The only reason I resubbed to TOR, after leaving in March, was because there was nothing less boring in the MMORPG market. Now there is something a hell of a lot more fun available. So I see no reason to stay. That "other" game also highlighted just how out of touch BioWare's developers were. The differences between the two are staggering and... Wow, seriously, W.T.F. were the doctors thinking? Dallas and Rich told us about all the development problems TOR had but... Well, I guess they just didn't "get it" when it came to MMORPG's. At least regarding what most of their potential customers actually wanted.

I think it would be more accurate to say that this game has already lost people. Even just at its current rate of decline it will be a failure in EA's own words before its even a year old. The game is good but just not good enough, to keep enough, wanting to play. For EA's tastes at least. I started up another MMORPG Friday and the differences between these two games are staggering. Different strokes for different folks and all that but, wow. TOR ended up being another example that how much time you take, people you hire, or money you spend, just doesn't matter in the end. The game, so to speak, is the thing. If your design isn't good enough then the rest doesn't matter.

I've done the space missions a few times out of boredom but they are just not very engaging at all. BioWare had their chance and blew it. They should focus on what they've got instead of waste time on space content that won't bring anyone back anyway.

Personally I suspect this is just a prologue to the Chevin and Gree becoming the new bad guy later. I find myself thinking that, no matter how sacrilegious, the Empire and Republic may have a common enemy in the Chevin and Gree with new content.

Well if there is anybody they should be copying, it should probably be Turbine. Copying WoW and WAR certainly didn't work out too well.

Seriously, does Matt have any experience with MMORPG's?

There do appear to be "issues" with TOR's servers again. I noticed odd lag spikes and loading issues.

qft...

Seriously? Isn't it a little late for that? Depending on how much it really cost to make and sell this game, EA has probably already broken even at least. So they've pretty much already won, sort of.

Because its not Steam, its Origin?

Probably still up in the air. November man, november.

Its happens all the time in many industries. Overworked folks with too little time, and not enough oversight, will check off something as done when it actually wasn't.

Now now, you should know as well as I do that if she answered that question honestly she would probably be the next one out the door. Not saying she won't be anyway once the forum is moved to social.bioware.com, but no need to tempt her into terminating her contract early.

Yeah, I loved the Massassi warriors from the Dark Horse comics. Was surprised, back then, that BioWare didn't see how popular they might be.

Well EA had to do something. At TOR's rate of loss they'll drop below their own proclaimed "break even" point less than three months from now. At that point TOR will have failed, in their own words. They had to do something, and when the choice is between spending tens of millions more trying to "fix" the game, with no guarantees that it would even work, or changing the revenue model to one that lets them squeeze the ones already willing to pay even more? Would you seriously expect EA to choose the former?

Indeed, it would have been a great chance to pimp their upcoming F2P conversion. Yeah they might have caught a lot of flak but, if its that big of a problem for them then they shouldn't have made the game to begin with. Personally I figure it was part of EA laying off staff and likely slashing Austin's budget along with it. The money just isn't there anymore.

That one got me laughing.

True, but still probably the best way to handle it.

Meh... BioWare took their shot and missed. Just another developer that thought adding their own spice to WoW's recipe would be a winning combination. Just another developer that discovered they were wrong. Maybe these developers will figure it out someday but after six years of this? I wouldn't hold my breath.

Yeah, given the loss of staff and changing revenue model? I wouldn't count on anything "major" getting done anytime soon. We'll probably get a surge of content for the F2P launch in November but... Pretty much everything is a wait and see right now. F2P is more about squeezing more money out of the ones already willing to pay than actually "fixing" the reasons three-fourths of their customers left.

Its a shame that the game won't be represented but given its continuing plunge it doesn't come as any surprise. Sad, but hardly unexpected.

Meh... Didn't they end up moving the WAR forum to social.bioware.com? They'll probably do the same thing with this one. What sections will it have once its there? Your guess is as good as mine.

This place was toxic enough when plenty were still paying to play. It would become downright acidic if BioWare let anyone who created an account post. With the bare bones mod coverage as it is, this forum would become a spam site.

On this side of the pond, NA, I think we are down to twelve "open" servers. So if you don't see folks then transfer to another server.

Meh... I left back in early March because I was bored and then came back recently because I was more bored. Now I'm leaving again because I'v found something else less boring. The game is just too linear and too short. BioWare kept saying they were adding story as a fourth pillar and instead it plays like they stole marble from the other three to make it. I don't hate this game. I feel more sorry for it than anything else. It had so much potential but BioWare just didn't "get it." Of course some people like what BioWare made. It takes all kinds to make a world. Of course it comes as no surprise, given this game's design, that no where near enough, like it enough, to pay to play it. Hopefully we'll get another great MMORPG someday but TOR certainly wasn't it.