It's upsetting me that Zoltan isn't answering my loaded question. Anyway, to dispel that ridiculous rumor of Yoda's feat being a control feat, here's actual context (I know right).

I disagree profusely.

Prove to me this was control, or blitzing. The passage literally says "his tread slow and measured." It seems far more like a telekinetic technique than anything, none of that passage whatsoever suggests he beat the **** out of them Shame even with the force imbalance that these are nowhere near Sidious' sense feats. Real shame. Did you seriously just try and use an accolade that says Yoda could only compete because of a superior knowledge, to prove they have equal force reserves/power?

This is the most retarded stuff I've read in a while. And I debate on KMC so that's an accomplishment and a half.

Which is a huge double standard. He's competed with Sidious in the sphere of Telekinesis and held off his Force Lightning. That really does not mean they're comparable in the force, merely those areas of combat. Jedi and Sith excel in different areas of the Force. Surik was talented in Control, hardly comparable in Alter. Traya has some of the greatest Sense feats we've seen in the Mythos, but she's not up there in Alter or Control. To suggest Yoda and Sidious have equal force powers because they were a match in Telekinesis and Lightning is flawed to say the least, again, an expanded comparison needs to be made.

It was wise to attempt to supplant Krayt in that post. I'll allow it

Easy mistake to make, just thought I'd clarify

/5char

And you call Beni out for his grammar....

I've got Valkorion around ROTJ Sidious level, personally. I question why the **** it's relevant. To suggest that Valkorion < ROTS Sidious therefore he's below Yoda is ludicrous. If you're going to opt for a feat based thread then you should stick to that, instead of letting Yoda hide behind the fact he's often considered a peer of Sidious as of ROTS. A comparison against Sidious is irrelevant if we don't place Valkorion above DE Sidious since we're taking his strongest incarnation for this list. I suggest doing a comparison of Yoda and Valkorion in greater depth, and then addressing the motion that Yoda wasn't in his prime. Personally I used to entertain that notion, but I've been having second thoughts.

Valkorion > Yoda too tbh. And yeh I'd rather get this list over with so we can start on one that includes spirits and entities, or the Jedi and Sith specific list... I personally have Vader > Starkiller, but we need Revan above them both IMO. And finally, Shaak survived a blaster bolt, Tutaminis'd lightsabers and ragdolled Starkiller with Kinetite just like Valkorion and Arcann, they're obviously the same tier

Fixed.

You vs Beni may be the best way forward, unless anyone else wishes to participate in the tournament still. I'll give everyone 3 days, as a deadline, before I ask Beni and Aurbere to make a decision as to what we do next.

Mace winning doesn't mean Sidious didn't throw it.

Actually in one of the insiders it's confirmed Sidious threw it.

Bumping, just due to how many people are posting threads that shouldn't be in this section

So we're looking to get this back on track, can anyone who is supposed to be competing now or next round please check in? I would also appreciate anyone who went out in previous rounds to shoot me a PM or notify us here that you're available, as we could be looking to you to fill in any spare slots we may have. Thanks for the patience as well, guys.

At least make it look like you haven't already decided, Beni Agreed with Silenceo, except I'd lean his argument even further towards Maul. In my opinion, Maul is considerably more skilled than Lumiya is, her LightWhip is her greatest advantage by far. I struggle to believe that in all of Maul's martial training (which was basically his life) he didn't encounter something similar. Especially given the fact he is of Dathomiri descent, this seems right up his alley. I think sans the element of surprise and the advantage her whip gives her, Lumiya takes it.

Actually.... "That had been the case with the Jedi Order. For two hundred years before the coming of Darth Sidious the power of the dark side had been gaining strength, and yet the Jedi had made only minimal efforts to thwart it. The Sith were pleased by the fact that the Jedi, too, had been allowed to grow so powerful, because, in the end, their sense of entitlement would blind them to what was occurring in their midst."

I'd like to preface this by saying this Dark Council Member was about to be solo'd by a nameless Bounty Hunter, admitting he stood no chance. But yes, yes she could. Not to mention it was Drahg's cybernetics that allowed him to do it, while Zannah could manage it with her own sorcery.

That's my boy

Nope.

/unsubs

Not sure what school you're at but that seemed like more than one word to me Well, in terms of round 1, Zannah's an underrated duelist. She's skilled, not anywhere near as skilled as many attempt to argue her to be, but she's strong and resilient. The Wrath simply isn't skilled enough to break through her barriers before slipping up, neither is Malgus (a drastically overrated duelist, for the record). Qel Droma however is a formidable and phenomenal blademaster, I don't see Zannah stacking up. However setting this on Ambria and allowing her sorcery really tips the balance in her favour, hugely. All she has to do is hold off her enemies with her defensive style long enough to eviscerate their minds or attack them with Dark Side Tendrils. It'll carry her inferior bladework through to even killing Anakin, but it won't save her against Vader in my opinion, he's too durable and a far superior duelist.

Dies to 3 in round 1, then to Vader in round 2.