i didnt read your whole point, but what i can say about what i did read is that, after this war, up to the ruusaan reformation, jedi were politicians quite often. in fact, until the chancellor that passed the ruusaan reformaton, the supreme chancelor had only been jedi for what? 300 years? something like that

non force user classes are exceptionally skilled player force user classes are the best of all the force users which is stronger? oversized glowsticks and magic, or skills, luck, and tech? personally i prefer oversized glowsticks and magic on pub side, and the other on imp side, just because i can never really comit to playing a sith, but i can comit to playing an operate who hates sith about as much as she does jedi, and can take em both down easily enough, or a bh whos just in it for the money, and because he knows that hes rare among mercenaries, in that if hes sent after you, he miht be merciful, but if anyone else from the empire is, no way in hell your getting anything close to mercy edit: oh and im a fencer irl and i always love swords or magic to guns, which is why i kinda like the force users and an operative with all their dagger stuff. in the end though, i do go back to pub side because i just cant really devote myself to anyone allied with the empire

just my thoughts on it, prob necroing too, never check, may have even been resolved, if so oh well, i doubt ill delete this post anywyas I think you prob should wait for 5 stacks before discharge, as that way you can continue to go on with your reg rotation, and if in pvp, have even more burst, as well as not interrupting your regular rotation with a discharge that is weaker than it could be. just my thoughts, havent tested it at all as my sin is only like level 28 or 29, doesnt have that talent yet edit: just read the post above me. i was way off if that math checks out, and i cant find any faults with it, so....just ignore this post(and necro i see now)............................

leeroy. leeroy jenkins, same as my mara, just with some accent in there somewhere. so much hate to savour, and it actually even kinda could be an actual star wars name

scoundrels suck in pvp? awesome! been trying to find a class that would be a challenge. seriously, all of the classes i have tried are all about the same, some may be a little better, but not much. even the merc everyone complains about wasnt too bad, another class could do it better, but i could still perform better than most people, just not as well as i would on another class. hmm just realised i didnt contribute anything to this thread, and even may have necroed(didnt check)...hmm... well, just stick to it? it is the most fun class to play, at least at level 25. and balance is always changing...dont worry, im sure eventually people will be crying for us to be nerfed again, then after they do that, they will finally realise they went too far, and end up putting us back better than we were before the 1st nerf.

well, my sin is only 24, but she does great in pvp so far. obviously yes its 1-49 pvp where there are a bunch of noobs to the game, but not all are, and i can easily 1v1 or even 1v2 people much higher level than me, and i feel very satisfied with the damage and survivability so far. pretty squishy if targeted, but thats why you try to target people low on health so you can get in, stealth out, and be safe and have your regen buff up when you head in again.

go mara if you plan to stick with. when the inevitable nerf bat comes, most of the people who rolled it for opness will quit it, and what are left are those that actually like the class, and are likely somewhat decent at it, and a few bads leftover who dont have another 50. those people who do stick with it tho will be respected(by me and a few guildies at least).

well, this is an old thread but someone else might need help with a decision in the future, so here goes: just hit level 42 and started act 3 last night. prologue is okay, feels a little uninspired, but i can see it. act 1 is one of the better act 1s, most others are basically a galactic scavenger hunt(especially smuggler. smuggler prologue is good, but then the story takes a real nose dive until the end of act 1), whereas you really feel like a bh in the bh story. act 2 basically feels like an extension of act 1, just some more bounties. then the end of act 2....lets just say i no longer have those wishes that i had gone republic instead of empire. republic really pissed me off there. act 3 is pretty epic and quite emotionally inspired. i really feel like i have a reason for helping the empire now other than credits.

you dont seem to understand...you dont argue when someone says that your class is worse than another. you let them continue, and even support them. this is how your class gets buffed, needed or not. im prob necroing idc. ops are fine if well played in pvp right now, but they arent as good as some other classes, but they can still do fine even in rateds with a good player and a good team.

/sigh, hes right. my only problem with the game. in other games i liked playing tanks in pvp, because even if pvp wasnt really designed for it, i could still be really annoying and harass nodes and such, and with a healer be extremely annoying and hard to kill. in swtor the tanks feel...like...dps...except with worse damage......being a tank in swtor feels like im just the guy that was randomly chosen to take all the damage. my job is not to mitigate the damage, its to take it and let the healer worry about that, just make sure mobs are attacking me, whereas in other games a tank feels like its a tank because it can take the damage better and so is chosen to take the damage for everyone else. anyone else have 2 cents to add? id like some more input as well, why im bumping an old thread. im trying to hold on with hope that my only choices are not just healer and dps, and that i can be a proper meat shield with an ability to not lose too much meat if that makes sense...

aha, but what will you do when vig gets a buff the same patch maras and pts get a nerf! then what! does it matter if its viable right now? balance is always changing. if its not, it will be. if it is, then just go do it. if you still want to know, yes it is. its not one of the best at the time, but it works well enough. i find it more fun to play than many of the ones that are better, so i will play it, and eventually i will be rewarded, just like those maras who stuck through being underpowered early on have been.

ravage buff was really needed. its prob both maras and juggs of any specs hardest hitter(other than smash spec), and it was basically useless before. half the time you would be rooted but doing no damage with the animation. other times it would get interrupted. maras got a slight buff but nothing too major. no, the real problem is that they nerfed a large amount of other classes to oblivion. thats not to say a skilled player wont do well with them, its just much more work, and they would do better with another class

ARISE! ARISE! but does it seriously matter? its one thing to do it with discussions about say pvp balance. its another to do it with just a sort of lore debate, respark it up. oh, and i am proud to say, that i have necroed many threads abotu such things as pvp balance. MWAHAHAHA

the empire itself as it is at this point is evil. but an empire itself isnt. the empire could be changed, as is what a lightside warrior or inquisitor is attempting to do(or to an extent some of the ls agent endings). the republic itself is not evil, though many running are pretty much evil. the republic could be changed to be evil, though it would be slightly more difficult. there are many individuals in both who are or arent evil. i personally like playing lightside on all my characters empire or republic. however, it kind of feels more rewarding, as playing a lightside sith, if someone really pisses you off you dont feel like your gonna get chastised for killing them. in fact people will probably like you more if you do. someone mentioned the D&D alignments in an earlier post, and that is exactly how i view sith vs jedi, if not republic vs empire. sith are more chaotic, which tends to be closer to evil, though is not necessarily evil. the jedi tend to be highly lawful, which is often closer to "good" but as shown in say the sith warrior story, not all jedi are good. Personally, i love playing my chaotic good sith warrior who uses his emotions to strengthen him(including compassion and love), and doesnt go around killing people, tries to spare his enemies if he has no big reason not to, but if they really piss him off, then he has no quarrels with killing them either, though it takes quite a bit of provocation.

canon wise the dark side is evil. there is no lightside or darkside, there is only the force, which in its natural state, is lightside, so you could say there is a lightside, but the dark side is merely a perversion of the force, making it do your will instead of pursuing the will of the force. i dont necessarily agree with this, as i dont agree with much of what lucas does, but thats how it is, its why in the end the republic and jedi win. they do in the canon ending of kotor, they do in the movies, they do at the end of the star wars timeline as we know. thats just how lucas made it, good wins. and according to lucas, the lightside is good. doesnt mean someone who uses the darkside cant be good, its just kinda corrupting, and its very nature is...well, not good, so its a lot rarer to find this. which is why i like playing one so much. that and to piss off lucas. i love pissing off lucas. hes such a hypocrite. once he said that it was monstrous to go back and change literature or films....yeah...he said it...and then he...yea....

well, I play all my characters lightside sith, republic, or otherwise(i.e: Bhs/smuggs), just because i hate being a total douchebag. Sometimes I prefer playing a stoic jedi who, while they do have emotion, do their best to keep away from it, as in negotiations and in battle alike you must stay focused and not let emotions such as anger cloud your actions and make you, while possibly stronger, clumsier and open to attack. sometimes i get pissed of and ragequit on my guardian and go to my lightside mara where i feel like my passionate hate, fear, and, as a lightside, even compassion, and love, will strengthen me. if they strengthen me to kill my enemy, so what if i left myself open after all? then sometimes im just like "f*** these hokey religions, give me a giant blaster cannon or a couple of pistols. overall, i view my sith as basically a jedi(well not a jedi really, but closer to that then a sith. not really that even...hes just not what you expect from a sith) except he embraces all his emotions, including love for his companions, hate for many of his fellow sith and what they do, and compassion for the lesser beings, and well, hes got big red tentacles on his face, and though he tries not to kill people, sometimes they just piss him off and deserve it. he may be lightside, but he still grew up in sith culture and you dont want to piss him off. he still feels the strong should rule the weak, which is why he doesnt defect(though if given the chance he might, but seeing as how i doubt that will ever happen, i had to figure some way so that his personality wouldnt have him wanting to defect). but story wise a light side sith, inquisitor or warrior, is basically just a sith who doesnt kill random people for fun and tries to convince the other sith not to. other than that, youll still feel like a jedi face smashing, genuinely sith, bad*****.

Meh I can't really argue with you because i know canon wise vader would even in the suit. i still dont have to like it. i think if someone were to redo the original trilogy with han shooting first and with better effects(as in the vader vs obi wan fight would be faster than 2 mph. seriously, irl, as it is now, i could have beaten both of them in a duel. i know its cause of special effects limitations, but thats why i think it should be redone.) And by that, i dont mean redone like the prequal fights because aside from darth mauls fight, those were pretty bad too, just faster. its not just vader vs revan where i say revan wins, its revan vs yoda, obi wan, luke, sidious, dooku, maul, etc. or meetra vs them, or bane vs them, or our characters in swtor vs them, or hell even some of the npcs in swtor, or even a lot of other EU characters im not thinking of right now. again, yes I know in canon any of them would beat...well, anyone in the EU. I admit that. But I don't have to like it. I guess its mainly my bias against the movies. i hate anything lucas lays his hands on. He should have made the original trilogy, then let someone else do the prequals, or at least should have left jar jar out of them. then when the movies were over with he should have let the EU be done by others.

i know this is an old thread but just for anyone new coming or leveling up the guardian having trouble with it--i find the easiest way to do this is to send kira in, have her use blade ward, then when she gets to about 50% jump in do as much damage as you can, when they get close to 20% try to chain stasis/push them, if they do the immune thing just stay away, but i was able to burn them down before they could. dont know about sents or focus/defense spec, onl vig spec.

lucas has never cared about the EU. anything that doesnt have to do with his movies/money he doesnt care about. something that does have to do with his movies is ensuring that all of the major characters of the movies are the most powerful to come along in around 25,000 years. all at the same time. quite a coincidence.

before robo-suit, i could see vader being more powerful(i dont like it at all, but I know its canon, and even though I think its stupid, ill give in.) As for cool though, vaders not cool at all. the only cool thing he has going for him is he has a cool suit that keeps him alive, and he was the first guy we ever saw choking someone with the force. Personally i was never even a fan of his suit either. id take revans armored robe and mask over vaders any day. As for GL...Jar Jar and the prequals...and the special edition...and now the blue ray edition...and the holiday special...and the clone wars series', and...well, nuff said...

there was a thread about that? was it in power or coolness? coolness revan wins without 2 seconds thought. power, according to lucas, vader is more powerful, but from everything i can find other than from lucas(been ignoring him since special edition), revan is way more powerful. maybe pre - robosuit he might be close but...

this thread really should be buried i agree. after I(was it me? i think so, but i dont even know any more) necroed it a while back i got like 5 emails a day from subbing to it. now out of nowhere the emails are coming back. if it keeps up ill end up having to unsub from this thread of many debates that never seem to end despite having an obvious winner. well i guess its not obvious at all, but it certainly is the winner...

well i think that the debate has mainly been settled with all but the true and uncompromising revanites(something i used to be, but im not completely uncompromising i guess since i finally gave in and now find meetra a better character overall, since to me her story is more mature and perhaps a little darker, than revans which is pretty much clasic star wars(well it was in kotor. now we know he fell to the darkside on his own at the end of the mando wars{for a good cause perhaps, but still} and did it on his own again after his imprisonment{again, for a good cause, but its still dark}, whereas meetra has always stayed true to the light(she made a couple pretty big mistakes following revan, but she did her best to make up for it, and never really fell to the darkside). however, on a side note, while my fav char used to be revan, and then meetra, now its teetering between qui-gon and mace windu(which is strange since i always hated the movies, and the prequals even more so. but i like those two characters out of them.) (i use a lot of parentheses{and sub parentheses} dont I?)

same thing happened to me on my 13 sent the other day in voidstar, except at low levels like that my sent hit almost 350k damage(prob closer to 300k, but it was over 300k so whatever, thats like the highest ive managed in lowbie wzs, and that was at level 13 so it kinda made me happy in the pants). on a more related note, at level 29(i swear 29-30 is taking me so long. i want overhead slash so badly) on my vig guard i average about 150k-200k damage with about 10-20k prot(maybe a little more if i focus a lot on stance dancing, but i usually save that just for healers getting focused, so thats mostly from throwing guards out on maras/snipes). Im quite pleased with it, and as i said, this is level 29, so i still dont even have overhead slash yet, much less plasma brand or MS proc(i cant wait for ms proc. i have a feeling it will be quite glorious in lowbie pvp).

i love necro threads...