What is your response to how clearly it's a majority of the assassin/shadow community that vastly unhappy with what we know and what you admitted deception has to offer to their teams in team play objective pvp. Are they're any plans or at least some brain storming going on that would help make deception a more viable option in rwz or even in pvp in general

Keep flooding the Q&A make them hear us!!

For those who feel like I do that this spec needs some help, the time is now. Join me on the thread for next weeks Q&A and post there and make our suffering heard. Don't sit in silence and suffer.

For those who feel like I do that this spec needs some help, the time is now. Join me on the thread for next weeks Q&A and post there and make our suffering heard. Don't sit in silence and suffer.

How's this build? 1/23/17 http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#601f0cRrMZhGbRkhMbzZ0z.2

I would like to be able to use one side of the double side lightsaber like Darth maul did on tatoonine when he fought qui gon jin

Just my thoughts... 1. Increase the dmg of VS and change the animation of it so it's less recognizable making us less predictable from a visual perspective. 2. Give all three specs the same utility ability such as force pull or something, but by doing that they'd have to give something in return for darkness. ( this is more for group utility in pvp) 3. Give us the talent to inc WP like the sorcs got. As for those who say deception is force starved. There's a reason for that. This spec at the moment is more like a sprinter rather than a marathon runner so to speak. So better force consumption would be nice but not necessary IMO. I never really have problems with my force.

ive played all kc spec and the arika spec aswell. I have not played madness tho, simply cuz it doesnt suit my playstyle. but i found all specs have their own good things and bad things... its just saying that i agree that KC has more things going for it than agaisnt it and that infil/deception is more 50/50 at best. But someone said it in another thread, its really depends on your playstyle and ur tactics used in wz, tank sins have their role where balance and infiltration specs have their own roles to play. To try and argue that a infiltration spec is better than what a KC provides to the team is ludicrous. However its not impossible to for infiltration to provide its own utility to the team. With the coming nerf to relics and adrenals i think ppl are over reacting to what is gonna actually happen just as they did when 1.2 came out for the nerf on biochem, ppl kept saying it was no longer viable and guess what it still was. I believe the same will happen here and even if i wrong which is a possibility, its not like its only us feeling the nerf as other dps classes and healers will feel it too as they depend on them too for those really nasty situations, so nothing really changed cept that ppl wont see big numbers anymore and the ttk goes up. As i said in the beginning ive played most specs and i found myself ending up with infiltration, and still providing good utility to my team, properly played good enuf survivability and more than enuf dps for when i needed it. Trying to compare KC to infiltration playin the role of KC, of course KC will come on top. It all depends on what you want to bring to the table. I agree most serious ppl will be KC in rated, and alot of ppl who play infiltration will be forced to go KC as well. But im sure you'll see very good teams out there with infiltration shadows on their team. I think its gonna come down to team makeup and what ur team needs more. And for ppl to argue just take sent/mara for dps i can argue why not trooper/BH. To each his own.

to simply put it Darkness is easymode for anyone to play a sin. The survivability alone is what makes that spec so easy for ppl to play well that it doesn't take too much skill allowing even bad players to be good players, and yes it does provide good team utility, if that's what you want to bring to the table that's fine. Deception and Madness and their hybrid builds, is where imo "skill" really comes into play. If you can make those specs work and thrive then pat yourself on the back for not falling in line with everyone else and being unique. Just becuz a lot of ppl cant play these specs well and they die a lot doesn't mean they're not perfectly viable. Yes certain builds have their own pros and cons that makes them different, allowing some to be a bit better than the others. But imo no spec is incredibly better than the other. It really comes down to personal preference, skill and yes gear helps too.

deception right now isnt that good in pve, it shines more in pvp imo. Lots of ppl say that deception is only good when using recklessness, relics, adrenals and when those are on cd the spec looses alot of dps. Which i agree with to an extent. If you would like to stay with the deception feel and playstyle and u can try the arika build (0/13/28) . Now i havent tested this build personally in PVE so i dont know how well it can do. But if u do try it in pve let me know if its good or not. Or perhaps maybe the playstyle of the assassin just doesnt suite ur personal playstyle and making another char could be another option u could look into if you become really disappointed in ur sin. I personally play 2/31/8 in both pve and pvp and i do just fine( not amazingly in pve but decent enuf) . If you find that none of what im saying improves your overall dps perhaps it was simply a rotation issue which i think what might actually be your problem cuz all specs are capable of doing good dps in pvp and pve if properly geared, and right rotations used. Should take the time to look at shinarika's guide videos. They will help you immensely.

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Im one of those diehard deception players and I would like to hear any feedback from infiltration or deception guys out there on how bad the nerf to adrenals and on use relics actually affects us. I'm guessing a decrease in burst dps but a somewhat of an increase in sustained dps. Can anyone confirm this and add any other input that they have noticed.

ur right when it came to the "shadow" changes that infiltration spec was not affected. However with the nerf to relics and adrenals not being able to be used in WZ aside from the expertise adrenal (only one i know that can be used as far as to my knowledge) will affect our burst capabilities. To what degree i have no idea. Perhaps it wont be that bad as long as ur in good gear? I dont have answers to those questions as i dont play on the PTS. Perhaps someone who is playing infiltration on the pts can share how bad those changes affect us infiltration/deception guys.

if your having problems killing healers, the next best thing you can do is interrupt their heals as much as possible so all they cant be any help to their teams. Most time in pugs, ppl seem to go after the ball carrier in huttball and will just let the healers stand and heal him. So instead all you can do if u cant kill the healer(s) is just to annoy the crap out of them and make them useless. Letting them heal themselves is ok, just as long as ur stopping them from healing their teammates. In the end this strategy has the same result as killing them as long as u can keep ontop of ur interrupts.

Just bored, and started wondering what most ppl are running. I know most r tanksins, but was wondering how many serious deception or madness sins we got out there, post your spec u use the most. See how long we can keep this going. Im deception - 2/31/8

hey shin, what are the stats for infiltration spec should i be going for? im currently 1642 wp, 1212 expertise 579 power, 99.25% and 29.31 fully buffed.

in 1.3 will there be anything being implemented to solve the low population on servers for those who want to transfer to more populated servers?

Im a Conqueror deception assassin so my answer will be more for pvp, and i remember while i was lvling that ya khem does suck, and when u gtet xalek its not much better. As a dps spec its just better for us to either have another dps companion (for your easy situations) and when u get talos, i used him pretty much the rest of the time. pvping most def pays off as u lvl. Not only are you gaining valor lvls needed to wear the orange critted BM and WH gear. And as you gain lvl and new moves and become better at playing deception, once you hit 50 you'll find yourself yes squishy when u find yourself being ganged up on. But in 1v1 situations, properly played there is no class out there that will give any trouble aside from a few tanks. Even in 2v1 deception can still shine and can still come out on top as the victor

can you post the number for deception spec in which we should be shooting for when it comes to crit, surge, power etc?

i agree with all of u that deception pve needs a bigger buff. But look at the three specs, u got darkness (tanking), deception (imo more for pvp) and then madness (which is dots, and come on when has dots not been good in pve no matter what game your playing). Although i wouldnt agree with that were that bad either. Now im an avid pvper over being pve type guy so my pve gear isnt the best, its just columi and rakata but i still pull threat from our tanks and hes in all rakata and black hole gear. But you can argue well maybe the tank sucks, and thats a possibilty too. However i believe its what u make of it. If you think you are not doing enuf dmg, then switch out ur mods for more power, get as much of it as u can. I run using the pvp chain shock spec(only cuz i dont wanna spend a fortune everytime i switch specs) but our spec wasnt designed to do sustained dps. Were meant to be burst, so ya your overall dps will be lower than most but when we go thru our burst times, look at the parser then and be amazed at what ur pulling. In the end you play with what you like the most, if u like deception play deception, and same goes for madness. One person (for the most part) wont determine the end result of whether you defeat a boss or not, its a team effort for a reason. So try not to worry bout it and just have fun with you class.

Like many of you out there, i have been wondering with the new patch out what be the best way to achieve BiS stats for pvp purposes. So if you guys could be so kind as to share your what mods, enhancements, you switched out from where to where. And if you happen to know the BiS stats ppl should be shooting for ( i just care about hearing what i need to get for deception but feel free to post for the other 2 as well) that would be awesome. I currently run a deception sin using chain shock spec and using full stalker gear from BM and WH gear. Ive read that we should switch out some mods for the ones in force master gear set. So hearing what stat numbers i should be going for would be awesome!

i dont know much about sorcs and their ****, put to say the assassin is underpowered is retarded, i play deception spec and rank 65, i have no problem dealing with any class, perhaps u guys aint doing this **** right. Ppl really need to learn how to play a class first before going out and saying its underpowered just cuz u cant do **** with them. I'll admit that i find our class is really gear dependant, so just get some good gear and u'll be fine.