Wrong use of the metaphor. We're the hamster. It's the carrot that we can't find.

Now I remember why I left. Well, not really. The game is a lot better than it was on release (last time I played). The disappointment then was intense. Now, after more than 3 years, it looks like it's heading in the right direction. Wanted to check it out. Doesn't look like that's going to happen for a little while longer.

This is an unfortunate welcome back to the game after 3 years. Hopefully not a normal event.

It looks nice, but it's still WoW with lightsabers and voice acting. Those of us who want something new will still be looking elsewhere.

Nope. The game was hyped as something original that would bring storytelling into an online environment. What I got was WoW with voiceovers and cutscenes. On to the next hyped up MMO, I guess. Maybe GW2 like everyone else looking for a new game to play.

Actually, no. More detailed explanation: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=120301 Not really. The last MMO to innovate the genre started making a billion a year.

Yet, my complaints don't relate to bugs or features, but to a lack of innovation or good design philosophy. Is there a link you can point me to for that one?

The concerns that are problems now were all over the forums for months in the beta forums. Also, the vast majority of the game was finished before testing even began. Blaming the testers of an MMO for a bad MMO is really shifting the blame for no reason.

No doubt that EA severely limits the creative freedom of Bioware, but I'm not so sure we can blame this fiasco entirely on EA.

I think you missed a core issue; this game doesn't appeal to the casual player who has been playing this type of game for the past 6+ years and is looking for something a little more innovative. It has nothing to do with the casual / hardcore divide, really, and more with the divide between old school MMO players and those introduced to the genre more recently.

Hey, not everyone registered immediately.

Maybe in the future, when SWTOR comes into its own rather than trying to live in the glory days of 2007.

It is funny. I signed up here 3 years ago and preordered last July, but I'm not going to be a Founder because, in the end, that's just a marketing gimmick. Then again, what does it matter whether or not you get a title unless you plan to come back?

It's entirely possible if you make a game based on an outdated version of WoW. No paradox needed!

I would say that story driven games take much longer to implement. After all, someone has to write the story and get it all put into a consistent setting or else you end up with meaningless fetch and kill quests that don't serve to... oh... ... oooohhhhh...

The reason I unsubscribed is because I was tired of this game years before it hit the shelves.

Good, nobody else will be. Also, I sympathize with you. Bioware (since the incursion by EA) has gone downhill. Still, Mass Effect 3 might not be worth passing up. It might be the last good game the company ever produces...

That is both cynical and correct.

EA pulled their support for SOPA.

Nope, I still had to type it in manually.

My wife and I both had to type the address in manually because there was no button. Not everyone has access to it.

I sympathize with the guild, honestly. It's incredible how much vitriol there is on these forums. Yes, there are a lot of disappointed customers. We'll be gone by tomorrow, though, and the forums can all be yours.

Unsubscribing will not make the game better. Then again, neither will subscribing. The only people who can make the game better (or worse) are at Bioware Austin (and perhaps EA). We have no control over the creativity of these people. I don't see what this is an argument for. Should we buy products in the hope that one day they will get better? What message does that send to a company? What kind of product will that leave the consumer? Don't assume that keeping your subscription is going to fix bugs, add features, or create content. All it does is show support for the product that exists today. Nothing more, nothing less.

I'm with the OP, but I think you should pay for the collector's edition of the game and pay for at least 6 months of game time, buy a custom rig for the game, including a gaming mouse and keyboard, then learn how to model, uvmap, rig, and animate models, texture, bake those textures, script, add particle effects, camera effects, lightmap, bitmap, and publish a $500 million dollar MMO before judging SWTOR. Anyone else is a troll.

I'm pretty sure that was the white zone.