i see you're guys point, i agree with it.

So im very much an avid full deception player, and was thinking about it how will being full deception be any good. Then i thought bout the surging charge effect and how they changed VS. So my thought was in order to make this spec work your gonna have to play along with how VS works now. So i came up with 8/36/2 picking up thrashing blades, charged mastery and electric execution (now when fully talented buffs 18% vice 9%) in darkness and putting the remaining 2 in exploitative strikes in madness. Now making the surging charge hit even more, plus at a faster rate with being full deception.Thoughts?

kinda thinking about this while i wait for pts to download, with the nerf to discharge, will going full deception be only way to keep the static charges coming in fast since now we depend on those to even use discharge, at least as regularly as we do now. By the time i have discharge back, i tend to have 4-5 stacks of static already waiting. So im thinking going wakajinn, discharge could take a hit depending on how fast or slow we get those static charges, both in dmg and how often we can use it

i dont feel the wakajinn spec will take much of a hit, maybe not even full deception, who knows. right now this is all theorycrafting till ppl like waka, arika and myself come back with some hard evidense. We will keep you updated.

with the patch notes for 2.0 out, i would have to say that wakajinn spec will be vastly superior to full deception due to VS redesign. I'll be sure to test out the dmg output to the new VS once it goes live. But id wager that wakajinn will come out on top for sure this time what are your guys thoughts

Hell I'll throw in some exotech stims for a month too if you can beat waka in a best of seven!!

Bumping. Don't feel like going pages back to find this

Perhaps you should read over my post again before you open your mouth. You forgot a couple of steps between spike and crushing darkness...LIKE LOW SLASH. That is what you use to setup for Crushing darkness. And if they break the CC on low slash, you obviously will not use crushing darkness for the reason you pointed out. However either they break it and congratulations u just forced your opponent to use his cc breaker early in the fight, now the fight is in your hands. OR they let you cast crushing darkness and youve done some nice damage without even using your BIG hitters!! EITHER WAY ITS A WIN WIN SITUATION. If you dont like my strat, dont use it, however you prefer using your burst straight up and then ur left fighting w/o CD's as with my strat, ur already doing good dmg w/o having to use your cd's and only thing you wasted is a low slash which is on a 15 sec cool down, so by the time you get done with ur rotation and need it again its already up. However like everyone already agrees on your opener is very situational, use what u think is best

This is the opener I use and I find it the most usefull opener than any already posted. Now when ur fighting scrubs who just playing suck using an opener that's straight forward as the one being posted will work. However when ur fighting really skilled players that tactic just won't work all the time. Best strat I've found in any 1v1 situations is spike-maul- low slash- crushing darkness- then from here you would go into ur normal rotation. Now the reasoning. Reason why I use spike is for 2 main reasons. 1) dumb players will use cc breaker on this and 2) gives us a chance to proc maul for big dmg. Maul will be next used whether it process or not cuz we have lots of force regen at this point worrying about it being procd doesn't matter here to much. Low slash next to force one of 2 things, either they're gonna see you casting crushing darkness and be like OMG he's gonna hit me with that and they'll blow their cc breaker and interrupt you which is good for you cuz now you have ghe upper hand. Or they'll let you finish the cast and now they take a decent dmg that places a dot on them too. Worst case scenario is ur fighting a class like an op or another sin that can cleanse the dot. Yes true they can however remember you just hit them with spike, maul procd or not low slash and the initial hit of crushing darkness. All of this combined you've already done a good amount of dmg to your opponent and they have yet to do anything back to you yet. And best part is you still have yet to use ur strongest moves for that massive dmg we deception sins love to do. Now of course you can't use this all the time like when ur in a big group fight where you got multiple people attacking you. But just be aware of what's going around you at all times and this strat is not too hard to use even when in the fray of things Sorry for any grammer mistakes as I wrote this on my phone while waiting 4 hours at the ER to be seen

You can prolly dc my team as I'm currently at the ER for my son so I def won't be able to come. And I know wolf was on a day or so ago but I who knows when we both can be on at same time as we both have lots of things going on in our lives that require our attention. So Good luck to the advancing team.

This is the opener I use and I find it the most usefull opener than any already posted. Now when ur fighting scrubs who just playing suck using an opener that's straight forward as the one being posted will work. However when ur fighting really skilled players that tactic just won't work all the time. Best strat I've found in any 1v1 situations is spike-maul- low slash- crushing darkness- then from here you would go into ur normal rotation. Now the reasoning. Reason why I use spike is for 2 main reasons. 1) dumb players will use cc breaker on this and 2) gives us a chance to proc maul for big dmg. Maul will be next used whether it process or not cuz we have lots of force regen at this point worrying about it being procd doesn't matter here to much. Low slash next to force one of 2 things, either they're gonna see you casting crushing darkness and be like OMG he's gonna hit me with that and they'll blow their cc breaker and interrupt you which is good for you cuz now you have ghe upper hand. Or they'll let you finish the cast and now they take a decent dmg that places a dot on them too. Worst case scenario is ur fighting a class like an op or another sin that can cleanse the dot. Yes true they can however remember you just hit them with spike, maul procd or not low slash and the initial hit of crushing darkness. All of this combined you've already done a good amount of dmg to your opponent and they have yet to do anything back to you yet. And best part is you still have yet to use ur strongest moves for that massive dmg we deception sins love to do. Now of course you can't use this all the time like when ur in a big group fight where you got multiple people attacking you. But just be aware of what's going around you at all times and this strat is not too hard to use even when in the fray of things

Team Deft's sister is hawt will prolly have to forfeit as my partner wolfslashfox has been MIA for awhile now. I have no idea where he is prolly uit game i think.

I remember most of you guys. I was Krow a deception assassin while I was on BV now my name is darkscythe. I've seen Death Star around but didn't know u we're quigon jin and juice. Pretty kool how u keep running into familiar faces.

Time to get this thread to come back HE'S ALIVE, and LOVED BY ALL Welcome back RYRE'S FANPAGE...lol

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Darkscythe is victorious against Winz 2-0. Witnesses: Scope7 Sharkyo Alue Wolfslashfox Majinn

i'll join

Im getting pretty bad lag spikes. Ive already reseted my router and restarted my computer and still lagging. Like my ms is fluctuating from being at its normal of 65ish then soars to 580ms and even 790ms. Is anyone else getting this too?

First round fought against me and Rhaffus, i won 2-0. Pyratech from gods and twisted from nothings personal were witnesses.

pyratech is powertech from gods

RYRE fan page should be bumped so /bump

IMO i go for the extra proc on recklessness, with the way our force regen is now, theres no need to have more than 100. i hardly run out of force unless im fighting an extremly long battle where i cant just stealth w/o having to use force cloak. In regards to maul, you still really want to use it only when it procs, however you can get lucky and get a good 5k hit on it by just criting.

After hearing what the devs envisioned us deception assassins in last weeks Q&A. The community for the class felt that even the way u thought them to be we still can't even bring that to the table. We suggest u pay more attention to what the community is telling that is missing or could make the spec better rather than saying "L2P" which is rather insulting to say after all the proof that has been put in threads proving that deception isn't what it needs to be to be the hit and run lonewolf guy. Visit our class forums more often and hear what we are saying and plz implement a change rather sooner than 1.4. Waiting almost 6 months in silence hoping to see you guys take care of this spec only to see u be neglectful of it and indirectly nerf the crap out of when u took burst out of pvp in 1.3.

If you feel so empty So used up, so let down If you feel so angry, so ripped off, so stepped on Your not the only one refusing to back down Your not the only one, so get it oooonnnn, let's start a riot!! I'm tired of sitting by waiting for them to hear us or someone to make the first stand. If your not happy with the post from this weeks Q&A and demand that they make changes to deception/infiltration not to make them an OP spec but to make them equally viable in team play objective based pvp!! Then make your voice heard here AND on this weeks Q&A thread and every week after till we are heard. Post any proof you all have that will aid in our quest. I aim to have so many ppl reply on this thread that they are forced to create another one for this one. Help me make us heard I call apon all my fellow assassins and shadows to help us in our time of need. So plz help me out, throw in a comment or 2 or just simply bump it up.

If you feel so empty So used up, so let down If you feel so angry, so ripped off, so stepped on Your not the only one refusing to back down Your not the only one, so get it oooonnnn, let's start a riot!! I'm tired of sitting by waiting for them to hear us or someone to make the first stand. If your not happy with the post from this weeks Q&A and demand that they make changes to deception/infiltration not to make them an OP spec but to make them equally viable in team play objective based pvp!! Then make your voice heard here AND on this weeks Q&A thread and every week after till we are heard. Post any proof you all have that will aid in our quest. I aim to have so many ppl reply on this thread that they are forced to create another one for this one. Help me make us heard I call apon all my fellow assassins and shadows to help us in our time of need. So plz help me out, throw in a comment or 2 or just simply bump it up.