As the title says, a big thank you Artorias & Aelanis, for being so helpful with our favorite class and of course to anybody who supports this community. I'm reading almost every thread and you guys are there for anyone who needs assistance, especially to the shadow/assassin new breeds without showing off any "i'm a pro" attitude (in a bad way). Keep up the good work!

Yeap that's the one i was talking about

2/31/8 deception, my personal favorite since launch. I also have tried madness in wz and i was always on the top 3 damagers.

I 've seen a 9000 maul hit not long ago. Nice dmg though.

So as it seems i am not the only one having this bad experience. It's a pitty and i hope some imp players to realise this.

So what about if we change the rules a little bit and start attacking on each others bases like its done on pvp servers? Or arrange a massive pvp event on Ilum?

Why don't you transfer it here to continue building on it? It would be a great thread for all of us.

Please someone tell me why the imperial teams on the Red Eclipse server are not fighting at all and standing all together to a nod doing nothing? I quitted playing wz's a couple of months now due to this behavior.

Didn't knew this, thanks for the info. Hope a good guide to be made for pve too.

For a few months i was running 0/27/14 for pve having a lot of fun, but something was always bothering me. This something was that i couldn't proc induction with death field or discharge without hitting thrash (which i hate to use) and also it was frustrated to wait for the long cooldowns of df and discharge so bye bye burst. Eventually when i decided to do some tests myself, i ended up to the conclusion that i was not only loosing burst but also was loosing damage too. So in order to see if its something going wrong or its just me, i tried some parses on the ops dummy using waka's 0/27/14 spec and the 2/31/8 chain shock for 7min on the first one and 10min on the second one. This is what i found out: With the 0/27/14 spec I used 80 times thrash, causing 43.438 total damage and having 542,98 avg damage. I used 24 times DF, causing 44.614 total damage and having 1.858,92 avg damage. With the 2/31/8 spec I used 238 times VS, causing 143.330 total damage and having 602,23 avg damage. Plus that with this spec i had more dps in total and faster discharge cooldown due to 2 points on recirculation. Even if the parse was in 7min like the other one, it wouldn't matter. Again VS would cause much more damage than both DF and thrash together. As it seems VS is essential not only to sustain your burst damage, but it also causes much more damage in total and procs and stacks induction immediately and always. All this time i wanted to believe that death field was op against voltaic slash and i was so WRONG. Please do some parses on your own and share your results. Once more i must say that pve is my interest so for pve was my tests. Maybe for pvp it works different i don't know. P.S. Adding 2 points on entropic field stacks with sith defiance or not?

This week i switched from deception to madness for the first time since i started swtor and the results are amazing. I am on the top 3 players in damage in every wz.

I'll give it a try also. If possible please quote a rotation for this buid.

So i did a 14min run on the dummy, using the best rotation and abilities (recklessness-overcharge saber-relic-blackout) and giving my best effort. All i got was a max 768,80 dps and a lot of frustration. My build is the 2-31-8 chain shock, wearing full recruit stalker's gear. Below you will find 2 links with the result and on the first one you can have a look on my rotation too. http:///www.torparse.com/a/49476 http://dpsmeter.com/tack0tape

As i am paying to play this game, for me is the same as i am paying to eat in a restaurant. If i find the food horrible then i'll demand to fix it and not "contributing" helping the cooker with his recipe. That's that.

Use discharge on every cd starting from the 1st stack. Every further stack is weaker that the previous.

So if we all deceptions sins want to do something, is to gather up and send bw a ticket they will never forget. We must DEMAND a deception fix SOON as they did with the marksmanship tree for the snipers. Let's send tickets in numbers this is the way.

The "undying" ablility...... Seriously, i would love to have the mind control like the jedi's did in the movies or to be able to throw any object on my opponents.

Super Inquisitors......up up and away.

That's right. Fortitude stims are way more valuable than resolve

2-31-8 chain shock deception spec for me with full stalker's gear and i love it. Don't even try to compare darkness with deception because its an entirely different approach. Hit and run like a ghost, pick your targets, know when to abandon, this is the deception style and its lethal.

I levelled mine to 50 all the way based on Deception spec only, having not to many problems. My companions were Khem and now Xalek, with some exceptions where i used Talos (almost only on bosses). It took me a while to understand how to play a dps assasin and especially with deception which in my opinion is a difficult spec, but when i did i was almost invincible. I use a lot stims/relics and everything that can give me a boost when i need it THE TIME THAT I NEED IT. Mind trap everything, blackout when ur energy is down, using force shroud not only on difficult times but also offensively to reset the dots and for me the mother of all things INTERRUPT THE BOSSES. When i fight a strong or elite i have my eyes stuck near his portrait to watch for any abilities in use, then i use jolt-low slash-overload to interrupt and finish him easily. Assasins burst damage hits like a truck if you do it right. Good luck. TIP: Darth Thanaton is a killer if you try to fight him with any other companion than Talos.

This is what i have in mind. I find engineering more interesting to begin with. Thanks for the tip.

Thank you all guys for the info. Now its clear to me which tree to build on.

Hello fellow snipers. I made my alt as a sniper and as i reached lvl 10 i have to choose my skil tree. Please share your experience of the differences between the trees to help me choose and i would be gratefull if you could share a link of a decent build. Thank you. P.S. Until lvl 50 i will do pve mostly with some wz.

I levelled mine from 10-50 based on deception spec. Tbh if was able to choose again for pve i would go madness due to its aoe ablilities which deception has not. With deception you don't just attack to a group of mobs, but you get them one by one each time using mind trap and your stealth abilities to prevail. Deception is the way for 1v1 like elites and strongs and i think Madness is a must for aoe/dot style of play. At the end is all about the style of play that is suitable for you.