there at the classes form instead of simply putting a post here in the pvp realm.

1) Thing with the Vigilance tree is that if you are using the Shien Lightsaber Form, your abilities refund 1 focus back after the ability is used, so while it may seem that as the dots tick you are gaining focus, it is actually a result of the lightsaber form. 2) Couldn't agree more, if you are in the vigilance tree, Force Rush is a must have. I have a hybrid tanking build, taking the damage reduction talents from vigilance and warding call from the defense tree and even while in Soresu form I am able to nearly get 3k dispatches. Current Build: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#500cMG0uZhGrMMhdzMM.1

Why do you care, didn't you unsubb?

To many games have had their PVP ruined by trying to appease those who prefer to primarily PVE, but get blown to bits because they only occasionally want to participate in PVP, and think because they are all that they should be able to do whatever they want. Expertise clearly gives you the player the opportunity to experience both sides of the game whether it be PVP or PVE. If you want to PVP wear your expertise gear. If you want to PVE, wear the gear with the stats that are much better for the arena you are playing in. It's that simple. Some people don't want to raid at all in a game and simply enjoy the competition of going against other players, and for that they are rewarded with the ability to enhance their gear with expertise. Everyone wants to be able to see the progression they make whether it is with the gear they get or titles. In this game, both are accessible. If you don't like expertise so much then don't buy anything with it, but don't try to shaft a percentage of the playerbase simply because you don't want to work at getting the rewards from playing the PVP portion of the game. And the constant argument that pvp should be "skill based and not geared base". How about next WZ you go into you strip off all your gear and run around naked killing people to show off your "superior" skill. And if you are so good that you don't die and you can contribute in a significant way, then I might buy your argument.

Bye

Is anyone else having the website show up strangely in Google Chrome?

So BW told everyone yesterday that they were in the process of figuring out how to more adequately implement the fixes they were going to deploy. But instead, people who are so impatient for what they want ignored the warning and are now still pitching a hissy fit because the things that have been acknowledged as broken are no different then before. God Please ****, people who have played MMOs and know that things happen and that if we are patient we will get rewarded are simply going to enjoy the game more because you are gone. You obviously think that telling someone not to play is going to stop them. Especially when they get marketed to and have other friends who may play and tell them how fun it is. FACT: PVP is one part of this game, not the entire game. FACT: Ilum is one planet in the entire game. FACT: Ilum is not the only option you have for participating in PVP. Some of you folks really need to pull your heads from your rears and try to have fun instead of being such whiny brats.

You know what, for all you folks whining about PVP and Ilum, it is your own fault. Think about this, yes BW has internal testers that go through and play to find bugs, but if you all will remember, there is a Public Test Server. If half of you people sitting here rage quitting about this had spent half your time on the PTS trying out the content and seeing if it was possible to do what made it to live, the update probably would have been postponed even further. Don't go blaming Bioware when you yourself had an opportunity to play the new content on the test server, but were to lazy because you didn't want to take the time to either level a character or if your character got copied, to take it over to Ilum, find the bug and then report it. Shame on all you whiny kids, knee jerk reacting kids.

People constantly make post like this, but don't take advantage of the fact that they have access to the same gear as the rest of us, they just don't want to put in the time because they consider themselves to casual. Well hey here's any idea, whether you use comms or complete the daily/weekly quest you are still getting the rewards you just have to decide whether it is a big deal to you whether or not you are dying. PERIOD!

You are forgetting, you also get to play WITH 50s. Those same people who "rushed" to 50 are also on the same side as you so don't get the idea in your head that every 50 in the game is against some of you folks. Again, a lot of people are simply not thinking about the fact that they are shortchanging themselves. But whatever, those who think do, those who can't cancel their subs.

Except in a year when/if BW introduces expertise gear at a lower level then 50, and people in the 10 - 49, or 10 - 20, etc bracket are getting face rolled he'll still come back crying about how expertise should be disabled even though EVERYONE would be able to have access to the same gear. Again I say please just leave, these forums are going to do nothing but get congested with this dribble for as long as he stays around and if it turns out he ends up spamming because no one pays attention to him, then gets banned, he will have accomplished nothing.

Bye OP, the game will be much better without you because that's one less person who's whining will not ruin this game. Not a fanboi, but I realize that there are things that must be worked for and if I want to step into the same arena and have the same rewards as other players who put in the time and effort, there is a period where I am going to be fresh meat. GET OVER IT!!!!..., Having an all 50 bracket won't fix anything, and really instead you are handicapping players who may have just gotten to the point where they can get into warzones and want to pvp with their friends who have been playing the game a while. What do you say to those people? To bad, you should have bought the game sooner? Anyway, I digress..., as I said, goodbye, and can I have your stuff?