The very most dominant guild I have ever known on this server is <Game Genie> as Sindol suggested. They were completely unbeatable against any other team for a long period of time. They eventually merged, xferred and disappeared. Anyone to argue that would be delusional or just not aware of the server's history. <Guerrilla> did have its day in the sun at one time, as did <Zen>, <Hex>, <Project Mayhem>, <Shots Fired> and more recently <Good Talk>. There are many others as well and I apologize if I left any out.<Core> has always been a force to be reckoned with and of the great pvp guilds of old they are about the only left somewhat intact. Its a question of time period on the server and with all of the evolutions that there have been of the game. Right now,t here are several good smaller guilds kicking around now as well, but none that stand out as a truly dominant guild like we have seen in eh past. The pubs did "rule the roost" for a the past bit, but with several transfers to other servers as of late, I am not so sure there really is a dominant faction on the Ebon hawk at the moment.

Thanks for the post........I'm just not sure of the intent is all. Are you looking for critiques or pointers on your gameplay, or was this purely to direct people to your youtube site?

You need to RE them to learn the schematics.

I made it in from camp and managed to roll some WZs last night. Shout out to the operative last night that our pub group found was sniping people throughout an entire huttball match: His team lost............

Whiskey be out at camp for most of this month so i won't be around much til September. I wanted to give a shout to everyone on TEH pvping these days. The past few days I have seen old names and tags from the past, meaning folks are returning, lots of new faces and tags which include some skilled players. Imp side have been stepping up more lately and I have been in some real quality matches the past few nights. (Tips hat) cheers to y'all from the dark jungles of northern Canada!

Some good games last night. I was on my Mando for a few hours and came up against you guys several times. The only match we lost though all evening was a stalemate VS. you guys must have been queuing more earlier in the evening to get that win streak There were a handful of hard hitting snipers last night that hurt when they could coordinate attacks.

OP has no idea at all what a toxic community is in my opinion. As others have already stated, TEH has one of the, if not the least toxic community in this game. Try some of the other servers and you will come to the same conclusion very quickly.

Not sure I agree with Flavius either tbh. I would argue that Pubside generally dominates the midbie bracket because there are some good guilds rolling premades in the bracket regularly, but 60s is very hit and miss depending on when you are playing and who is playing at the time. I wouldnt say 60s is dominated by either faction on the server atm.

Whats this about cookies? Details m8. Chocolate chip? Oatmeal Raisin? Double Fudge?

I'm in total agreement. That's one nice thing though about TEH, as I eluded to previously this server is far less toxic that many others. There are a few reverses that cracks out their epeens because they can put up some numbers with an OP class/spec and a few that think they are good because they can win some single reg WZ with 7 of their mates and against a crew of pugs, etc etc but those occurrences are very few and far between in my experiences. Those folks don't tend to shoot their mouths off long either as they tend to get their comeupins within a few WZs;)

That deserves a bag o' popcorn and a beer. (Canadian beer of course). This thread just picked up a notch.

I didn't mean pvpers group up exclusively. I only was speaking in general terms. I often solo queue as well. I think you will see some folks back come 3.3 and a definite game revival when the expansion drops. May be only for a short time, but people will be back to check it out. Guerrilla has a handful back playing. Usually only one or two of us, but the past week or so we have had groups up to 4. Real talk is around as well. Just not in numbers either. Both guilds have toons pub side, so playing both factions.

Agreed for the most part. You are getting bad draws. Regardless of which faction you are queuing, it has a lot to do with how you are queuing too. At 60 it's generally the same folks; depends on who is queuing, what faction, when. All the things others have stated already. For midbies, it has a bit to do with whether you are queuing solo or in a group too. I am playing some midbies both factions. If I queue solo, I end up with people and guilds I have never heard of and usually get facerolled because most "pvpers" tend to queue midbies as a group. When I queue as part of a 4some, I notice we usually get paired with another 4some and are the ones doing the face rolling. So it's quite often 8 random folks rolling against a super queue or at least 2 x 4 group queue. I hope that all made sense.

Meh, you know what, the average player on TEH is just as good as the average player on any other server. In some cases, I would say it's fair to state the average talent is actually better here than some of the others. The main difference being that the flavour on pvp servers is to ignore objectives and just Deathmatch. Annoying if you are an objective- based player. The only area I concur with you guys is in the top end. No question that the top guilds of the pvp servers are superior to any of the top guilds around here. Clear case of the grass not always being greener on the other side. Some folks move just for a change of scenery; others because they feel TEH sucks. I have played on other servers just like many of you have. I redirected my focus back not for any other reason than I like the generally non- toxic environment of TEH and I missed the folks on this server.

True enough. There are a handful of republic rooted, pvp guilds out there. <the core> and <republic> would come to mind for sure. Khryn is partially correct though. Between imperial rerolls, many people leaving the game and an influx of new folks to the server from POT5, bastion, etc. the tides have significantly turned the past while. Keep in mind that it wasn't much more than a year ago that I posted a thread here indicating that republic faction pvp was dying. That was based on observations and some really good conversations I had with Sevrin. Both <core> and <republic> were active at that time. I don't think khryn was questioning the skill or abilities of historically republic players, but it is a different world now from a year or so ago, no question.

I was only in the mix for a couple of WZs myself on my sage. It was pretty late. There were some pub v pub as well. I came across some "special snowflakes" from Imp side in one novare coast though. Tough match. Good focus gang....... You know who you are:p

Holy Hell folks. This thread has not been touched since February lads and ladies. Gonna blow the dust off the thread and see if we cant get it rolling again. Gonna give a shout out to <Resolve> on Pub side. Been with members of that guild lots lately in midbies and cannot recall a loss in that bracket in recent history. They have a great sage healer and some deeps that know how to peel for you. Strong objective play ftw every time. Also gonna shout out to <Midbracket Tryhards> as well pub side. Only ever 3-4 of them around, but if they are, you better hope that they are on your team.

Ah, you are Vacir, Kandel. Been playing with and against you lots in midbies on my Commando as of late. GGs. With a lot of poor deeps in the bracket, you stand out when you arent healing.

Zen is definitely one of the all-time greats. Too few around too count them really now though. If you are going to go there you also need to include ShotsFired in their prime, Guerrilla in their prime, Hex in their prime, Project Mayhem in their prime and not any honest person on this server will admit that the very best ever to roam the ebon hawk was Game Genie. Again, in their prime. Zen and Guerrilla troops will tell you that at the time, none of them could touch GG either. If they say otherwise, they be lying to ya. Different time now though and many changes of the guard. I don't think there is a dominant force in TEH currently. It changes day to day and with no group ranked to speak of, impossible to judge.

Entertaining one to say the least. As for the topic of the thread..........it isn't even an easy question to answer. So many small 3-8 man pvp guilds these days. Some of them with top notch players, while others are awful. Most roam back and forth between factions too on a daily basis, and so many seem to change guild tags as often as they change their underwear:eek:

I make all the battlemaster gear too on my sorc. I usually have at least 1 chest piece and 1 lower robe on GTN. My sorcs name is Elethan, so feel free to look him up or any of my Whiskey toons. I can get ha whatever you need for the forcemaster or mystic set

Although I have been on TEH since the merge from sanctum of the exalted, I recently spent some time on Bastion as did several other folks from this server. I have always said and still maintain that this server community is by far the best. There are better raiders and better pvpers elsewhere with a doubt, but TEH does have some very good and accomplished guilds in both those disciplines. I was splitting my time between servers but myself am back here full time and glad I made that decision.

I have been on some teams with Nerd on Nerd pubside in midbies the past few days. Seem like a quality bunch of pvpers for sure. I just wanted to toss that out there in case anyone was considering joining y'all.

I havent been playing much the past few weeks; on somewhat of a break you could say. I have been playing a bit though on Bastion and Crinn, for what its worth, I totally get what you are saying but the truth of the matter is that the other servers are in the same boat. Its not behavior isolated to TEH. Playing a bit of 2XP this weekend to level my operative on Bastion. Every WZ has like 4-5 sorcs/sages on each team and because they were so OP before the nerf, these guys are all sitting at like level 55-59. Guess what? Not one of them can do anything but spam force storm even after the nerf because thats how they learned to play their class. I am rolling concealment on this op instead of heals and even when I poop out of stealth and get my blades going, they don't bubble, they don't knockback, they don't even try to stun me and speed away most of the time. They plant themselves, self heal and spam force storm on top of themselves. Its all they know how to do. Bioware, in all its wit has produced a new generation of pvpers that have no idea how to play the game. They spam their OP ability(ies) and look great n the end because they lead the group in damage. They lost the WZ 100-0, but had 500k more damage than the next guy. Its kind of funny. Anyways, to defend TEH pvp community, its a global issue, common to all servers in my opinion. . Just wanted to throw that out there.

I'm down as well. I actually need the fleet datacron on 3 toons, provided there is room for me to roll multi toons. Thanks for setting this up Pax.