Everyone using the armor difference as reason for the sages being sickeningly more powerful needs to look at reality. 5 to 10% difference in armor does NOT make up the difference in healing power right now. Sages are overpowered compared to the others REGARDLESS of armor types. Also, in case the whole vanish thing pops up again for smugglers/operatives as a bonus....its not really useful for a heal spec. 10 seconds where your heals do -0- healing is not something you can afford. Anyone saying bubbles are powerful either dont know how to use them effectively, or are just ignoring the power they have. Being able to cast it BEFORE damage comes in, and have it mitigate it before its ever taken is so much more powerful than any heal or HoT is right now.

The patch notes said nothing about gaining force without losing health. It said you cant "game" that by stopping the cast on the channeled heal for free nobles AND keeping the buff for one of the other benefits from it. A normal played sage will not notice that difference at all. I also havent seen anything about a 4 person limit on sage AOE. Its always been 8 and still is and still will be as far as i know.

I agree that the other healers should be brought up to the level of the sages. However, sometimes a dev team looks at a situation like this and goes the other direction, with the overpowered class being brought down to the level of the others. As is right now, a scoundrel or a commando CAN heal everything in game, so if sage is nerfed down, they to CAN do it. It will just be as hard on them as it is on the others now. Personally I think it would cause a healer shortage, cause sages are SO used to be overpowered at this point that a nerf would be the bad way to go, so a boost to the others is the only way out. This in turn raises the prospect of all current content being even easier than it is now. So its a balancing act, they may do some slight nerfs and some big boosts to try to even everything out. If sages had been on par with the other healers out of the gate I dont think we would be having this problem now. Everyone would be used to how healing worked and no one could see how easy sages have it and feel ripped off.

Having my sage at 50, and playing both smuggler and commando types up to 40's I think I can say with a fair amount of certainty that there is a serious problem with the healing. I just dont know how BW let the development get done with it being in the shape it is, and having a straight face when saying "scoundrels/operatives are fine" I prefer the scoundrel. I like the whole package, from attitude to looks to having stealth. They desperately need a few things done. Sages may need nerfed just to keep balance otherwise, and thats NOT really a bad thing for long term health of the game, since something has to give one way or the other. As it stands now, sages have 2 direct heals (the only thing really balanced about them compared to the other healers), one HoT, one AoE, one channeled heal AND a bubble. Nothing can compare to that. The other classes need things added or sages need something taken away. Period. I would prefer things added, and subsequent content balanced around having 3 strong healers, but if thats not possible....nerf away. If diagnostic scan fpr scoundrels was changed to have 9 second cool down, and heal as much as the sage channeled heal it would be a good start. If emergency medpac is REALLY the scoundrels "burst" heal it should be a bigger amount healed, to compare it more to the totally OP bubble. Sages never worry about force. I know people "claim" they have to monitor when to use noble sacrifice and balance out the GCD blah blah blah. I can say with no qualms its bull. Once your all talented up, even if you need to burst heal your heart out as long as you resume your standard rotation before your under 30% or so, your just fine. Scoundrels are locked into not only an energy system but a varied regen speed also. Take away the varied speed. Rebalace energy costs, cooldowns and other stuff to compensate....but take it away. That will go a long way to rebalance the disparity. Ammo/heat should get the same treatment. Sages have it easy for tracking regen and procs also. There isnt really ANYTHING to keep track of aside from watching your heals to see that crit on your channeled heal so you can noble for your force, which most healers do anyway. Compared to upper hand tracking for scoundrels its night and day. The 'giggle' helps somewhat but its not as clear as SEEING the crit heal and knowing its there. You have to look at the tiny buff icons all the time, making sure you have 2 and not 1 so your healing output doesn't drop by a chunk by using the 1 you always need to keep for bonus heal percent. Keeping 2 stacks up for pugnacity and EMP when needed isnt really hard, its just overly tedious compared to the cake walk sages have. If upper hand lasted 30 seconds, and refreshed the timer for each charge dropping off and stacked to 3 it would be less of a chore to deal with, also a UI element for tracking would be awesome. Anything but the teeny tiny buff icon. I wont even touch the AOE heal thing, since even trained monkeys can point out with sign language that they know sages are so overpowered in that department its not even funny. Kolto clound needs to hit more people, and be changed...which it sounds like in 1.2 it will be. TL;DR The only way sages are balanced compared to the rest of the healers is in the direct heals, and I think BW has tunnel vision about them. They see that, and think its fine. Get some employees who play scoundrel/operative or merc/commando healers full time on your dev team stat BW. You really need them.

Yes you might be the only one who thinks this is wrong....by being healed your able to kill MORE people, ergo, that healer HELPED YOU KILL THEM. I know, I know....its hard to wrap your head around it. Logic can be tough sometimes.

This thread takes the prize on these forums for the most stupid topic and "I must find something to complain about today" that this games forums is famous for. Anyone following the forums KNEW duel spec was coming at some point, and some people will have 2 heal specs (pvp and pve) and some people will have 2 tanking sets (pvp and pve) just like some DPS will have the same. Just because you DPS only doesn't mean you don't need 2 specs to do it (can you say single mob spec and trash AOE specs?) There are lots of times you might want 2. On the gear....there is ALREADY healing and DPS sets on the merchants for end game gear. Unless your playing a different game, a Healer sage and a DPS sage value different SECONDARY stats. True, both require willpower as primary stat, and you CAN DPS or heal in the opposing sets....its not optimal. Exactly the same as in WoW, Shadow priests or Disciple priests or Holy priests can wear the same gear, but each value different things to be the "best" at their job....hence why you have DPS and Heal sets, just like in THIS GAME.

Wow, you need to put down the mouse and keyboard and walk away from MMO gaming for good. This game has minimal down time to me, and I play during the hours its ALWAYS going down in. If your this roid-raged over the little down time here, seriously, walk away and find a new hobby....your cardiovascular system will thank you for saving it the stress.

Eh maybe I am in the minority but it seems "ok" to me. Maybe not the greatest, but usable and not totally "OMG I cant play at ALL" broken. Sometimes I think a bunch of the forum people could log in and find 10 million credits and a Twi'lek serving girl in their inbox and STILL complain about how BW didnt make the Twi'lek polka dotted with yellow eyes and it TOTALLY breaks the game.

All new MMO's go through a period of whining from some in the community but this is getting ridiculous. I swear I think Blizzard is PAYING people to complain on this forum or something. Even WoW had some of the SAME things said about it back in the day. But remember kiddies. WoW is the exception NOT the rule. No MMO will likely EVER be as big as WoW is. Its a giant super-fat hutt of a game that is so lazy and fond of itself that it will just sit there and grow till it eventually dies. No other game will hurt it. TOR doesnt NEED to be as big as WoW. Stop trying to compare everything to the mutant freak and instead compare it to every OTHER MMO out there. When you look at it like that, its all fine I think. WoW will go down in history as the biggest MMO. Blizzard can sleep good at night knowing it got that. Just take your WoWbation and go back to their forums. TOR will be just fine.

If everyone who was unhappy with this game just left and never visited the forums again.....it would be peaceful and the rest of us could just be happy reading and posting helpful things. I dont understand how people who are SO UNHAPPY with this game just keep hanging around the forums. Move on. Go your own way and find something else to be happy with. Ingame I never see people complaining, and my server is fairly busy....people are just playing and enjoying the game. The forums are always doom and gloom and omg this game is failing, but the lions share of the population just doesnt care.

What is this "dynamic server cap" your talking about? Server caps NOW are firm. They were firm before if I remember correctly, they were just set artificially low to force population spread. Now they are set normal. They dont move dynamically that I am aware of, but I could be wrong. Once lowered, no matter what, server statistics at that web site will drop. That's what they did, ergo, there is nothing to be gleaned from that information at this point. If we see another huge plummet there, THEN it might matter but at this point, we see what is expected.

There is one HUGE fact your overlooking when it comes to a site that measures server status from this site. Ready??? Back when game launched, we were all informed population loads were artificially set low to spread people out on servers, and then raised later. Meaning, what shows as Heavy TODAY, might have showed as FULL with a queue time when the cap was lower than it is now. Any site that measures and graphs based on that is informative, but in no means is it CAPABLE of showing population numbers, just general trends. The numbers are set on BW side, we have no idea what the caps are so its pointless to use that to show a decline. Based on what we know about those graphs and the information used to get them, even if we had a HUGE population increase they would show a decline, based on server population caps being raised.

You obviously didnt play on week one let alone day one. Anyone who did remembers the "free days" they added to every sub for MONTHS every time the servers crashed and burned. Some days you were waiting on them to come up more than you were actually playing on them lol. I remember how bad it was, and tons of people do as well. Its not some mysterious hidden fact....its well documented how AWFUL world of warcrafts launch was.

While on the surface I agree with you, this argument is NOT very valid for one reason....the game JUST came out. In 2 years time, if this is still the case its a problem. Yes its boring right now to roll an alt, but that means pick a main....and focus on it for a while. Do some alts when bored in down time and dont try to focus totally on them, leave a class for expansion time! No game can ship with mulitple valid quest zones all the way to level cap with as much time and care that went into this games quests. Give it some time is all.

I just dont know what to say to everyone about Walmart. I got EXTREMELY lucky the other day during the small window when Amazon had CE back up for ordering and snagged one with .99 cent delivery, and it arrived today around noon. The relief I felt at finally having it was NOTHING compared to the absolute JOY of calling Walmart, telling them I wanted my order canceled and what HORRIBLE customer service I had to deal with over this whole fiasco. To everyone who is still fighting with Walmart, you have my sympathy while you keep struggling to get your CE box. 2 day grace period will help a fair bit of you at least, I just wish it could be fixed somehow for everyone.

and Bioware says its all up to walmart. I just hate the he said/she said game so much. You never know who exactly is to blame for it

Well back when most of us preordered we were told and assured there was a grace period after early access when we could wait on shipping to input our game codes. I ordered from walmart with the security to KNOW it wouldnt matter if I didnt get my box till a few days after, even with the fastest shipping speed. Of course grace period got tossed and we got left to deal with it however we can.

What about people, like me, who pre-ordered digital then canceled it for a CE after imputing the early access code? I couldn't change my code or use my new one. I just hope this all settles down and something good comes of all this mess, and I dont get that bleeding ulcer I have been courting.

This has to be the most jacked up, stupid, insane product launch Walmart has ever done. They should be ashamed and I will never order with them again. That said, I still want my CE that I was ordered and was promised....and I want it on or before 12/20.

What?

my bank says it was pending from sunday, still not "actually" charged though and still not dropped off either.

what scares me, is Rockjaw retweeted his stuff, and commented on it....so I hope the Bioware gang doesnt think the problem is solved cause he said it was in this tweets. Just one more thing to worry about

Walmart employee who has access to "inhouse" customer service was posting on twitter the charges on the weekend were actually shipping charges, and the game was shipped. He seemed to really know what he was talking about....so I dont know what to think at this point http://twitter.com/#!/thebog1984

sinking feeling the charges will not charge, and the pending charge fall off like everyone else....and it didnt ship. I want to strangle someone over this mess I swear.

someone was saying on twitter that he was told if we had a billing during the weekend that meant it shipped FOR SURE and we should have it soon. I still have the pending charge on my CC, but no shipping information, and no updates on the walmart website showing shipped. I keep looking for FedEx just in case though