Again, incorrect. You are arguing a divergence from the norm. Vitiate needed a ritual to pull off what he did on Nathema. We know Vitiate couldn't devour planets on a whim up until the time of his death at the hands of the Hero of Tython. You are stating he developed the skill or power to suddenly take whole planets apart without a Ritual, and therefore the burden of proof is on you.

Yep! Glad you can understand. (For those of you at home still confused, the argument that there's no concrete statement that it was a ritual, therefore it wasn't one, is the living definition of retarded)

No, it says that while rumors have existed, Ziost is the damn Imperial Capital and thus was seen by the entire galaxy. You're literally grasping at any tiny whisp of smoke to justify wanking Vitiate, it's getting a little pathetic. I'm all for having Valkorion over Yoda, but Ziost was a ritual and you seriously need to drop the argument and deal with it, because right now your entire argument for it not being a ritual is "I dunno, he got more powerful so probs wasn't ritual y'know cause reasons and ****"

Wrong. I'm referring to the fact the Opticron droids say something along the lines of "the ritual is prepared, the wrath must not discover". That presents two holes with your theory of it not being a ritual, one that it literally says "the ritual", and the other that the wrath must not discover. He already knew of Vitiate's plans at this point in time. Even if he didnt, as you've argued hundreds of times (let's not change stance here sweetheart) that Vitiate did not want to consume the galaxy during the Ziost incident. This leaves the only option being that Ziost was a ritual. Thanks for playing.

*sigh* Beni, Zoltan, you two continue to disappoint The Opticron (might have just made that name up, **** it) droids that followed the Wrath around in stealth actually confirm Vitiate's actions on Ziost were a ritual, and that it was being prepared weeks in advance, if not months.

We know his telekinesis was hindered slightly as he got older, and his connection to the force potentially withered. However Yoda's strength in the Force comes from his purity of soul, so to speak. Any inner Darkness would have faltered his strength. 200 years just happens to perfectly coincide with the Rise of the Banite Sith, war and corruption in the Republic. It stands to reason that Yoda's inner darkness grew, and his proficiency in the force fell. Sidious notes as much, and thinks that alone would allow him to take Yoda on as of The Clone Wars. His ordeal on Tython however rid him of said darkness, and according to Palpatine made him much stronger than expected. Ergo no inhibition in ROTS

I've been tempted, I just don't think I have the time

No we don't.

Speaking of Ti, guess it's time to throw that post up

Shaak Ti doesn't even feature (but K'kruhk does, god knows why) in the Clone Wars Campaign Guide. I'd question if anyone's actually surprised at this point, but whatever.

It was in google docs I was unaware my Internet had gone down because I had all the pages I needed open, then blam.

Had a huge reply, it got eaten by a power cut I'll have a post up by tomorrow ._.

Up to you, I'm pretty open. I also don't really mind who starts, I'll let you decide

Sure

Zoltan's right though, the best way of improving is simply to practice. I think I proved quite significantly after my tournament on ComicVine. Hell, I was joking about the 2v1, but if you don't feel comfortable debating solo, you could always partner up

Pfft. If it was Fisto vs Ti, you'd have to face me not Zoltan 2v1 anyone?

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Obviously just saving the time of actually asking for the quote.

Incorrect.

No, it's your. Your opinion, IE, the opinion that belongs to you.

Dies to Dooku due to lack of rest.

I frankly don't care about the control section, since I do believe Yoda surpasses ROTS Sidious in the realm of Valor as it is, lightsiders generally do, it's nothing surprising. I find your alter section altogether immensely lacking, and frankly pretty biased. For example, you claim Yoda won their bout via his Tutaminis. I question how a huge explosion that sent him flying across the Senate Chamber was anything other than a stalemate, perhaps you could enlighten us. I also want to know how Yoda stopping a Senate Pod is in any way an indication he is a superior Telekinetic to Sidious. It's abundantly clear that Sidious was not holding the pod in a Force Grip, since he doesn't react negatively when it stops whatsoever, and doesn't show any sign of attempting to push through. He'd thrown a pod at Yoda, and Yoda caught it. How does this display superiority at all? Also wondering why you're taking a fight Sidious has not long after almost dying as the most accurate display of them at their peak. Finally, your comparison completely and utterly ignores sense. Not sure how you're supposed to compare two Force Users without an entire sphere of Force Ability....

That is remotely similar, how exactly? I don't see how him effortlessly utilizing tutaminis to block a Lightsaber is the same thing. What on earth is that supposed to prove?

Please, tell me more about how pushing people back is in any way superior to destroying all life and hundreds of ships, along with a Force User on the levels of Vader. Sensed the fact Sidious existed, big whoop. He sensed nothing about Sidious, and even if he did, that would be Yoda's sense being greater than Sidious' ability to mask his presence. Sidious still has far greater sense feats. Rhyltran already has.